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Old 03-13-2003, 06:35 PM   #31
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Has your friend been to the 1/4 mile track before? How can you compare? Maybe they are differently experienced drivers? Take a 328 to the track then a lude with the same driver, and lets see what is faster. Thats the only way you can tell.

Do you know anything about comparisons??? Honestly? You would compare anything, so it is in your favour. Do you know how to set up an experiment, so there are no other factors involved, to really compare two cars??

STFU bitch.
he hasnt been to a track..that was his first time...street racing is done all the time, the track not before that.

lets take ur car, he'll go again...after his 1st run he couldnt get enough
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Old 03-13-2003, 06:37 PM   #32
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he hasnt been to a track..that was his first time...street racing is done all the time, the track not before that.

lets take ur car, he'll go again...after his 1st run he couldnt get enough
So he is an active street racer then huh, and he ran the same time as wasabi? Then he should run with a 328 and he would beat his lude's time, if he has has equal experience with both cars
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Old 03-13-2003, 07:26 PM   #33
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So he is an active street racer then huh, and he ran the same time as wasabi? Then he should run with a 328 and he would beat his lude's time, if he has has equal experience with both cars
MP328 practices on his g-tech all the time, he ran same times, jus a lil better..the times are in his sig..
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Old 03-13-2003, 07:39 PM   #34
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preludes are garbage!!! I eat them alive with both of my cars!!!
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Old 03-13-2003, 09:26 PM   #35
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Ok, Rice_Lover, how about this:

mkgino 328is vs Prelude on a highway I won

SOLODOMATIC 325i vs Prelude, Soldo won

Bill Gates vs Prelude (his co-worker), Bill Gates won

-=[[f|L@pJ@cK=] 325is vs Prelude, -=[[f|L@pJ@cK=] won

That just gives you an idea. I still believe that the 328 is faster than the 200 hp lude stock vs. stock in the 1/4 mile. If I do ever take my car to Cayuga and run like a 15.7, it is because I have never been there/dont street race either, not because a lude is faster.

On the track?? Bye bye Mr. Lude

Someone PM, M328i and ask him, lets see what he says, I would like to hear his input.
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Old 03-13-2003, 09:30 PM   #36
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Ok, Rice_Lover, how about this:

mkgino 328is vs Prelude on a highway I won

SOLODOMATIC 325i vs Prelude, Soldo won

Bill Gates vs Prelude (his co-worker), Bill Gates won

-=[[f|L@pJ@cK=] 325is vs Prelude, -=[[f|L@pJ@cK=] won

That just gives you an idea. I still believe that the 328 is faster than the 200 hp lude stock vs. stock in the 1/4 mile. If I do ever take my car to Cayuga and run like a 15.7, it is because I have never been there/dont street race either, not because a lude is faster.

On the track?? Bye bye Mr. Lude

Someone PM, M328i and ask him, lets see what he says, I would like to hear his input.
ok, let me get one thing straight...i want YOU to race them, even wasabi. i dont care...but im asking you, because your the one who is always giving excuses...why cant you get it through to you we arent comparing magazine times with F1 drivers driving them....im comparing real life times, times ppl on OUR board have ran, and times my friend ran in his girl's car. i dont wanna see u get someone else to race your 328 against my friend...you are saying "bye bye lude" on the track, when you havent been to one...speak for yourself, you never can admit that YOU will loose on a track, or race, its always "the good drivers" you compare with. all im saying is, when you are proving me wrong...speak for yourself, i would for myself, but unfortunately...until the shannonville run i wont have ANY experience on the track. track driving is about a driver, not a car...you can take me in an M5 and GR8 RIDE in my dads celebrity wagon, and he will win.

btw Harvey..come to the meet this saturday, and ill tell bmwm5lover to come..we'll show him what "jap crap" is all about

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Old 03-13-2003, 09:40 PM   #37
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ok, let me get one thing straight...i want YOU to race them, even wasabi. i dont care...but im asking you, because your the one who is always giving excuses...why cant you get it through to you we arent comparing magazine times with F1 drivers driving them....im comparing real life times, times ppl on OUR board have ran, and times my friend ran in his girl's car. i dont wanna see u get someone else to race your 328 against my friend...
We have been arguing about weather a stock 328 is faster than a stock Prelude this whole time. Put someone in a 1988 VW GTI against me in the 1/4 mile and he will beat me. Thats because I can not race my car, plain and simple. I am trying to prove to you that the lude is not faster than a 328.

Weight is almost equal (100 pounds difference)
Gearing favours the 328
overall power output favours the 328 (hp more for lude but a lot more tq for the 328)

I dont see how it can be faster, sorry dude. Your magnificent VTEC aint gonna help you this time.
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Old 03-13-2003, 09:45 PM   #38
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We have been arguing about weather a stock 328 is faster than a stock Prelude this whole time. Put someone in a 1988 VW GTI against me in the 1/4 mile and he will beat me. Thats because I can not race my car, plain and simple. I am trying to prove to you that the lude is not faster than a 328.

Weight is almost equal (100 pounds difference)
Gearing favours the 328
overall power output favours the 328 (hp more for lude but a lot more tq for the 328)

I dont see how it can be faster, sorry dude. Your magnificent VTEC aint gonna help you this time.
look at the final drive too...the final drive on the prelude is MUCH higher, giving better accell...i was talking to wasabi about the 1/4mile thing...i explained to him (something thats impossible to do with u) why i think so, because he ran the same times as my friend!

VTEC cant help me now? wtf does that mean lol
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Old 03-13-2003, 09:47 PM   #39
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ok, let me get one thing straight...i want YOU to race them, even wasabi. i dont care...but im asking you, because your the one who is always giving excuses...why cant you get it through to you we arent comparing magazine times with F1 drivers driving them....im comparing real life times, times ppl on OUR board have ran, and times my friend ran in his girl's car. i dont wanna see u get someone else to race your 328 against my friend...you are saying "bye bye lude" on the track, when you havent been to one...speak for yourself, you never can admit that YOU will loose on a track, or race, its always "the good drivers" you compare with. all im saying is, when you are proving me wrong...speak for yourself, i would for myself, but unfortunately...until the shannonville run i wont have ANY experience on the track. track driving is about a driver, not a car...you can take me in an M5 and GR8 RIDE in my dads celebrity wagon, and he will win.
Speak for yourself????? HELLOOOOOOOO????? ARE YOU RETARDED?????? YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A LICENCE YOU DIP SH*T, WHAT EXPERIENCE ARE YOU SPEAKING FROM???????????????


OMG, I cant believe this. I honestly can not believe why I am wasting my time arguing with you. Dear lord. Now I know why everyone at max has learned to ignore you, rather than argue with you all the time. You never stop. Now I know how Autotechnica feels, poor guy, he has been putting up with you from the beginning.
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Old 03-13-2003, 09:50 PM   #40
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Speak for yourself????? HELLOOOOOOOO????? ARE YOU RETARDED?????? YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A LICENCE YOU DIP SH*T, WHAT EXPERIENCE ARE YOU SPEAKING FROM???????????????


OMG, I cant believe this. I honestly can not believe why I am wasting my time arguing with you. Dear lord. Now I know why everyone at max has learned to ignore you, rather than argue with you all the time. You never stop. Now I know how Autotechnica feels, poor guy, he has been putting up with you from the beginning.
i never said i raced anyone have i?
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Old 03-15-2003, 06:54 PM   #41
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Jon Honda sucks and you know it.
Lets see
328i v s Prelude
BMW got, more dorrs, more room, driveshaft, full spare tire, leather interior, more features that all honda all together, 2 more cylinders, bigger brakes, full spare tire.
And still bmw is just 100lbs heavier and it is a bit faster. so which car is better???
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Old 03-16-2003, 03:51 AM   #42
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My turn...
Okay look, from the times I've seen from MP328, Wasibi from Cayuga, their times seemed pretty dead close with the Prelude.
My friend, just a daily driver, not a street racer did it in 15.1 (fastest) and other times at 15.3-4 (stock 5th gen lude and that was his first time at the dragstrip); I got it on my camcorder if you want proof. He went again to St. Thomas a couple months later and got 15.3-4s again. Now from what I see the 328s are pretty much dead even w/the lude on the 1/4 mile. BUT you guys can't just take 1/4 mile times into account only.

You should LOOK at the trap speed also. Given the Lude and BMW, for example, have the same 1/4mile times, but say the 328i has a higher trapspeed, then from my understanding if both cars were to continue to race after the 1/4 mile, the 328 would pull away from the Lude.

Another variable is your 60ft time. If you have a crappy 60ft time, that will definitely affect your overall 1/4 mile result. So if your launch is horrible you'll get a crappy time. If you can achieve 2.0-2.2 secs for your 60ft time, that's pretty good. Off-topic, but you got to love Quattro launches, my buddy had a 60ft time of 1.9 seconds on a worn out stock clutch back then.

My point is, overall if you go from 0-200km/h+ I'd say the 328 will win it no doubt.
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Again off-topic but some of you guys shouldn't make fun of Civics too much. I met up with this guy over the winter w/Autotechnica and Kenny and we saw with our own eyes, a Civic SIR w/stock manifolds and stock exhaust. He has a CAI, winter tires, drop springs and bottom end built up along with a Standalone system. His car looks like a stock looking civic from the exterior w/not interior stripped. Even on the freeway run w/my A4 buddy and this guy w/a mid '90s CAmry auto V6 SUPRA Turbo conversion, I was surprised how well the Civic pulled from the start, thinking that it'd suck on freeway runs and its lack of torque. FYI, my buddies A4 is quicker than stock E36 M3s, just to give you guys a reference point. At times the Civic pulled away from my A4 friend who had an extra passenger. This consisted of several 2nd or 3rd gear rolling starts all the way up to 5th gear. The civic pulled maybe half to a one/one and a half car length away from the A4, but when both of them started, my A4 friend had the slight edge. However, the other time when my A4 buddy (this time w/no passenger riding along) raced the civic, he beated him. I forgot by how much but seems like absence of a passenger made a difference for him. No NOS was invovled!

Yes I know you guys are probably thinking, "Well that's a mildly modded Civic SIR" but I'm just showing you guys it still has potential and it's not the average so called "RICER" civics you see these days, misrepresented by many enthusists who are good at making them sound loud but no go.

I'm taking things into the PERSPECTIVE of straight line racing so don't go on bashing me about the differences on "Oh Track Circuit at Mosport, Shannonville, Auto-x, blah blah blah, handling."
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Old 03-16-2003, 01:24 PM   #44
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I've driven both Prelude SH and 328is. I must say that the lude is a step below the 328is in every aspect. Build quality, engine, feel, torque, seats ect, ect. In other words these two cars shouldn't be compared cause a 328is is on another level than the lude. I'm sure the lude can be tuned to eat the 328 in the 1/4 but thats not what BMW's are built for. P.S. Honda motors sound like shit at WOT compared to BMW motors
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Old 03-16-2003, 01:50 PM   #45
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look at the final drive too...the final drive on the prelude is MUCH higher, giving better accell...i was talking to wasabi about the 1/4mile thing...i explained to him (something thats impossible to do with u) why i think so, because he ran the same times as my friend!

VTEC cant help me now? wtf does that mean lol
Jon,

You need to learn something about differentials, and what effect they have on acceleration.

With a short differential, you're not changing the torque output of the engine at all, merely changing the momentum arm of the torque relationship (ie, making it longer) at the rear wheels.

Think of it this way. When you pedal a bicycle, keep it in one gear (say 1st). You're eventually going to get to the point where you're pedalling as fast as you can, and the bike just won't go any faster. Therefore, you switch gears, and start accelerating again. However, you're not accelerating as hard in 2nd gear as you do in first gear.

What you're effectively doing is trading the ability to accelerate the car for speed.

The problem lies with this; with a shorter rear differential, you're going to reach redline sooner (assuming identical transmission ratios, which is another factor altogether). So, while the 'Lude shifts because it's hit redline (and begins to accelerate, though not as quickly in second gear as in first), the 328 is still accelerating in first gear, and effectively has a shorter overall drive ratio now.

As speeds begin to pick up, the 'Lude accelerates less and less each time it shifts.

So the 'Lude is using a shorter drive ratio to compensate for the lack of engine torque it has in relation to the 328is, and as each gear is used, this relationship becomes closer and closer. In the end, the BMW has greater torque available to it, and given relatively equivalent final drive ratios (using both tranny AND diff ratios), the BMW can accelerate faster.


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