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Old 02-22-2009, 09:05 PM   #31
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i didnt say that but the US forces imo havent done a lot to aid the world. they vlow shit up. as is the US, Canada is involved in more peace ops. Canada more so than a lot of world powers. a lot of countries are scared (if you will) of the CF. therefore our presence is a big part of any allied operation. granted, many allied ops could not have been completed wit out the US, but they more less mess things up more than help.

everything is too glorified for the US forces.....they dont win everything......and its not solely a US victory. Example....WW2....the US did help, a lot, but the war may have been lost for sure, if Canada was not involved. IMO, i dont believe the same is true for the US's presence in WW2.
Disagree ^^^

The US has currently 2.8 million troops. Canada on the other hand has 125,000. So lets say back in WW1 and 2 they had half as many. The war would not have been won BY Germany. Brittan, US, Canada, and the Russian's would still have won. With out the Canada, WW2 would have still been Won by the US.

And what about all these wars?

Becides the American War if Independence, all the wars have been needing the US help or been for the US: for example

World War 1: US helped and won.
World War 2: US helped and won.
Iraq War: US was attacked on 9/11 and George Bush did the right thing to go to War. (NO 9/11 Was NOT A CONSPIRACY). Still currently in Iraq.

Therefore, All the wars that have had the US involved have either been won or Have been against the US itself.

In the end, The US would still have won the war with or with out Canada helping in World War 2. The US may have suffered more casualties but still have won.
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:05 PM   #32
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the US has never won any major battles on its own. I think it was Vimmey Ridge, the US took control after Canada captured Vimmy from the German's. US took control, and lost control. Canada came back to take th Ridge again......blah blah blah....the US cant do anything major with out someone elses help, im sorry to say.

Canada has one of the very best armies in the world, WAAAY better the the US amry. better training is what it comes down to. The US navy seals are a bunch of fannies compared to the British SAS, and Canadas JTF2 and CSOR. its all about the training. check out vids on youtube
Something U.S will never tell you is the training some of their special forces soilders goes through..
they would never release that information..

theyll release there delta ops and their navy seals..
but if America really needs to get something done, theyll do it with their Black Op's

Black ops doesnt have a headquarters or anything like that.. but think

Jason bourne with Rambo mixed with Ding Chavez
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Black Hawk Down is a SWEET movie
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:07 PM   #33
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wow, you guys ever watch movies just for entertainment? This movie is wicked. Put it on a big screen on blue ray, add some high end sound in dts and enjoy. This movie rocks!!!

totally agree -->^
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:08 PM   #34
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BTW Iran is problem created by US backing out of helping Pahlavi when he need it to stop fundamentalists from taking over. So now US has to solve a problem it has created 20+ years ago.

US created most of the problems it later "solved" or is "solving" e.g. Vietnam, Iran, Noriega, Saddam, Osama and so on.
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:11 PM   #35
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Your knowledge regarding world history is rather limited hence any other discussion is rather pointless. You can't judge conflicts from one side and there are numerous factors that need to be considered.

e.g. Revolutionary war and communication between e.g. Boston garrison and London HQ at the time. British were fighting a war without being able to contact their HQ for reinforcements until a ship reached England.



As to amazing technology possessed by USA in WWII - German developed first rocket fighter, first operational jet fighter, first ballistic missile and was very close from completing hydrogen bomb - they decided to develop hydrogen bomb instead of atomic one. Please remember who got US into space - Wernher von Braun and scientists from Peenemunde.
no kidding, Germany had thousands of scientists working on different projects and inventions to further the superior human race. I believe Hitler even had German scientists create Napalm, it was developed, but it did not see wide use until the Korean War. I just did a project on the atom bomb actually. The Manhattan Project was the project to develop the first atomic weapon during World War II; involving the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Two different bombs were dropped, the uranium and the plutonium bomb, both bombs that Germany had not even come close to developing.

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BTW Iran is problem created by US backing out of helping Pahlavi when he need it to stop fundamentalists from taking over. So now US has to solve a problem it has created 20+ years ago.

US created most of the problems it later "solved" or is "solving" e.g. Vietnam, Iran, Noriega, Saddam, Osama and so on.
I think you're naive to believe the US merely creates its own problems. A lot of people in the world hate the United States for what it is; the Great Satan, the Christian West, the arrogant nation that they argue interferes when it shouldn't.

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no kidding, Germany had thousands of scientists working on different projects and inventions to further the superior human race. I believe Hitler even had German scientists create Napalm, it was developed, but it did not see wide use until the Korean War. I just did a project on the atom bomb actually. The Manhattan Project was the project to develop the first atomic weapon during World War II; involving the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Two different bombs were dropped, the uranium and the plutonium bomb, both bombs that Germany had not even come close to developing.
German hydrogen bomb was very close from being completed - "heavy water" was provided by Norway (occupied).
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:35 PM   #37
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Band of Brothers is a lot better "realistic" war movie.Black Hawk Down made the opposing force look like a video game.
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Band of Brothers is a lot better "realistic" war movie.Black Hawk Down made the opposing force look like a video game.
Well there is a difference between fighting an army, that is trained with their weapons and with each other, and there is a difference between fighting some random people that bought AK47's in a market (that hasn't been taken care of), and want to rebel.

Add to that, alot of the troops in the movie were Rangers. Thats a considerable step up from normal infantry. Better weapons, better training, lighter weapons, etc, etc than their rebel counter parts.
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Well there is a difference between fighting an army, that is trained with their weapons and with each other, and there is a difference between fighting some random people that bought AK47's in a market (that hasn't been taken care of), and want to rebel.

Add to that, alot of the troops in the movie were Rangers. Thats a considerable step up from normal infantry. Better weapons, better training, lighter weapons, etc, etc than their rebel counter parts.

the recoil of the Ak-47 is really strong. the "skinny's" couldnt shoot properly.

TNATION you have the book... did Mike Durant survive??

they also had their Delta forces in Somalia.. so Delta force and Rangers. those skinny's never had a chance.
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good movie. That is all.
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:38 PM   #41
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the recoil of the Ak-47 is really strong. the "skinny's" couldnt shoot properly.

TNATION you have the book... did Mike Durant survive??

they also had their Delta forces in Somalia.. so Delta force and Rangers. those skinny's never had a chance.
Yeah he did survive actually and he helped with the filming of this movie, he gave the actor who played him a personal one on one of what happened as well
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I think you're naive to believe the US merely creates its own problems. A lot of people in the world hate the United States for what it is; the Great Satan, the Christian West, the arrogant nation that they argue interferes when it shouldn't.
US created many problems they tried solving or "solved" e.g.

WWII - failure to continue advancing eastwards to liberate central and eastern Europe from USSR or atleast preventing the division of Europe. Germans were more than willing to co-op and most German units fighting in the east did all they could to surrender to the Americans (they had alternative motives as well).

Vietnam - unwilligness to help French secure their colony of Indochina - and then fighting the same enemy they didn't help the French with.

Iran - support for Pahlavi and then no help when islamic revolution started.

Iraq - Saddam was a friend when fighting Iran and in turn enemy.

Afganistan (1980s) - supporting rebels fighting USSR and then rebels becoming enemy e.g. Osama

former Yugoslavia - involvement in problems that would be considered internal by most nations. (they didn't attack Turkey, where they have bases, when Turkey invaded part of Cyprus or slaughtered the Kurds)

US made more enemies in last 50 years and is disliked for leaving many problems unfinished. Also support of Israel, when most of the world condemns their actions doesn't look good.

Let's not forget Cambodia, Laos, Grenada, Panana, Nicaragua and the list goes on.
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the recoil of the Ak-47 is really strong. the "skinny's" couldnt shoot properly.

TNATION you have the book... did Mike Durant survive??

they also had their Delta forces in Somalia.. so Delta force and Rangers. those skinny's never had a chance.
AK-47 is very innacurate and very simple to operate and service hence being the perfect weapon for untrained "soldiers".
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BTW Iran is problem created by US backing out of helping Pahlavi when he need it to stop fundamentalists from taking over. So now US has to solve a problem it has created 20+ years ago.
you're wrong here. the mistake of Americans goes way before the revolution the time when Iran had developed a perfectly healthy democracy and they overthrew it. they have even publicly admitted their mistake. when the revolution started there was no stop, no matter who came to help. 99% of the people were against the monarchy, they would have to kill them all off to stop the movement.

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"In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs."
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Disagree ^^^

The US has currently 2.8 million troops. Canada on the other hand has 125,000. So lets say back in WW1 and 2 they had half as many. The war would not have been won BY Germany. Brittan, US, Canada, and the Russian's would still have won. With out the Canada, WW2 would have still been Won by the US.

Canadas armed forced surged in WW1 and WW2. Just because our current forced account for 100,000, doesn't mean that in War Time (real world war,etc) they dont increase. There were drafts, and volunteers. You dont fight real wars with your current forces. You have to surge.

In WW1 and WW2, I think the figures were more like 600,000 recruits, etc. So it wasn't less then it is now, that I can gurantee you.
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