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View Poll Results: what option are you
class 1 under 40,000 25 25.25%
class 2 over 40 thousand but under 70 32 32.32%
over 70 thousand but under 100 21 21.21%
i make Nice cash over 100,000 21 21.21%
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:18 PM   #46
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the man speaks truth. Do wat u like, life is too short. but maybe wat u like is money and thats y u want to have some crazy job. and if u like something enough, u will ALWAYS make money in it, doesnt matter wat it is, u just have to like it and work hard at it. U like chooping down trees? i can gaurentee u can make a fortune off of that.
I don't know where this notion came from but I personally find it wrong (besides the fact that it's a blanket statement so almost invariably wrong).

First of all it has nothing to do with doing what you love. To make money you have to do something that others need doing, and doing it well. If you really like eating, surfing the web or taking shits, you're not guaranteed to make a fortune doing any of that. The amount of money you will make doing something, boils down to only 4 things: how much demand there is for it, how good you are at it, how hard you work and how hard you try to find the best opportunity. The other thing is luck, but that really only makes a difference between good and extraordinary (as in, if you know how to do something that's really in demand, you're good at it and you work hard, then you'll do fine - but if you also get lucky you'll do very well).

The second thing is the love part. There's no such thing as a job that you love to do every day. Whenever you are occupied with something you were told to do, you will inevitably have times when you don't want to do it. This includes porn stars and race car drivers. Even owning your own business, you're still not free from this. You're not really your own boss, you just have more people you have to kiss up to than you would being employed - namely the customers. If you want their money you will kiss their ass and do their bidding.

I like my job, I don't love it. It's challenging and satisfying, I have a few rough days here and there but for the most part I'm happy to be here. But I'm happiest when I leave here and go to use what being here has put into my bank account. I use it to do things I choose to do. No one tells me to, I do them when I feel like it, because I want to - these are the things I love to do. Work for a living, not live for work - I think that's a better blanket statement if you must pick one.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:19 PM   #47
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the man speaks truth. Do wat u like, life is too short. but maybe wat u like is money and thats y u want to have some crazy job. and if u like something enough, u will ALWAYS make money in it, doesnt matter wat it is, u just have to like it and work hard at it. U like chooping down trees? i can gaurentee u can make a fortune off of that.
in some ways yes in others no. I could use my father for example. Came from portugal when he was 26 single didnt speak a word of english. my dad would work every single day of the week, Construction during the week and serving at weddings and baptisms on the weekends. He never went out and still never does. He never buys a coffee he always makes it at home. my mom never worked. but yet our house was paid off 10years ago and they have a 2001 subi bought 2 years old 20gs cash. if my dad did the whole "live your life and be happy" which you speak of where would we be? renting a basement somewhere? i would rather sacrifice my ass at work to enjoy my life. The shit i have to deal with at work sometimes makes me wonder wtf im doing there! but u know what, all i can think of is if i cant provide 5x better for my kids then my dad did for me then I FAIL

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Old 11-24-2008, 06:27 PM   #48
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http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/25724580.html

EDIT: Sorry that's the wrong one... I couldn't double check cause my work internet filter considers the site "Adult/Sexually explicit" but I just checked the google cache... Here's the real one:

http://howardlindzon.com/?p=2725


Yea, that's the one. Thanks!
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:35 PM   #49
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Not true...
people always say that.. do what you like... im so sure urologists love doing what they do...
How do you know that they don't? I'd have to assume that anyone doing work like that would absolutely have to love it, otherwise...why do it?

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id love to be a message therapist (in all honesty) but would any one be happy brining in sub 30,000??? noo...
My GF is a registered message therapist (RMT), and is easily clearing 30k. We are buying a home together in the Spring. We're extraordinarily happy.

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do an experiment if you think money doesnt buy you happiness.
I am, it's called my life. It's awesome.

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go down to jane+Finch and walk south along jane intill you get depressed.
I've done extensive studies on social topics in Jane & Finch, in fact one of my thesis' was largely based on my personal experience in the area. I'm sure I am better versed than you in this neighbourhood and the functions of it, and the only aspect that I am uncomfortable with (and studied mainly) is the racist police force.

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then go to yorkville and see if you get depressed..
One of my GF's clinics happens to be in Yorkville. We are mostly saddened by the people who populate the area, and refuse to spend more time there than absolutely necessary.

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so what else do you do besides moderator on maxbimmer.>
Recently graduated from UTSC with a double major in City Studies and Human Geography, currently working for BNS as well as being a part time DJ and shadetree mechanic; I'm writing my exam next week to get my Automotive Certification from Georgian, so I can do some car sales on the side. So basically I studied a topic which I enjoyed for 4 years, and am now making my living playing with finance, music, and lots and lots of cars. When when I'm taking time off from this "work", I hang out with my supposedly financially strained GF and watch the hours roll by.

Life is more than what you're making of it, hopefully you'll be one of the lucky few who realize this before it's too late.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:37 PM   #50
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the man speaks truth. Do wat u like, life is too short. but maybe wat u like is money and thats y u want to have some crazy job. and if u like something enough, u will ALWAYS make money in it, doesnt matter wat it is, u just have to like it and work hard at it. U like chooping down trees? i can gaurentee u can make a fortune off of that.
Thanks.

The lesson is, money is an issue. But don't aim for a career path with the money in mind, choose a career path which you love and then make a living out of it.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:02 PM   #51
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I feel that a lot of good points are brought up by both sides of the argument.
It is my opinion that if all you do is chase money, you will remain unhappy(always someone with more), and if all you do is care about how much you enjoy what you are doing with utter disregard for what it puts in your bank account, then once again you will remain unhappy.

It is important to find the right balance between the two. That balance varies from person to person.
To me, something that is not stressful, doesn't involve long hours 35-40hrs a week max, is a safe and comfortible environment(cool in the summer/warm in the winter) and pays fairly decent, is a job that makes me happy. To someone else, they need all that AND making 150K a year. FOr others, even if they barely make ends meet, as long as they are outside(b/c they hate being inside) is enough.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:28 PM   #52
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I don't know where this notion came from but I personally find it wrong (besides the fact that it's a blanket statement so almost invariably wrong).
the notion came from personal experience. before my parents came to canada, my dad lovedanything to do with the automotive world, he is a mechanic. he worked at chryslerr in the mid/late 80's making an easy 70 000+ he then soon opened his shop and was making more than double that just by doing what he loved. He was a strait A student in europe but he wanted to work on cars, so he did. my mom loved teaching, and is currently a teacher and tells me how she loves her job almost every day, she also writes grammer books on her spair time and sells them internationally, its not like we depend on the money that makes us, she does it on the side cause she loves it.

its sad that there is nothing in the world u would love doing everyday, and maybe thats y u cant see my point of view.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:30 PM   #53
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the notion came from personal experience. before my parents came to canada, my dad lovedanything to do with the automotive world, he is a mechanic. he worked at chryslerr in the mid/late 80's making an easy 70 000+ he then soon opened his shop and was making more than double that just by doing what he loved. He was a strait A student in europe but he wanted to work on cars, so he did. my mom loved teaching, and is currently a teacher and tells me how she loves her job almost every day, she also writes grammer books on her [i]spair[/I] time and sells them internationally, its not like we depend on the money that makes us, she does it on the side cause she loves it.

its sad that there is nothing in the world u would love doing everyday, and maybe thats y u cant see my point of view.

Perhaps you should read some of her grammar books. Potentially she can work on spelling ones too.
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"The second thing is the love part. There's no such thing as a job that you love to do every day. Whenever you are occupied with something you were told to do, you will inevitably have times when you don't want to do it. This includes porn stars and race car drivers."

.....OBViUOSLY there will be things sometimes u dont like doing. so if ur wife tells u to do the laundry, and u dont want, that means u dont love her?.....be a little more positive about things and look at both sides.
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Maybe you should read some of her grammer books. Perhaps she can work on spelling ones too.
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they are in a different language!


btw. Even at such a younge age, ive seen/been involved in to many situations that make u think holy shit, thats how i could have ended up in a blink of an eye and realize that if ur alive, ur alive, theres NOTHING better than that, trust me. thats y it pisses me off when i see ppl cutting themeselves and shit, ppl dont even know wat they have. u have to think of the probablility of U, being on this earth, do u know how small u are compared to the universe? just think of the probabilities. do wat the fukk u want. doesnt matter if ur making money or not,.....
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:31 PM   #56
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I took a legal assistant course in college and that's about it. Never worked in the field.

Moved up to Ontario in 2003 and worked for HP as a support tech for the CIBC ATM network under contract. Then moved on as it was not a guarantee that I was going to be re-signed.

After HP I went and worked for a company called GS1 Canada as an account rep for them.

I got offered and took a job about a month ago as an Account manager with Continental Tires/General Tire with inside sales. My boss' plan is to keep in inside sales for about a year and wants to send me out to Quebec and the Maritimes as a territory sales manager where the commission is a little better than what I am making now. So with commission its about the 50k mark. The fact that I am french helped a lot with this position I have to admit and great recommendation letter from my ex employer.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:00 AM   #57
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if he gets an internship during the summer of 3rd year at an ibank and doesn't screw up, he'll be ~120k+ starting (50/50 split of salary + bonus) right outta undergrad. u need to be pretty much near the top of the class and have enough mental aptitude for the interviews to get one of these ibanking internships. or hook ups always work equally well

for canadian schools, your best bet is uwo richard ivey. york comes a distant 2nd but is nowhere near western for ibanking.

but gl regardless, if your gpa is up there at ut, it'll work out. just gotta make sure you get the internship or else it's pretty much no go, unless you get a masters/jd later on then break in. or of course hook ups always works as well

but ya, there is a catch. ibanking associates work ~80-100 hours a week. pretty much 0 life, impossible to start family life, etc

it's not easy but if u make it past the first contract of about 3 years and eventually move into private equity, life is good

one of my big sis is in her 2nd year at deutsche bank. she plans on leaving after her contract is up and relaxing in hawaii or some shit for a year then maybe go to law school or something. too much stress. she's got all this $ but what good is it if she doesn't have the time to spend it, along with all the heavy hours on the comp. which is detrimental her health
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:54 AM   #58
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i graduated from school in 1998, take a mecanical course after that a bodywork course and painting car for 12 year now and starting my own buisness !
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:39 PM   #59
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That's not true, I don't have postgrad, I'm over 100. It's not easy to find in Canada but it's out there. My classmates in the US all pull in around what I do, one significantly more. Just need to be at the right place at the right time, and then do a good job.

EDIT: PhDs also guarantee absolutely nothing. You have to be ambitious to do something with it. A lot of companies will actually snub you because they figure your salary expectations will be well beyond what they're prepared to pay.

EDIT 2: Does anyone else feel like this thread is equivalent to that post on Craigslist - the broad asking where to go to bag the guys making 200+?
agreed there are some people that get lucky and work hard........lol. But usually income is a direct reflection of education.

Of course there are numerous trades jobs etc that pay over 100k. To be honest with the price of everything out there 100k just doesnt have the prestige it used to.
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in some ways yes in others no. I could use my father for example. Came from portugal when he was 26 single didnt speak a word of english. my dad would work every single day of the week, Construction during the week and serving at weddings and baptisms on the weekends. He never went out and still never does. He never buys a coffee he always makes it at home. my mom never worked. but yet our house was paid off 10years ago and they have a 2001 subi bought 2 years old 20gs cash. if my dad did the whole "live your life and be happy" which you speak of where would we be? renting a basement somewhere? i would rather sacrifice my ass at work to enjoy my life. The shit i have to deal with at work sometimes makes me wonder wtf im doing there! but u know what, all i can think of is if i cant provide 5x better for my kids then my dad did for me then I FAIL

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extremely well put brother! thats the story of 90% of my uncles. 500k homes paid off working factory jobs.
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