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Old 10-14-2008, 11:53 PM   #16
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I refuse to believe you're that ignorant. Naive maybe.

Macs and ipods BOTH have chinese made components. There is no such thing as a mac completely free of chinese parts. A quick google search will shine some light onto the matter.

There is also no such thing as a household completely free of chinese made materials. This is basically impossible.

Therefore the tv that you watched today and/or the computer that you're on right now both have parts of chinese origins. You cannot escape it no matter how many labels you read.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:19 AM   #17
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I refuse to believe you're that ignorant. Naive maybe.

Macs and ipods BOTH have chinese made components. There is no such thing as a mac completely free of chinese parts. A quick google search will shine some light onto the matter.

There is also no such thing as a household completely free of chinese made materials. This is basically impossible.

Therefore the tv that you watched today and/or the computer that you're on right now both have parts of chinese origins. You cannot escape it no matter how many labels you read.
they didn't before 2006, all g4 macs were of Taiwanese and intel technologies. Check the stampings on the chipsets, g4s had intel north bridges, and NEC southbridges as well as a slew of mitsubishi, asus etc components,None of these are chinese.

Compeletely free, no, majority free, yes.

Majority of electronics have components from Japan, Taiwan and the US, not china. Chinese assemble them, they seldom produce core components, like chipsets.

Its not about being china free, its about not buying into an economy that thrives on the theft of ideas and cutting corners where they should not be cut. There are things made in china that are decent, but that is far and between.

Apple computers have become, garbage , since all manufacturing was moved to china. Cutting corners in plastic quality, and component quality lead to: premature battery death, cracking casings, plastic changing colour to brown, you name it. Ironically, apple computers made of the same materials produced here, 2005 and under, do not show such severe wear and tear.

There is a reason why everything costs cheaper , alot cheaper, in china, the question is, are you ok with having to buy something over and over because it keeps breaking, or , subjecting your health to chemicals that have long been made illegal in goods?

Lego is another wonder, since being moved to be produced in china, new lego bricks are CRAP. The plastic is no where near as flexible and even as glossy as it was before. Being a lego addict, its disappointing.

I would not buy a chinese car. I read the write ups some one did when they lived in china and their first hand experience with a chinese vehicle. After a few months of driving, it was ready to be scrapped.
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Old 10-15-2008, 03:59 AM   #18
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and yet the GTO was illegal here a couple of months ago
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:14 AM   #19
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Unfortunately the best BMW bike ever produced (that's my opinion only!) has an engine that is made and completely assembled in China. There is only one way BMW Canada could've priced a brand new bike CHEAPER than a 2-yr old one!

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Old 10-15-2008, 09:00 AM   #20
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they didn't before 2006, all g4 macs were of Taiwanese and intel technologies. Check the stampings on the chipsets, g4s had intel north bridges, and NEC southbridges as well as a slew of mitsubishi, asus etc components,None of these are chinese.

Compeletely free, no, majority free, yes.

Majority of electronics have components from Japan, Taiwan and the US, not china. Chinese assemble them, they seldom produce core components, like chipsets.

Its not about being china free, its about not buying into an economy that thrives on the theft of ideas and cutting corners where they should not be cut. There are things made in china that are decent, but that is far and between.

Apple computers have become, garbage , since all manufacturing was moved to china. Cutting corners in plastic quality, and component quality lead to: premature battery death, cracking casings, plastic changing colour to brown, you name it. Ironically, apple computers made of the same materials produced here, 2005 and under, do not show such severe wear and tear.

There is a reason why everything costs cheaper , alot cheaper, in china, the question is, are you ok with having to buy something over and over because it keeps breaking, or , subjecting your health to chemicals that have long been made illegal in goods?

Lego is another wonder, since being moved to be produced in china, new lego bricks are CRAP. The plastic is no where near as flexible and even as glossy as it was before. Being a lego addict, its disappointing.

I would not buy a chinese car. I read the write ups some one did when they lived in china and their first hand experience with a chinese vehicle. After a few months of driving, it was ready to be scrapped.
A true lego fanboy would know the term is "lego maniac".

As for the China bashing; There has been increasing pressure on China since the tv exploits of the 1990's showing and comparing the manufacturing sectors and child labour to that of the US. From that point on China has moved away from terrible workmanship and "cutting corners" yes as one would imagine, from any rapidly developing 2nd world country, that some laws and social services are outdated and in need of review. This shift in social, economic and commerical standings are required if China wishes to showcase on an global scale, and that is exactly what they are doing.

In comparison there are lots of harmful/deadly products that are used in both the US and Canada everyday in manufacturing. Take for example the Nalgene(SP?) bottles we should no longer use because of leech chemicals contained within, or the fact that lead based paint was prominent until well into the 70's, I believe. You know that if you mix javex and another household chemical together you get mustard gas right.

Now I am not saying the industrial sector of China is the cats ass as they do have growing pains, but the goverment is socialist and as such has shielded its people for many years allowing them to fall behind in various sectors, as the government opens these aforementioned closed doors things will change.

As for the health care system, look at the population size of the country. Canada can barely keep up with 33 million on our public health care. Imagine a system trying to support a system with 1.3 billion.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:08 AM   #21
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if that S.U.V cost's less then 10 grand ill buy it.

fab up a new grill headlight assembly. 20's fab new tail lights.

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Old 10-15-2008, 10:19 AM   #22
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A true lego fanboy would know the term is "lego maniac".

As for the China bashing; There has been increasing pressure on China since the tv exploits of the 1990's showing and comparing the manufacturing sectors and child labour to that of the US. From that point on China has moved away from terrible workmanship and "cutting corners" yes as one would imagine, from any rapidly developing 2nd world country, that some laws and social services are outdated and in need of review. This shift in social, economic and commerical standings are required if China wishes to showcase on an global scale, and that is exactly what they are doing.

In comparison there are lots of harmful/deadly products that are used in both the US and Canada everyday in manufacturing. Take for example the Nalgene(SP?) bottles we should no longer use because of leech chemicals contained within, or the fact that lead based paint was prominent until well into the 70's, I believe. You know that if you mix javex and another household chemical together you get mustard gas right.

Now I am not saying the industrial sector of China is the cats ass as they do have growing pains, but the goverment is socialist and as such has shielded its people for many years allowing them to fall behind in various sectors, as the government opens these aforementioned closed doors things will change.

As for the health care system, look at the population size of the country. Canada can barely keep up with 33 million on our public health care. Imagine a system trying to support a system with 1.3 billion.
I agree with you, however, i will still not buy a chinese car. Its like the mexican vw, it is a POS, sure its the same car, same stampings, etc, but a mexican vw falls apart where as a german one doesn't. You don t find rust under paint, with dirt, and dust. I mean in everything, trim quality, paint quality, fit and finish. Same idea. If a Corrolla was built in china, i can guarantee that it would not be the same 400k+ corolla from elsewhere.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:25 AM   #23
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Bashing the Chinese products is so like the 70s lol. 90%(just exaggerating) of the products are made in China now (assembling or manufacturing whatever). Cars made in Germany don't necessarily mean they won't fail. There have been so many mechanical issues with German-made cars too. Same as you, I would not buy a Chinese-made car YET unless they pass those crash tests. Sooner or later, they will produce cars that will be comparable to the average Japanese cars, however it will take them a long while to match with the European cars. This only means they are not good at building a car from scratch, but a lot of auto parts are actually MADE in China. And yes, even your mac.

Cars are not the Chineses' specialty, so using cars as an example to represent other Chinese-made products is just unfair.

"I don't buy anything that is made in China." Come on now, let's not be stupid.


Anyways, let's keep it on topic. I wonder how they got this on the road? Isn't it illegal?
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:30 AM   #24
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Bashing the Chinese products is so like the 70s lol. 90%(just exaggerating) of the products are made in China now (assembling or manufacturing whatever). Cars made in Germany don't necessarily mean they won't fail. There have been so many mechanical issues with German-made cars too. Same as you, I would not buy a Chinese-made car YET unless they pass those crash tests. Sooner or later, they will produce cars that will be comparable to the average Japanese cars, however it will take them a long while to match with the European cars. This only means they are not good at building a car from scratch, but a lot of auto parts are actually MADE in China. And yes, even your mac.

Cars are not the Chineses' specialty, so using cars as an example to represent other Chinese-made products is just unfair.

"I don't buy anything that is made in China." Come on now, let's not be stupid.


Anyways, let's keep it on topic. I wonder how they got this on the road? Isn't it illegal?
When they prove they can be safe and generally reliable, then yes, so far, they fail, miserably.

Back on topic, I have no idea how it made it here, however, I am guessing it is a test mule for our market, sort of a one off to see how it handles the climate and conditions. Don't expect to see anymore.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:47 AM   #25
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:50 AM   #26
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Somebody has been watching too much South Park.

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:16 PM   #27
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Somebody has been watching too much South Park.

wtf does south park have to do with inferior products?
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:40 PM   #28
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:46 PM   #29
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wtf does south park have to do with inferior products?
I am also baffled by this southpark statement, please elaborate.
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