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Old 10-12-2011, 01:00 PM   #151
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^^

You do realize that any car sold on planet earth has to be tested to pass at +80 and -40, right? and mechanical parts are frozen, then tested at -40, placed in humidity chambers to run their life expectancy, and have water/sand/salt thrown in the +80 temperatures

Pretty sure Ford figured this out.

I do know , and this is from working many years at Magna, that the H2 hummer style pick up truck tail gate with the glass insert did fail many times at full force closes. we joked and call this the divorce close. I have many domestic fails in manufacturing, but that's why there is big bucks spent on R&D and reverse engineering...
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:26 PM   #152
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hmm yeah i understand sproule905 that they do test these cars through tough tests.

we'll see how good the flap grill is soon enough.

maybe im just hating on ford, because they used to make crappy cars. LOl im just picking on ford today,...

another thing i see screwing up is their blind spot sensors.

i can see people getting used to not checking their blindspots and the day the sensor somehow stops working. accident.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:09 PM   #153
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95 325is, i previously got numbers in the range of 12-13l/ 100(winter driving ,more idling , winter tires......after changing the tires(winter to summer), spark plugs,02 sensor, i now get numbers 8-10l /100.

believe it or not, i went golfing one day....tee off time was booked later....than normal....so i had plenty of time to get there....so i drove conservatively, i got number between 5-7/l per 100

This car is running better than its been.....lately..........
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:44 AM   #154
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I remember back in 2003 I was at the SAE show in Detriot when the Microsoft first showed the Sync in Ford vehicles. I know it took them what 5 years after to fully work out the bugs and into production. Some of the goodies are cool, but a lot of people will buy for these electronic goodies. Ford has done a great job rebranding their image. I am biased when it comes to buying a car and will prolly never steer away from a bmw ( don't tell that to my 74 TR6) but I would choose a Ford over a Chevy or GM lately.

I do recall seeing that ford side step and tail gate step fail misserably, but that is why German cars have higher price tags cause their failure rate is that much higher than Domestic cars.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:57 AM   #155
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yeah ur right . ppl will buy for the new electrnic gizmos. plus ford pricing is just low as other car companies and that inlcudes all the gizmos as well.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:35 PM   #156
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exactly. The more units (vehicles) Ford moves the more the Gov can help bail them out.. BUt I think Ford is ok. GM/Chevy not so much.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:49 PM   #157
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I grew up a chevy guy... when it came to trucks and cars with V8s anyway. It's been... really hard swallowing my pride last couple years and admitting that Ford pretty much has everyone under their thumb right now. Chrysler electronics are over complicated have a huge failure rate, and GM electronics are just... a huge SOB to work on. If I were to buy a truck, a GM before 2000 would be the best way to go.

I've been an automotive technician apprentice for 5 years, been through a lot of different shops, and then spent a year at a JB's Power Center (pretty much anything custom with the electrical or performance I did. From Car starters/alarms to $10k custom stereos to superchargers) And seeing the build quality and how everyone has done different things with their build quality and electrical layouts, no doubt from what I've seen, Ford is on top right now. And that EcoBoost V6? Daaaaaamn. Though I honestly haven't been able to pick apart too many new Bimmers-- I'd still go with another BMW far as cars are concerned.
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:34 AM   #158
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I got some of my best Mileage living in Etown.. that 110 #2 from Etown to Cowtown... I think I did it steering with my knee a few times.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:11 PM   #159
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I got a best-ever 38.2MPG/7.4L based on 41.161L over 557kms on a trip to Ottawa this summer, and I ran into construction slowdown and traffic jams on the way there. It was still showing about 3/8 of a tank left when I fuelled up too; could have been a 800km tank. Not bad for a car rated 34MPG highway by Transport Canada. My best tank was the following tank used on my return from Ottawa, a 751km tank using 60.394L, or 35.1MPG/8L.

The last 14 months that I had my car I used Bosch Platium IR Fusion plugs and got the best fuel economy out of my car for the 6 years that I owned it; I've averaged 33.3MPG/8.5L in 2011. Usually I got 600-650km a tank, based on 58-60L of fuel consumed, but I used Shell V-Power exclusively. And I always filled it full, and drove it down into the reserve light, even twice past the E marking! The BMW fuel gauge is the only gauge I have consistantly trusted, and a car I never ran out of gas with. Also, the few times when I had to remove the intake manifold (you know, like changing the fuel filter on those early E36s?) my intake valves were free of any fuel deposits---they were shiny!

I initially bought a 2006 Subaru Impreza 2.5i to replace the BMW, and ran out of gas once (60L tank compared to 65L BMW tank)---it also couldn't get a consistant 600km/tank like the BMW could (it averaged 30.3MPG/9.3L), which meant I had to fill it more than once a week. So I sold the car, and then my BMW crapped out.

Bought a 2004 VW Passat TDI, and ran out of fuel on the first tank, thinking the gauge was as accurated as a BMW....

Here's a Fuel Consumption Calculator for the econo-misers out there:

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/transportatio...ator-input.cfm

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Old 01-03-2012, 09:36 AM   #160
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every gauge is different...you shoudlnt jump into any car and assume the gauge is gonna respond exactly the same way especially when you push it deep into the red.

how many years with that one car were you accustomed to? you run out of gas once pushing the limits on a new car and then sell it? lol weird.

You have to learn exactly how that gauge behaves before you go full boar running it to the last drop
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:28 AM   #161
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I initially bought a 2006 Subaru Impreza 2.5i to replace the BMW, and ran out of gas once (60L tank compared to 65L BMW tank)---it also couldn't get a consistant 600km/tank like the BMW could (it averaged 30.3MPG/9.3L), which meant I had to fill it more than once a week. So I sold the car, and then my BMW crapped out.
Yeah those subaru gauges are weird... with my '07, I'd get almost 2/3rds of the mileage out of the top half but once the gauge dropped below the half mark, it would drop quickly!
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:45 PM   #162
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a lot of gas gauges across the makes do that, incl bmw.
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Old 01-03-2012, 03:47 PM   #163
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Touching on mileage of new vehicles, I picked up a new 2011 dodge ram sport crew cab 4x4. Fully loaded, every option, and am amazed by the mileage I get out of a vehicle that size. I've averaged around 12.5l per 100km on highway trips and mixed I am actually hitting 15 to 16l per hundred km. I was sceptical to get back into a pick up for a DD, but need a vehicle to tow the new project to the track and all the gear, not disappointed.

Now if they can get this kinda mileage out of a 400hp/410ftlb 5.7l V8 in a huge truck, I would expect the new M3 to be able to hit under 10l per 100km!
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Old 01-04-2012, 08:01 AM   #164
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Ha! My 01 M5 gets 16/100km. Although I have gotten it down to 15.7/100km.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:25 PM   #165
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Now if they can get this kinda mileage out of a 400hp/410ftlb 5.7l V8 in a huge truck, I would expect the new M3 to be able to hit under 10l per 100km!
I think everybody wished that. not gonna happen
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