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Old 01-31-2003, 05:00 AM   #16
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....., but on the other hand you have to see that without this force , Iraq could be a potential thread to the free world. if they DO have mobil nuclear and chemical weapons depots than all it takes is one nuke pointed at the upper states and we would all be toast. (fall out and stuff),, were is the line, and at what point is it crossed. i believe that the american govenment will cross it if war is truely declared. this is just some of my 2 or 3 cents.

It is all CRAP.
Did you see a single weapon? NO, they don't show crap cause the got none.
Iraq is not a threat to a free world. Europe has no beef with Iraq what-so-ever. Why??? Like I said Bush wants oil. Without OIL US wouldn't excist as it is. I'm tired of paying almost 90 cents per liter for a gas. And it is BUSH'S fault. He must be stopped, or because of his idiotic ideas we will have 3rd ww, which will be lost. I just hope the whole world will go against US, and I see it is comming. Maybe US military has bug money, but it is not the best military.
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Old 01-31-2003, 05:01 AM   #17
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But what gives the American's the right to have nuclear weapons and be able to say Iraq is not allowed to have any? It seems like American's are just bullying Iraq. I believe that Saddam Hoosain will not openly fire on the american's for no reason. He is not crazy like Bin Laden, he does not want to start a war with the Americans. Even though he could do a lot of damage he knows that in the end he will be defeated so I doubt he will try anything. I just don't understand what gives the Americans the right to have so much control over the rest of the world.

But I guess since Saddam lost the war he has no choice.

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Sorry, I hate american foreign policy as much as the next guy, but I have to disagree with you here. I dont feel that an unstable country like Iraq should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Regular weapons to support its territorial integrity is fine, it is a country after all that has to protect itself. But no nukes, I do fear them using the nukes. N. Korea is not an unstable country like Iraq, and neither is Russia. Also as far as middle eastern countries go, I do think they need a change in the way they think. Im sorry but western society is better than a society where women dont work and political opponents are killed on a daily basis. I think a country that treats everyone equal and doesnt exterminate a race is better to live in than Iraq.

See the problem for the states is that they are not going into Iraq for these reasons, and that is what I dont like, they are going in to exploit resources. If they really were going for the good and noble reasons they say they were then that would be fine, but they lie.
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Old 01-31-2003, 05:01 AM   #18
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It is all CRAP.
Did you see a single weapon? NO, they don't show crap cause the got none.
Iraq is not a threat to a free world. Europe has no beef with Iraq what-so-ever. Why??? Like I said Bush wants oil. Without OIL US wouldn't excist as it is. I'm tired of paying almost 90 cents per liter for a gas. And it is BUSH'S fault. He must be stopped, or because of his idiotic ideas we will have 3rd ww, which will be lost. I just hope the whole world will go against US, and I see it is comming. Maybe US military has bug money, but it is not the best military.
I agree completely, it's all about the oil.

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Old 01-31-2003, 05:05 AM   #19
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It is all CRAP.
Did you see a single weapon? NO, they don't show crap cause the got none.
Iraq is not a threat to a free world. Europe has no beef with Iraq what-so-ever. Why??? Like I said Bush wants oil. Without OIL US wouldn't excist as it is. I'm tired of paying almost 90 cents per liter for a gas. And it is BUSH'S fault. He must be stopped, or because of his idiotic ideas we will have 3rd ww, which will be lost. I just hope the whole world will go against US, and I see it is comming. Maybe US military has bug money, but it is not the best military.
lol, Would you rather live in a 3rd world country? How about you go to Afghanistan and live under a bunch of rocks. You have it good and you dont even know it. What would happen if Iraq were the leaders of the world? You would be working for pennies a day, and living off bread and water. Please, we are all spoiled here, thats the problem. North america is the best place in the world to live.
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Sorry, I hate american foreign policy as much as the next guy, but I have to disagree with you here. I dont feel that an unstable country like Iraq should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Regular weapons to support its territorial integrity is fine, it is a country after all that has to protect itself. But no nukes, I do fear them using the nukes. N. Korea is not an unstable country like Iraq, and neither is Russia. Also as far as middle eastern countries go, I do think they need a change in the way they think. Im sorry but western society is better than a society where women dont work and political opponents are killed on a daily basis. I think a country that treats everyone equal and doesnt exterminate a race is better to live in than Iraq.

See the problem for the states is that they are not going into Iraq for these reasons, and that is what I dont like, they are going in to exploit resources. If they really were going for the good and noble reasons they say they were then that would be fine, but they lie.
That's true, very valid points. However, I was debating what gives the right for American's to have full control over this situation? But like you said, if Saddam is as unstable as you say he is, then someone needs to take control. But I dont' see an end to this, once you take everything away from Saddam he will just become even more ruthless and possibly become a terrorest himself.

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That's true, very valid points. However, I was debating what gives the right for American's to have full control over this situation? But like you said, if Saddam is as unstable as you say he is, then someone needs to take control. But I dont' see an end to this, once you take everything away from Saddam he will just become even more ruthless and possibly become a terrorest himself.

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Ok, what Im saying is that Sadam is not stable and he must be stopped. Now what is wrong with the states is that they are going in for all the wrong reasons. Profit and nothing else. Now if they went in for the reasons they actually say they are, then they would have a little more support from me, but they dont. America kills for the persuit of profit. But americans are morons, there is a virtually untapped billion dollar industry in the "energy saving" market that still remains untapped. If they got their heads together they wouldn't even need any oil ever. I mean if they could duplicate the type of energy created in the sun, Toronto could be run on the energy in a glass of water for a year!
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Ok, what Im saying is that Sadam is not stable and he must be stopped. Now what is wrong with the states is that they are going in for all the wrong reasons. Profit and nothing else. Now if they went in for the reasons they actually say they are, then they would have a little more support from me, but they dont. America kills for the persuit of profit. But americans are morons, there is a virtually untapped billion dollar industry in the "energy saving" market that still remains untapped. If they got their heads together they wouldn't even need any oil ever. I mean if they could duplicate the type of energy created in the sun, Toronto could be run on the energy in a glass of water for a year!
Wow, I never realized you were so insightful! Must be cuz you always post stuff about porn

Good Job! This is way over my head...

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Wow, I never realized you were so insightful! Must be cuz you always post stuff about porn

Good Job! This is way over my head...

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Old 01-31-2003, 05:21 AM   #24
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Ok, what Im saying is that Sadam is not stable and he must be stopped. Now what is wrong with the states is that they are going in for all the wrong reasons. Profit and nothing else. Now if they went in for the reasons they actually say they are, then they would have a little more support from me, but they dont. America kills for the persuit of profit. But americans are morons, there is a virtually untapped billion dollar industry in the "energy saving" market that still remains untapped. If they got their heads together they wouldn't even need any oil ever. I mean if they could duplicate the type of energy created in the sun, Toronto could be run on the energy in a glass of water for a year!
great thinking! i totally agree with everything mkgino said...its all about oil, power, and money
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Old 01-31-2003, 06:37 AM   #25
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lol, Would you rather live in a 3rd world country? How about you go to Afghanistan and live under a bunch of rocks. You have it good and you dont even know it. What would happen if Iraq were the leaders of the world? You would be working for pennies a day, and living off bread and water. Please, we are all spoiled here, thats the problem. North america is the best place in the world to live.

Ever been to ghetto??? It is prolly worse than Afghanistan.
NO ONE should be a ruler of the world, Not US, not Iraq, not any other country.
3rd world countries are just a big factory for US. Cheap labour.
If US wouldn't wanna steal oil from IRAQ, you wouldn't even heard about it. IRAQ is just one of the few countries that has balls to say GO FU CK YOUR SELF USA.
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mkgino, Bush is more unstable than Sadam.
ok explain me this, you are a a president of a country.
Some mofo comes to your country and steals your oil and tells you how to live, eat and sleep.
What would you do???
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Old 01-31-2003, 06:47 AM   #27
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ok one more point from me.

US can not survive without gas. Damn BMW trying to push Hydrogen powered cars for 20 years. Why they are not still around? Cause USA can't afford having hydrogen powered cars now. Damn we are so advanced and we can't invent a car that runs on hydrogen? Can you believe this??? US IS ALL ABOUT OIL.
NO OIL, NO USA, NO IRAQ
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just to add some points here for the sake of conversation

mkgino: if u watched bush's speech this past week he mentioned that he wants to start some energy saving program (like u mentioned) so they would not have to rely on gas and hence won't need the middle east as much...this energy saving shit is seriously going to take affect especially now with all the controversy that's going on about Iraq and the states purpose for war

sickfinga: these ghettos' here in canada and america are nothing compared to the other parts of the world. TRUST ME ON THAT. I agree with u that america is a coperation

my personal opinion is that america does have a hidden agenda and I think people are on to them. Only 57% of americans believe war with iraq is needed. Most of the world disagree's with Bush's approach and people are making themselves heard with all the protests that are going on

Lastly, I would like to point out how arrogant one of Bush's remarks was. When sept. 11 happened, Bush said every country is either with us or against us...now how arrogant is that!?

I think its important to point out here that its the american government that is ****ed up and not the american people. I want to state that now cuz i know some americans are gonna think that we feel this way about the whole country and they might think we're terrorists too..lol...j/k

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Everyting you all have been saying is true. Its all about power money and greed. They did it to us with the Avro Arrow, they are doing it to the Iraq's with the oil, and they will continue doing it until they rule the world, the US gov't..

Points:
1) Avro Arrow, read up on it. Canadian built fighter that posted speeds, and manouevreability that the US government could not match. What happened, all the planes were destroyed except 1 whereabouts unknown, factory demolished, papers burned.

2) Importing oil from venezuela, middle east has greater profits for oil companies. That is why they do not want to drill for oil on our own land. Northwest Territories has been examined and found to have enough oil reserves to fuel ALL of north america for over 20 years. Why haven't they started to drill? Could you imagine the cost of gas at 30 cents a litre... Oil company profits would drop considerably because they could not use the so called cost of importing to raise the prices of barrels.

3) Could you image Afganistan having its own resources to drill for oil, that country would get rich very fast, opportunity strikes, so did the US.


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lol i read most of the stuff on that web page.. some of it is somewhat believable, however some seems to be utter nonsense coming from someone that does not know anything.

I do believe in conspiracies, and I do believe what hapened in Sept 11 was a huge conspiracy aimed at accomplishing many things. I mean USa is a police state now. Im to lazy to go into futher detail about anything, but if you look at world news and what is happening today you can begin to unfold your own story. Dont watch CNN though or other American news, thats all propaganda if you ask me..
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