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Old 03-26-2008, 10:03 AM   #1
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new tires for dummies

So me & a couple of guys from work were talking about our cars & when we'd be getting them out of storage; and I had mentioned that I needed 2 new tires. I've got Michelin Pilot Sports now; and one guy suggests that I try Falkens. He's had them on a couple of his cars & now has them on his sport truck's 20". And the price is right he tells me.

So off to the tire shop I go today to see what's available. Shop guy tells me that he can get Falken 452's (?); z rated directionals for about $135/per installed & balanced. But then he recommends Nexxen n2000's instead; says he's selling tons of them at $125/per installed.

Now I'm pretty stupid when it comes to tires; and I'm trying my best to keep up with him while he rattles on about things; and I said I'd get back to him (car's buried in an inch of ice right now anyways...)

So I'm just looking for any insight as to if either of these tires are any good; or if there's another tire out there some people like better?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:06 AM   #2
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Mystical knows tires well. You should ask him.

I've had a couple shops try to sell me on Nexens. I haven't been able to find much on them.

This thread should give you some info...on all seasons anyways.
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102915
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:27 AM   #3
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Moving thread to the correct subforum...

Rack these attributes from highest to lowest:

Dry traction
Wet traction
Handling
Hydroplaning resistance
Noise
Ride
Treadwear
Price

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Old 03-26-2008, 11:45 AM   #4
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my brother has nexens on the front of his mazdaspeed protege. he says they seem really soft and his car understeers more now.
listen to wise mystikal. the wheel and tire guru.
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:34 PM   #5
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I was going to get falkens becasue of the price, But everyone I know that has falkens tell me to stay away from them.
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I was going to get falkens becasue of the price, But everyone I know that has falkens tell me to stay away from them.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:10 PM   #7
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Pilot sports are the best IMO
I had to switch to Falken's 452's because my budget wasn' that big anymore.
But if I had to choose, it would be the falkens FTW
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:32 PM   #8
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Moving thread to the correct subforum...

Rack these attributes from highest to lowest:

Dry traction
Wet traction
Handling
Hydroplaning resistance
Noise
Ride
Treadwear
Price

Jay

Sorry for the wrong section Jay...

If I had to rate the characteristics I'm looking for most:

Handling & dry traction would be tops for sure; Price is always a factor being a cheap guy that I am; but I wouldn't sacrifice performance for price.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:58 PM   #9
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I want to buy tires as good as Michelins .... for less.
( I keep buying Michelins, but keep thinking other tires would be just as good.)
The new Michelin MXV4 ( not the Energy, but the tire that replaces it)
is "supposed" to be very good, and as usual for Michelin, expensive.

I will be interested in what Mystical says .....
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:17 PM   #10
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PS2's are one of the best tires available, there's no way Nexxen can compare, if they did people would be running them at autocross and track days, Nexxen are only a step above Wanli in my books, tires are the last thing you should skimp on bro!
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:28 PM   #11
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Sorry for the wrong section Jay...

If I had to rate the characteristics I'm looking for most:

Handling & dry traction would be tops for sure; Price is always a factor being a cheap guy that I am; but I wouldn't sacrifice performance for price.
I wouldn't recommend the FK-452s for you then. They're not the greatest for dry performance, although they are good at other aspects (wet, noise, ride, etc).

For all out dry traction and handling at a good price, nothing can beat the Falken RT-615. One respected SCCA mag noted that they "turn every car into a Lotus Elise". There are tradeoffs though, as they will wear out quicker than the tires you're looking at; they also do not like standing water if you're above the limit on the highway. But for what you stated you wanted out of a tire...the RT-615 is it.

A more streetable choice would be either the BFGoodrich G-Force Sport and KDW2. Both tires have really great handling characteristics, with the KDW2 being better in the wet and the G-Force being A LOT quieter.

If those are all a little pricey for you, the Kumho SPT is another step down the dry performance ladder but still a capable tire (better than popular choices like the T1-R, Exclaim UHP, FK-452, etc). It's great all-around, and is probably the cheapest out of all the tires I recommend here.

Hope I helped,
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Old 03-27-2008, 05:34 PM   #12
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I have a set of Falken ZE 912's waiting for me to go pick them up. Will post a review when I get to really push them. On my dads' car ofcourse.
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^^^

Also was looking at the 912's... Jay; what's the story on these; other than them being all season vs. summer?

The more I think about it though; the 452's might not be too bad; cause I do alot of 401 driving & it does rain from time to time....
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Jay is the person who recommended them. I highly doubt they are an All season tire, although it may say they are.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:44 AM   #15
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If dry traction and handling are the primary concerns, you're looking for an aggressive summer tire. No all-season (which the ZE-912 is) will do. This is because the very reason that a tire can be classified as an all-season (lots of siping in the shoulder tread) directly affects dry performance negatively. The ZE-912 is an excellent street tire for almost everyone, no doubt. But since you said you wanted dry road capability...I recommend the more exotic offerings.

As for a comparison of the two, the ZE-912 is actually too close to the FK-452s performance for me to justify spending the extra money on the summer Falken. The ZE-912 is CHEAP, and performs very similarly.

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