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Old 07-31-2017, 11:46 AM   #1
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How much longer will Max be around?



Other than people coming on to buy/sell stuff, there's not a whole lot going on here anymore . Traffic has been slowly declining over the past several years, or at least it seems that way.

I'd imagine there's a break point somewhere... I guess as long as the sponsors are chipping in enough to cover the servers we'll be online?
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Old 07-31-2017, 03:21 PM   #2
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Got to stay strong, and not let this forums die!!
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:41 PM   #3
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Got to stay strong, and not let this forums die!!
I'd love it if the mods unlocked thread editing... I have build threads now full of dead links because of photobucket. I'd like to go back and fix all the links as I find time to do it.
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Old 07-31-2017, 10:17 PM   #4
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Definitely not like the good old days! Seems everyone has shifted to BMW True North. I personally cannot stand that group.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:06 PM   #5
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Definitely not like the good old days! Seems everyone has shifted to BMW True North. I personally cannot stand that group.
Yes, the whole industry has changed, BMW's are becoming disposable vehicles, not much in terms of mods or swaps are being done, unless you consider "what angel eyes bulb should i use" or "what is the best place to wrap my car" as being mods! In the best case; tune, catless, and rims (80% reps). Maybe I'm just getting old...but slowly loosing faith in the "new generation" of enthusiasts.
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:28 PM   #6
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I'd love it if the mods unlocked thread editing... I have build threads now full of dead links because of photobucket. I'd like to go back and fix all the links as I find time to do it.
Start with your sig!

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Yes, the whole industry has changed, BMW's are becoming disposable vehicles, not much in terms of mods or swaps are being done, unless you consider "what angel eyes bulb should i use" or "what is the best place to wrap my car" as being mods! In the best case; tune, catless, and rims (80% reps). Maybe I'm just getting old...but slowly loosing faith in the "new generation" of enthusiasts.
Same reason I have a hard time choosing a new bimmer. Aside from the M2/M235, there isn't a fun, light(ish), nimble newer BMW.
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Old 08-01-2017, 09:52 AM   #7
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Start with your sig!
Working on it, I felt like the build thread pics were more important to start with
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Yes, the whole industry has changed, BMW's are becoming disposable vehicles, not much in terms of mods or swaps are being done, unless you consider "what angel eyes bulb should i use" or "what is the best place to wrap my car" as being mods! In the best case; tune, catless, and rims (80% reps). Maybe I'm just getting old...but slowly loosing faith in the "new generation" of enthusiasts.
100% agree.

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Same reason I have a hard time choosing a new bimmer. Aside from the M2/M235, there isn't a fun, light(ish), nimble newer BMW.
Even those cars are built with poor materials and age badly, though. The M235/M240 have awful steering feel too, not sure how people live with them. Feels like a video game.

Grab onto your pre-F-code BMWs and maintain them like crazy. Because it's all downhill from here.
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100% agree.
Even those cars are built with poor materials and age badly, though. The M235/M240 have awful steering feel too, not sure how people live with them. Feels like a video game.

Grab onto your pre-F-code BMWs and maintain them like crazy. Because it's all downhill from here.
I haven't driven the M235, but that's sad to hear. Wonder if it an be improved with upgraded bushings/etc.
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I haven't driven the M235, but that's sad to hear. Wonder if it an be improved with upgraded bushings/etc.
It took me a few years to get behind the wheel of one, and even after suspension upgrades were installed (and brand new P4S rubber) there was absolutely zero steering feel. Tons of weight, just no feel. The blame is the electric steering assist, which confuses me because the E85 Z4 came out in 2002 and had electric steering with decent feel. Not sure how BMW is screwing up the steering feel this much, Porsche and Mazda seem to have made the transition perfectly.

But the overall quality is the biggest turn-off for me. Interior plastics are wearing extremely poorly in the F3x and F2x cars, my clients with 200k all have shiny patches on the armrests wherever their elbows and fingers touch frequently. HVAC and radio buttons wearing off. Not even going to talk about all of the beautiful aluminum suspension components in the E9x and E8x cars that they reverted back to steel. Plastic oil pans. Universal components all over the engine bays. Just gross, cost-cutting techniques one is used to seeing from non-German makes.

I hate what BMW has become.
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It took me a few years to get behind the wheel of one, and even after suspension upgrades were installed (and brand new P4S rubber) there was absolutely zero steering feel. Tons of weight, just no feel. The blame is the electric steering assist, which confuses me because the E85 Z4 came out in 2002 and had electric steering with decent feel. Not sure how BMW is screwing up the steering feel this much, Porsche and Mazda seem to have made the transition perfectly.

But the overall quality is the biggest turn-off for me. Interior plastics are wearing extremely poorly in the F3x and F2x cars, my clients with 200k all have shiny patches on the armrests wherever their elbows and fingers touch frequently. HVAC and radio buttons wearing off. Not even going to talk about all of the beautiful aluminum suspension components in the E9x and E8x cars that they reverted back to steel. Plastic oil pans. Universal components all over the engine bays. Just gross, cost-cutting techniques one is used to seeing from non-German makes.

I hate what BMW has become.
Ewww... they're cheaping out even more than I heard. All so they can compete at the entry level with VW's and Accords.

Looks like I'm going to have to find a clownshoe M-Coupe or supercharge a BRZ.
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100% agree.
So....can you guys enable post editing for OP's in threads?
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Old 08-02-2017, 06:57 AM   #13
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Still dedicated to max. I enjoy all the people that are on it. Local people with a variety of cars, ages and skills. It's the environment I prefer.

Neighbor brought home the M2 last week. Nice, but not my style. It needs more grunt for a new M car IMO.

Good call on the clown shoe, but still expensive; especially the S54.

Still say the last real M car is the E90/92 M3....

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Old 08-02-2017, 10:14 AM   #14
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Valid thread. I am also part of the problem as I hardly visit/post on Max anymore. BMW TN is a bunch of morons, like real, inexcusable morons, I am glad they banned me for calling them out.

Filip's comments are dead on too.

Anyway, it looks like the US forums are doing well, perhaps not as visited as once upon a time, but still a lot more info/content/discussion/new threads coming up.

The chassis specific FB groups are 95% nonsense too. The same cars being posted over and over, followed by threads on what mileage everyone has on their cars and how "cheap" they bought theirs....

It really doesn't bring much reason to discuss/post anymore.

I just lurk in the shadows and search google for information when I need it...
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So....can you guys enable post editing for OP's in threads?
Would if I could. I'm not certain the reasoning behind that decision anyway.
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