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Old 12-18-2004, 12:41 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Falling back on the 318iS



Reality just hit me and told me that I probably won't be able to comfortably afford the 96-98 328iS so instead of giving up on my all time most favorite car body the e36 I began considering the 318iS. I will be getting the exact same esthetics, but obviously it will be a big 50hp downgrade (friggen pansy 4cylinder), but maybe later on I will be able to chip it, induction, exhaust... etc+ it is way lighter than the 328 so speed wont be completely sacrificed.
Also, since this will be my first manual shift car (im only 18) perhaps it is better for me to stay on the lower end of the power spectrum. The 328 is one step away from m territory and maybe I should stay away, at least for now .

My main questions are about [$$$] of course, namely how much of a drop off in price am I looking at from the 96-98 328iS to the 96-98 318iS? Am I still looking at a big jump in insurance rates just because it is the all mighty b-m-w(i mean comeon, friggen 4 cylinders!, gimme a break)?. Also, How does the 318iS fare maintainence wise?

Any other opinions and advice that would help me in my decision making would be well appreciated,

Thanks guys.
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Old 12-18-2004, 04:33 AM   #2
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I have a 318is, they aren't that slow.. they like to sit below 3000RPMS when driving normal (IT DOESNT REV FAST.. sorry used to Hondas!)..so it doesnt go anywhere.. so you really got stomp on it and wind her up to 6000RPMS..once you got that going its pretty decent..

This commin from a GSR, RSX, PRELUDE guy..
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Old 12-18-2004, 05:57 AM   #3
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It's still got the BMW roundel... And it's got enough power to get you where your going.

as if a 328 is "fast" anyways.. lousy 15.4 in the 1/4 mile big whoopy doo! unless your going to buy the M3 or M5 it's all just degrees of sloweredness.
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Old 12-18-2004, 01:56 PM   #4
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I've owned a total of four e36 coupes: 2 x 318is and 2 x 325is !

The best one I ever had was a 1995 318is. Super reliable, very fun car to drive. Surprisingly cheap on gas too. Weak spots are very minimal and since you live in L.A you won't have to worry about rust.

I don't know L.A Prices but I would assume the 318is will sell for less there. usually comes with less too - no leather, no sunroof (whereas 325is is usually loaded).

I have two recommendations:
1) buy one with a full service history that wasn't beaten up
2) IF you want more power don't make the mistake that too many make of adding an exhaust, etc. to add more. You are just wasting your money. Much better off selling it and buying a 325is in the future. If you read on forums people talk like all their mods add power "My 318is killed this blah blah blah in a race" . bullshit! Looking at actual dyno tests of Lightly moded cars (exhaust, chip, etc.) they are usually pushing stock numbers, sometimes they even are running less than stock!

Good luck wihtyour purchase
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:17 PM   #5
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bmwstylz.. you got that right.. i have time slips to prove the "mods" actually made my car slower..
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Old 12-18-2004, 07:20 PM   #6
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Thumbs up Thanks for the advice

Sure I wanted the 190hp 328, but the main reason I love bmw's, especially the e36's, is because of their looks and I get the same esthetics w/ the 318iS.

I don't plan on spending more than 9 or 10 k on the car so I am probably looking at 80-120k miles. What specifically should I ask the seller when I am negotiating? I got a few things in mind:

1.O2 sensors
2.Cats
3.When was the clutch replaced
......

If you guys could give me a list of specific things I should ask about I think that would really help me find the best possible car.

Also, bmwstylz, seeing as how you have first hand experience w/ the 318 roughly how much should i expect to pay in insurance each year? What about getting liability insurance? The 318 is at least cheaper than the 328 right?

Thanks again!
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Old 12-18-2004, 09:45 PM   #7
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Get a m44 (96+)if your going 4 banger, Don't have to worry about the failing head gasket issue. And it has a better intake for high rpm torque, unfortunatly still the weakness in it's power band, intake is bottlenecked before the MAFS causing it to choke past 5000 RPM. Another bad point is the OBDII which governs it to 195 KPH and makes chiping it hard not to mention allows the m42 to be faster...
But still has good midrange easy on fuel and close to no maintenece.
Oil as indicator tells you too & coolant & break fluid every 2 yrs, Gotta love timing chains.
Insurence way cheaper but different were ever you are.
Mine is $320 Cnd a year collision only... My 86 325e was 570 yearly if that tells you anything.
And a 318 isn't much lighter then a 328 difference in engine if any, weighed mine at a truck scale was just shy of 3900lbs with a full tank and junk in the boot.
Paid 12g last year for my 97 318 IS with service records since 98 and 129 Kilometers on it.
Hope it helps your shopping!
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Old 12-19-2004, 06:01 AM   #8
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3900 lbs????? what did you have lead blocks in your trunk?

my 318 is 2650 lbs.. and from what i've been told the E36 M42 318 is 2800-2900 lbs.
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Old 12-19-2004, 07:51 PM   #9
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My mistake went and got my print out to verify.
1,365Kilo's which is 3056.6 lbs
Not the tank I was saying it was.
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Old 12-21-2004, 03:52 PM   #10
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MaxF - I could tell you about my insurance but it wouldn't help you much. It varies a loooot by region age etc. My only advice if you want the best prices - Call Every agent in the phone book . Might take a couple of hours but you can literally save thousands. I honestly doubt there would be much difference in insurance rates between a 328is versus 318is. Best to call.

As for what to ask the buyer when negotiating - these cars are very reliable. Just make sure it has the records and get it inspected before buying.


WAIT - here some advice - I just read one of your replies - 9 - 10k GRand to spend? GET A 328is hell... you might even find a M3 for that price... just be careful when getting into a cheap m3...
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:23 PM   #11
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ahahaha....an e36 m3 for 9-10k!?...dream on.
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Old 12-21-2004, 05:55 PM   #12
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Well - i've seen 95 M3 in Canada for $15,000 Canadian.... so do the exchange and .. yeah it would probably be a Write off or beaten to shit ! lol but there are some nice ones...
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Old 12-21-2004, 07:56 PM   #13
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hm.....yeah 15000 is possible...but don't expect it to be in daily driver condition without investing some nice change into it first
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Old 12-21-2004, 08:31 PM   #14
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Well - i've seen 95 M3 in Canada for $15,000 Canadian.... so do the exchange and .. yeah it would probably be a Write off or beaten to shit ! lol but there are some nice ones...
In the chop shop

97 M3's are going for 40g's +
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97 M3's are going for 40g's +
97 m3s going for 40gs???
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