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Old 11-18-2009, 08:58 PM   #16
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I DUNNo, it seems the same bs as here... some say it exists while other say its not there its just hyped up.

GO figure.
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:26 PM   #17
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thats crazy.... those numbers are insane BMWBRO, are you sure they are correct? why the hell isn't the media going ballistic apeshit over this?
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:48 PM   #18
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^ got me? there was one article in the baltimore chronical (will post later)






read this from the baltimore chronical and your head may explode.

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Old 11-19-2009, 01:17 AM   #19
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$20 billion in profit expected from the flu outbreak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyopxiXJRQE

by the end of the year 8 drug companies with make over $20 billion in working profits and that's just a start.The swine flu is mutating into various other dangerous virus and even now no one knows where it actually came from and from business reports the total profit from combating this strain of flu will reach over $45 billion by spring.This is big business and even though the drug has been approved the long term affects are not known.It was push thru the normal testing phase which normally takes 3-5 years in less than a year.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:53 AM   #20
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NaturalNews) There has been a flurry of contradictory swine flu events reported here and from Ukraine this early fall. These coincided with a CBS news program releasing information that very few reported swine cases actually tested positive for H1N1. CBS's state by state survey discovered that less than 5 percent of flu cases reported in most American states were confirmed as H1N1.

In most states less than half the reported cases were not even a flu of any type! The CDC and WHO conveniently canceled the need for laboratory swine flu confirmations in mid-summer 2009. That makes it easier to pump up the statistics, doesn't it?

Back Ground Details

Since the WHO this year changed the criteria for declaring a pandemic from worldwide high mortality rates to infections only, it's easier to claim a pandemic with the Swine Flu. Connect these dots: Swine Flu is actually less severe than a normal seasonal flu. But it is highly contagious!

So why bother with this rule juggling to make it easy to categorize a spreading flu as a pandemic? Once the stage 6 pandemic level is called, and it has been, the WHO via the United Nations becomes a medical dictator by international law to almost 200 member nations.

And over the past few years, laws have been arranged to exclude Big Pharma and governments from being financially liable for vaccine related injuries and deaths during a pandemic. A license to kill?

Remember the Baxter incident a few months ago? Jane Burgermeister reported a fortuitous discovery of 72 kilos of contaminated seasonal flu that were "accidentally" delivered to 18 European countries.

Vaccine industry security systems make it virtually impossible for an accident of that magnitude to occur. Here are some specifics:

* 72 kilos of raw vaccine materials will produce many thousands of jabs.
* The contaminant found in those vaccine materials was Bird Flu, H5N1
* The Bird Flu virus was live and not attenuated.
* H5N1 was reportedly in USA labs as a bioweapon to replicate the 1918 pandemic.
* Though H5N1 virus is highly lethal, its infection rate is extremely low.
* Conclusion - a recombinant strain produced from Bird Flu live viruses and a seasonal or Swine Flu strain can create a virus with morbidity (high widespread death rate).

Last August, an international microbiologist in California, Joseph Moshe, called anti-vaccination activist Dr. A. True Ott, warning him of a bioweapon at Baxter's facilities in Ukraine that could be used to create a pandemic. Dr. Ott divulged this on Deagle's radio show after Moshe was forcefully apprehended.

The Ukrainian Incident

Up until the 29th of October, there were only two non-lethal swine flu cases reported within Ukraine's 46 million population. Very few Ukrainians were getting vaccinations of any kind! Then on the 30th, there were reports of an epidemic! Swine flu hysteria broke out and spread across Europe.

The symptoms resembled a horrible sudden viral pneumonia that causes victims to drown in their own fluids from heavy internal bleeding. These sudden lethal symptoms of hemorrhagic pneumonia are similar to the 1918 flu pandemic. They are not current swine flu symptoms!

Just before Ukraine's pneumonic plague, there were many reports of small aircraft and helicopters spraying unidentified aerosols over populated areas. The aerosols made breathing difficult for those exposed. The government denied this activity. Remember Joseph Moshe's warning?

And now martial law is being enforced in Ukraine, with quarantines and anti vaccination activists being arrested! Mass vaccinations may come soon.

Conclusion

Ukraine could be the launching pad for a man-made pandemic with morbidity. Why? Do your own research!


http://www.naturalnews.com/027535_sw...c_Ukraine.html
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:08 AM   #21
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Just before Ukraine's pneumonic plague, there were many reports of small aircraft and helicopters spraying unidentified aerosols over populated areas. The aerosols made breathing difficult for those exposed. The government denied this activity. Remember Joseph Moshe's warning?
sounds a little far fetched to me.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:33 AM   #22
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Like any country they try and downplay any "problems" to not a cause a panic,but the WHO organization sent in a team of 20 doctors to try and contain the out break,if its not possible to contain the outbreak Ukraine will be a no fly zone.No one going it or coming out.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:36 AM   #23
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holy shit .. **** H1N1
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:07 PM   #25
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^^^^haahahaha!
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:11 PM   #26
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im not a big fan of natural news.


sounds a little far fetched to me.
read the baltimore chronical article, thats even more detailed/ far fetched

natural news broke the contaminated baxter vaccine back in feb iirc

crazy stuff


now at 362+

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The Health Ministry of Ukraine has confirmed 362 deaths of influenza and acute respiratory viral infections in 24 regions, the city of Kyiv, the city of Sevastopol, and in Crimea as of November 20

As Ukrainian News earlier reported, the Health Ministry confirmed 356 deaths of influenza and acute respiratory viral infections in 24 regions, the city of Kyiv, the city of Sevastopol, and in Crimea as of November 19http://www.ukranews.com/eng/article/232584.html
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:49 PM   #27
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now go and search how many people die from a regular flue which is not reported on the news. Its just propaganda to sell vaccines.
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Old 11-21-2009, 01:29 PM   #29
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there so many problems which can be viewed as disastrous which just not aired on the news from Hunger in Africa to child abuse or prostitution, its just not on TV, now imagine they would give it just as much attention and coverage... they use Media straight to their interest. Thats why when i moved to a new condo I didnt even bother connecting cable tv lol
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Old 11-30-2009, 08:32 PM   #30
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now go and search how many people die from a regular flue which is not reported on the news. Its just propaganda to sell vaccines.
on avg its about 30-60K global, on a really bad year the regular seasonal flu kills 200K!!

I agree with you back when the mexico thing broke out! there was hype hype hype 24/7, then the vaccine campaign. but not to many were dying and it was like whats the 'worry' about? then we had all summer, but in late oct Boom. now people are dying over there rapidly (enough) with reports of oddities like bleading lungs, hemoraging & what not! and its Not really being reported on at all??

now ^whats up with that^? its like the media lulled every1 into a calm state of 'I don't care its all B.S' while now the real potential worry is really present!










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Demographic information for Ukraine fatalities linked to D225G receptor binding in H1N1 mutation



The receptor binding domain (RBD) for the Ukraine H1N1 mutation, D225G, has been linked to fatal cases of swine flu infection. Demographic and genetic analysis for the H1N1 mutation taking place in the Ukraine virus has been published by Mill Hill, the London laboratory that performed testing on samples from the Ukraine. D225G is the same RBD that was found in the virus that caused the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak.

H1N1 mutation fatalities
According to this analysis of the Mill Hill lab information, each of the fatal cases of flu from the Ukraine virus contained this marker. D225G is the name for the receptor binding domain of this particular virus. A virus attaches to charged molecules on host cells, but each type of virus attaches to a different type of molecule, in a different way. The H1N1 mutation found in the Ukraine attaches in the same place, in the same way, as the Spanish flu virus from 1918.

Detection of the H1N1 mutation
While positive results for the H1N1 virus with D225G are not widespread, this may be the result of the methods of testing. Tests for swine flu typically consist of a nasal swab, which is unlikely to pick up this mutated virus, due to its location. The H1N1 mutation that is causing fatalities in the Ukraine and Norway affects the respiratory system, and is found deep in the lungs.


http://www.examiner.com/x-29228-LA-H...-H1N1-mutation
would the current h1n1 vaccine even stop the mutated form of h1n1? probably NO?



Health Ministry: Flu, pneumonia kill 424 people in Ukraine
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/

nov20th its: 362 - as of nov 27/28th: 424
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