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Old 10-10-2017, 04:56 AM   #1
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Worth fixing? E39 530



Hello everyone!

It seems like the end of my E39 530 is near! This really is a bummer!
Especially when I look at what cars are on the market!

I don't like most of the new stuff, and if I am interested in anything that remotely satisfies upgrading from the E39, it is either new and really expensive! like some Mercedes Benzs, Range Rovers, Perhaps even if I was to go crazy a Dodge Viper, But I need the room so at least a sedan!

Newer BMW don't do it for me, and finding a clean E39 (M5 preferably) or even an E32, is near damn impossible! (Yeah BimmerHeaven has a beautiful E32 - 750, however he wants a suitcase of money hahaha! )

Therefor I am looking for some help in figuring out what the best course of action is at this point, I am stuck between my mechanic telling me that the engine is going to go, and it is not worth fixing, and between my gut feeling that it might be a VANOS issue.. My mechanic is not a specialist but he is a decent mechanic non the less, I am going to start by posting a video and see what you guys think!


In the video it is not really that clear where the noise is coming from, but I am 200% sure the loud ticking noise is coming from the VANOS Area, I put my ear against the cover by the vanos, and my ear almost pop from the noise, put my head at the back where the rear end of the engine is, I just hear normal humming!

Could I be right? what do you guys think!? Here is the video:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/wcc3tdfiNicEXFI12


Car has 260K
Been very well maintained by me since 152K over the 6 years that I owned it
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:31 PM   #2
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First, get a second opinion from someone who is highly specialized on those cars. If they are still not sure, a used vanos is $100, and not much to install, well worth the gamble IMO. Worst case, a low 530i engine is $1500, and you are good for another 200K+...All comes down to how much you like the car.

PS, I don't have any E32's...(not that I am selling anyways!), the 750il is an E38
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:11 AM   #3
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1500 bucks haha okay. He said 530, not m3. m54 not s52.
Anyway, to the point. You didnt blip the revs or rev it, so if that knocking increases with higher revs, I would say VANOS. Other than that, if it is a bit of a more deeper mechanical sound from deep within the engine the sound would remind me of an s54 engine with rod bearing failure. That's real bad. Or it could be a lose sparkplug. My m52, similar engine, made a bad VANOS like sound with a loose sparkplug once. All three of these scenarios I can think of had faster knocking with faster revs. In my m52 I felt the loose gear clunking around in the VANOS valve cover area with my hand against it.

Step 1 Compression test? maybe that will tell you something
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:41 AM   #4
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^^^I am saying a known low milage clean motor, not Kijiji special "Yo bro trust me bro this engine is 80K bro"
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:21 PM   #5
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^^^aww but i am the kijiji guy that says " yo bro bmw engines don't last bro. Buy low km bro. Don't compression test my engine bro. Its low km. Price is worth it bro."

Yeah, sure, okay, haha. Higher mileage m5x engines don't scare anyone that knows these engines.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:33 AM   #6
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I forgot to mention a very important fact which could indicate a more specific problem! The car was going through oil like nothing! I did an oil change, and after only 3 days of driving, I had to refill about 1.5 liters! That is when the noise started happening, even though I checked the oil level and it wasn't completely dry, it was a touch below the minimum.

I personally blamed this on the stupid aftermarket CCV that my mechanic replaced about a year ago without asking me if I want aftermarket or original! and since it had warranty I sadly went with it!

Could the above be an indication to why this may have happened?




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First, get a second opinion from someone who is highly specialized on those cars. If they are still not sure, a used vanos is $100, and not much to install, well worth the gamble IMO. Worst case, a low 530i engine is $1500, and you are good for another 200K+...All comes down to how much you like the car.

PS, I don't have any E32's...(not that I am selling anyways!), the 750il is an E38
I will see if I can find someone in my area, Kitchener/Waterloo area, as for shelling out $1500 + ~$1000 labor (if not more), I don't think it is worth that much, I would rather start looking into buying an e39 M5 by next summer

Damn! I meant the E38!, hahaha



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1500 bucks haha okay. He said 530, not m3. m54 not s52.
Anyway, to the point. You didnt blip the revs or rev it, so if that knocking increases with higher revs, I would say VANOS. Other than that, if it is a bit of a more deeper mechanical sound from deep within the engine the sound would remind me of an s54 engine with rod bearing failure. That's real bad. Or it could be a lose sparkplug. My m52, similar engine, made a bad VANOS like sound with a loose sparkplug once. All three of these scenarios I can think of had faster knocking with faster revs. In my m52 I felt the loose gear clunking around in the VANOS valve cover area with my hand against it.

Step 1 Compression test? maybe that will tell you something
Don't trust "certified" mechanics

With higher revving, it does actually start ticking a little louder and faster, however, after running the car for a little while, the noise drops a bit and sometimes even goes away for a few seconds

I also used a "stethoscope" and put it against every bolt of the engine, and any tiny space I could reach the engine from, again very smooth humming from the engine all over the place but the Vanos area was again very loud!


As much as I would like to take the car to a specialist, I don't want to waste too much money on it anymore especially if it is a major problem, I would rather part it out!

I am basically trying to diagnose the problem in order to decide what I am going to do with the car, because I do not believe in what my mechanic told me, and if the problem is in fact a vanos problem, I am confident I should be able to tackle the problem myself, with a bit of research and help from forums here and there, especially that I have gone through the vanos maintenance procedure successfully before from beisansystems.com, about 2 to 3 years ago and haven't had any problems since!
http://www.beisansystems.com/procedu..._procedure.htm

I will definitely do the compression test and see what numbers I get!
I did scan the car and got the same O2 Sensors that I had on for a few months, no new codes :/





Thank you guys for the replays!
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:33 PM   #7
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It all depends on how much you love your car, and how much do you love modern cars. I have the same car (2003 530i) and I L.O.V.E it...it's actually my 3rd E39! I can't stand modern cars including BMW's; the only modern BMW I like are the E90's 330i, 328i. They are reliable, practical, and fairly engaging to drive. Everything else is a money pit or a boat!

I personally would fix it but first you need to take it to someone who knows his stuff. I recommend Rocco from RMP Motors. He knows the E39's inside-out. He is busy though so be patient if you don't get an appointment right away.

Good luck!

PS: Your car is a beauty!
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