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Old 09-04-2010, 02:17 AM   #61
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Try this with your e36 lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d-8OReliXg
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:17 AM   #62
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Try this with your e36 lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d-8OReliXg
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:35 AM   #63
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AWD = UNDERSTEER + EXTRA WEIGHT + MORE PARTS(someone said ealier that's bad ) = FAIL !!!!!!!!
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:21 AM   #64
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that video is ridiculous and would be different for another set of cars..
no it isn't and no it wouldn't.

if you're an awd fan that's great, but if you try to argue awd wins over rwd you're gonna lose.

That video depicts PERFECTLY the difference between all 3.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:11 AM   #65
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have you ever driven a proper awd car?
its not that cut n dry. sorry to break it to you.
does your ix handle like that? yup? a talon? yup? an audi a4 of that gen? yup.

but there are many other awd cars that dont do that. and a wack of fwd cars that dont behave like that.

to think that video is the end all be all comparo between the different configurations is laughable at best.

I can appreciate all the configurations... before you have coronary.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:28 AM   #66
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show me a better video then.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:36 AM   #67
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Oh noes look at all that understeer

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Old 09-04-2010, 11:41 AM   #68
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Oh noes look at all that understeer
I hope everyone understands the sarcasm here lol
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:48 AM   #69
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have you ever driven a proper awd car?
its not that cut n dry. sorry to break it to you.
does your ix handle like that? yup? a talon? yup? an audi a4 of that gen? yup.

but there are many other awd cars that dont do that. and a wack of fwd cars that dont behave like that.

to think that video is the end all be all comparo between the different configurations is laughable at best.

I can appreciate all the configurations... before you have coronary.
Name the examples and how they have overcome the inherent oversteer in the fwd and awd systems, without getting into way overpriced high end exotics that no one can afford
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:00 PM   #70
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Guys, why don't we start a different thread for this deviation... RWD vs FWD vs AWD.

All this guys was askin' was to get an e30 or e36... :-)
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OMG you posted a ****ing rally video?

lols.

might as well have just posted an awd in winter.

The argument here is pushing the cars limits on dry pavement.

If someone can show/prove that awd is better than rwd I'd love to see it.
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:31 PM   #72
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that video is ridiculous and would be different for another set of cars..
OMG........here we go. Firstly, I AM a performance driving school instructor. So I do know a thing or two...........hell, I teach it, and am actively involved in the development of the curriculum.

Secondly, that video is spot on. Comparing like cars in those configurations will produce exactly what you see in that video at the limit.
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:41 PM   #73
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have you ever driven a proper awd car?
its not that cut n dry. sorry to break it to you.
does your ix handle like that? yup? a talon? yup? an audi a4 of that gen? yup.

but there are many other awd cars that dont do that. and a wack of fwd cars that dont behave like that.

to think that video is the end all be all comparo between the different configurations is laughable at best.

I can appreciate all the configurations... before you have coronary.
I think you should stop while you're behind. You mention all of the typical awd cars that do handle like that and then you state many others don't! Yet you fail to mention even one that doesn't...........hmmmmmmmm, why? Because there isn't one, even the ever coveted GT-R, EVO-10, Scubi Doo STi all understeer wildly at the limit unless it is coaxed into oversteer using certain technics unlike the Scandinavian flick, or e-brake pull or are on a slippery surface unlike a racetrack or city streets in the dry. But of course that isn't the fast way around a turn which is why rwd is superior in a performance driving environment. The law of physics do not allow a vehicle that has some sort or propelling from the front to also grip laterally at the front, since traction is being shared between going and turning. The tires only have so much grip.
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:52 PM   #74
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Hey BigD thank-you for proving my point. Rallying on slippery surfaces. But for the keen eye if you watch that video that BigD posted you WILL see understeer! When those rally cars enter a turn you can see the driver turn in but nothing happens, then turn in again with a jab of the throttle and then the car starts to rotate. This all happens in a matter of a second but the point is if the driver didn't manipulate the car into oversteer, they would just drive right over the cliff.......lol. But seriously, that is the driver "DRIVING" the car, not the car oversteering because that is what it does. And keep in mind this is with cars that have suspension set ups designed to do this, with hundreds of horsepower and on a slippery surface. Real life is not like this.
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:22 PM   #75
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If you turn in on a dirt surface at that speed, you'll get understeer in anything. And I didn't intend to parallel a group B car to a stock a4. My only implicit point is that absolutist statements are almost invariably wrong in one context or another (and in he context of a dirt rally, they don't pick awd because it understeers and gives worse car control). If the presenters of that show wanted to, they could have picked a test condition which would have favored the audi, and I know I'm preaching to the choir telling you that. To each his own, whatever favors your driving style, conditions or simply, preference. There's no always-best, that's all I'm saying. (sorry for any spelling errors, posting from phone)
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