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Old 10-13-2009, 12:50 AM   #1
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335i turbo failures....



Looks like the BMW 335 guys are finding out what the Audi S4 guys found out a long time ago. Small turbo's + too much boost = blown turbos. Of course there are other factors, but if you're not ready to pay don't play!! From e90post.com -

I mentioned last week that some higher boost cars were having turbo failures. One had the V2, downpipes, intake, and catback. BMW investigated and denied warranty coverage after finding "evidence" of tampering, so the owner had to approve $14800 of work "so far". If the engine has to be replaced, tack on about another $15000. The engine block alone is $11,845 (pt#11-00-0-415-278). I looked all this up initially, because I wanted to know how much it would cost to replace my engine if I blew it up. What I didn't realize is that you can spend another $14,000+ when you have to replace your turbos, and catalytic converters, etc. $30,000 is definitely something that gets your attention. As I said, the DME records everything from exhaust valve disconnect, implausible throttle angle/boost, misfires, battery disconnects, and even light bulb removals. I have also heard other cars in which the turbos have become noisey (whine) after usage at higher boost levels. I really think tunes that boost at anything above what Dinan recommended, (12-13 psi?) will start destroying your turbos.





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http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ght=turbo+lady
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:03 AM   #2
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Wow, that's may be hard to detect on the used car market. Word to the wise on any turbos in general.
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:44 AM   #3
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This is old news with turbo cars. This has happened with the mazda 323gt of the '80's, then most notably with the Talons/laser turbos, but lets not forget about the 1st gen. Ford Probe GT. Countless others too. Most of these cars are set conservatively from the factory, BUT, are not meant to be boosted to within an inch of their lives! So often, this is seen in the used car market. Used Turbo buyers beware!
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:03 AM   #4
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This is old news with turbo cars. This has happened with the mazda 323gt of the '80's, then most notably with the Talons/laser turbos, but lets not forget about the 1st gen. Ford Probe GT. Countless others too. Most of these cars are set conservatively from the factory, BUT, are not meant to be boosted to within an inch of their lives! So often, this is seen in the used car market. Used Turbo buyers beware!
A lot of people aren't aware of issues like this. This is exactly what gave the 2.7T Audi S4 a bad 'rep' in the used car market.

And also, these kinds of failures will surface without tuning on the 335i alone because of driving style. Not allowing oil to get up to proper operating temps is the number one thing that people don't realize is so very important to keeping their turbos alive. Especially when you have to very small turbos and it's even more important if you have a tune!
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:31 AM   #5
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I thought it was common sence, if you want to run big boost.. upgrade to a turbo that can handle it.

What size turbo comes on the 335 anyway?
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Old 10-13-2009, 11:30 AM   #6
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I thought it was common sence, if you want to run big boost.. upgrade to a turbo that can handle it.

What size turbo comes on the 335 anyway?
335i's use MHI TD03 turbos (PN: TD03L4W-10TK3-4.9)

http://www.mhi.co.jp/en/products/det...ification.html


To put it into perspective the scubby sti's use a single TD04 turbo.
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Old 10-13-2009, 01:10 PM   #7
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335i's use MHI TD03 turbos (PN: TD03L4W-10TK3-4.9)

http://www.mhi.co.jp/en/products/det...ification.html


To put it into perspective the scubby sti's use a single TD04 turbo.
Yeah I dont understand why people are trying to accomplish big boost from those, why not go with a big single?

Even the scoobie guys upgrade to a bigger turbo.
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Old 10-13-2009, 01:15 PM   #8
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^^^ That is all easier said then done. Most people who have a 335i don't want to spend the big money to do a big single conversion (I'm not even aware that there is an available kit for that matter) and then what do you do with the engine management?

Also most people think if something blows up on their modded 335 that they can just take off the mods and the dealer won't know a thing. But according to the posts in the above thread (e90post) it's quite clear the BMW's DME is VERY clever and they're still able to determine if there has been tampering going on.
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:36 PM   #9
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But according to the posts in the above thread (e90post) it's quite clear the BMW's DME is VERY clever and they're still able to determine if there has been tampering going on.
Yes, they do know.

Anything beyond Dinan tuning and your SOL.

There are times they make an exception, but that doesn't happen too often.
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I agree with NV. iF 335 GUYS wanted to blow cash on the upgrades, they could have gone with the M as well.
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I wonder when warranty ends if 335 will be worse car then some early models E46? Lol I think I have made up my mind not to go with a used car on my next purchase.
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Old 10-13-2009, 06:11 PM   #13
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All they need to do is get the turbo rebuild on better spec. Td03 turbos are not as common as others and mainly used for bikes, but i am sure a new compressor wheel and a modified turbine wheel to increase airflow and boost pressure will be an easy and relatively cheap mod.
Otherwise upgrade them to a slightly larger Mitsubishi turbo(not sure what the next step up is...tdo4???)
Personally i would do a single turbo as i never was a fan of twin turbos.
Any turbo at high boost will eventually break.
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Old 10-13-2009, 06:18 PM   #14
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I know it's your opinion, but wow... heck no lol
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I don't know why but turbos never really appealed to me. I guess I just get sick of all the blow off valves I hear over the summer lol.
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