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Old 01-23-2006, 08:21 PM   #61
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^^ no but in near death (drowning) and can't explain what I felt, but remember every moment/feeling clearly as if yesterday.
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Old 01-23-2006, 09:16 PM   #62
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It wasnt just carried out by a "misguided group of people" it was heads of churches as well as heads of state from the middle ages up to now. You must of skipped alot of history classes back in school


How many wars would you like to discuss from the crusades up to the Protestant Catholic struggle to what is happening in Sudan. etc etc
Allow me to define "misguided" before you go into your History lesson.
Misguided: Based or acting on error; misled: well-intentioned but misguided efforts; Therefore my statement is the same as yours. To be misguided, a leader must tell you the wrong direction to go in (i.e. Hitler, Bush, etc.). The churches of that time were so corrupt that they made traditions, laws and accusations only to benefit their pocket books.

When you are on the outside of the true belief in God, it is easy to associate the travesties of "religious groups" to the true faith. There are very few similarities.
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Old 01-23-2006, 09:27 PM   #63
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Religion is bullshit.

Im a so called Roman Catholic polack...There isn't an allah, god, hokey pokey that puts you on this earth, or formed anything. It all comes together itself...
Religion is a hope, for those that are weak and seek a mentor. Its not a bad thing. Some people really need it....Church is a crock of shit. You have your god apointed priest pedophiles?? Sorry, i don't like standing, kneeling, and listening to an individual that dedicates his whole life to "god"...
My question is...if you feel so strongly that it is BS...why do you go? Just to please someone else?? I mean, this is one of the defnitions of insanity (i.e. foolishness). Therefore, you are not as strong as you think...in fact, you are the weak that you referenced to in your post.

You know what, I think I would feel the same about religion if church was a bunch of Latin hymns, kneeling and mumbling, a priest who is not supposed to be married (which results in sexual immorality) and a couple Hail Marys.

If you (or anyone) are ever near Atlanta, you are welcome to come to church with me. When you see lives change as much as I have, you will see that it isn't a load of crap.
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Old 01-23-2006, 09:31 PM   #64
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It wasnt just about the pocketbook but rather about absolute power where the King of the time was deemed to be ordained by God himself. King and church for awhile were one.

All religions will claim their intentions are just one time or another and as far as corruption goes it exists like it always has. So how can one say what is the true belief of God.
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Old 01-23-2006, 09:46 PM   #65
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Money and power can be intertwined. I know what their intentions were.

There is no way to explain it on paper on how you feel when you truly believe Whaddup...you will have to experience it for yourself. As I mentioned before, when you see lives change, good coming from bad and your ability to bounce back from adversity, you will know it is because of your faith.
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:27 AM   #66
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If you (or anyone) are ever near Atlanta, you are welcome to come to church with me. When you see lives change as much as I have, you will see that it isn't a load of crap.
That's true, lives do change, but that's not because there is a person above saying "your healed". It's somethign for people to believe in.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:05 AM   #67
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That's true, lives do change, but that's not because there is a person above saying "your healed". It's somethign for people to believe in.
Then why do those lives change? You don't see lives changing in prison or a psychiatric ward?
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:18 AM   #68
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Also discuss how in the name of religion (all types) has been responsible for so much bloodshed and how these acts were justified as God's will. This relates to most religions not any particular one. Just thought this would add to other questions about religion and its impact on humanity and history through out time.
guns dont kill people .. people kill people .. i mean religion doesnt kill people ..
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:25 AM   #69
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I remember clearly (when i was like 5 or so) I was thinking to myself, quite often "God Sucks".... For no reason. I dunno why... I was feeling guilty about it because I was brought up in a Christian family, we went to church sometimes. I don't know why this happened, and I thought that I will go to hell. But maybe I was thinking subconsciously, and couldn't restrain it for some reason. I also never told my parents about this.

I also used to pray, when I was very young but I did it so rarely because I felt I was talking to nothing, When I look at a cross or a image of God, I just see a picture....

Am I going to hell? Was I born without something that everyone else has?


lol...I know I'm beating a dead horse, time to sleep...
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:31 AM   #70
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Religion is bullshit.

Im a so called Roman Catholic polack.. i see life as a thing of science. Revolutionized and prospered. Reproduction in both animals, humans, ecosystems of every kind is the form of science.. There isn't an allah, god, hokey pokey that puts you on this earth, or formed anything. It all comes together itself.

Religion is a hope, for those that are weak and seek a mentor. Its not a bad thing. Some people really need it....

Church is a crock of shit. You have your god apointed priest pedophiles?? Sorry, i don't like standing, kneeling, and listening to an individual that dedicates his whole life to "god"... infact, polish church is just a fashion show anyway.. people come to show off really.


When you die, you go into an eternal sleep. Tonight when you pass out, you won't know when, you won't know how. But you will wake up 9 hours later (hopefully) and start a new day. Cherrish that people. And live your life like its your last day.. because its short. (okay thats depressing.)


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PS- Allah is related to Osama bin laden.. i saw hten at whisky go go yesterday.
I feel sorry for you .. dont you think dying and not existing anymore is a bit more scary then heaven and hell. At least your somewhere .. a soul that exists.

All scientists (the greatest ones) believed in God in the end. They came up with theories but still could figure out certain things. For example .. the big bang theory .. for the big bang to happen .. time would have to exist .. if the big bang was the first thing to happen how did it explode if there was no time.

Science is just to young to understand Religion. Funny thing is is that science is looking for the same questions and answers "why are we here" "what is the meaning of life" and it just ends up proving that there is a God.

Lets not forget the bible was written by man and translated a couple of times. The language back then was very simple and they did not have names for everything like we do today. The Bible is a guildline ... not to be taken word for word .. get what you want from it..
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:45 AM   #71
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I find it very strange and funnny that it's always an atheist who brings up these type of threads in all different forums over the internet .. like there looking for something .. they want an answer because they need closure or an exact fact ... because they are unhappy with the answer they have.

Never have I seen a catholic (i know other religions do) try to change someone or push there beliefs. Why do Atheists push so hard to try to change someone .. what does it matter to them?
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Then why do those lives change? You don't see lives changing in prison or a psychiatric ward?
Are you kidding me? Sure, not every con has a change, not every psyco has a change AND not every "born-again (fill in the blank with a religion here)" completes a change for the better either.

All I'm saying is that "religion", no matter which one you are a part of, boils down to the same thing. Which is just something for people to believe in, to have faith and hope.
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again, religion and faith must be recognized as two seperate things. faith is your belief in something, religion is the man-made set of rules outlining wat you must do to reinforce that belief
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:22 PM   #74
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Are you kidding me? Sure, not every con has a change, not every psyco has a change AND not every "born-again (fill in the blank with a religion here)" completes a change for the better either.
I definitely wouldn't kid about something like this. A person who is "born again" has completed a change. A major change. Although, they can change back to being the way they were when they realize just how hard it is to be a "believer" and they are swayed by non-believers. This road is not for the weak minded.

I have never seen a person who is truly born again and did not change for the better....NEVER!

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again, religion and faith must be recognized as two seperate things. faith is your belief in something, religion is the man-made set of rules outlining wat you must do to reinforce that belief
Excellent point! You can be religious and do the traditions I mentioned before or you can be faithful or a believer and truly become Christ-like!
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