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Old 11-09-2005, 01:28 AM   #16
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Just picked up for the beast 4 Dunlop M3 in 235/45-17 for a fantastic deal $600 out the door!
Also have the same tire for my 99 Accord in 205/55-16 but paid $700 out the door from a different shop.
Both are new this season so haven't got them on the car as yet.

For my 05 Odyssey, I have Bridgestone Blizzacks (unfortunately that is the ONLY tire I can get in the stock size 235/65-16) and they are very decent.
I think I paid $900+ for them.
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:54 PM   #17
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Holy crap, all you guys are using 235's for winter tires! Narrower tires are better in snow than fat ones!
agree.. go down a size if brake clearance is not a problem.. there is a reason for this car to run that narrow tire..

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Old 11-18-2005, 11:18 PM   #18
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Holy crap, all you guys are using 235's for winter tires! Narrower tires are better in snow than fat ones!
Lol.. I have 225 and 245 on 17s on my M Coupe.
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Old 11-25-2005, 11:49 PM   #19
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Mitch X-ICE $ 480 + Black Rims $ 240
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:06 AM   #20
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dtthiaga - great write-up... very informative.
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Old 12-01-2005, 12:32 AM   #21
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On my 530 I use P225,50R16 Bridgestone Blizzaks on old BMW OEM alloys. Got 'em on eBay from a dude in Toronto who works at BMW Toronto for $650 all-in, including shipping. Tires were used only one season with lotsa tread...

A good deal! That said, I try not to drive it unless it is dry on the roads...use the X5 for that!

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Old 12-13-2005, 05:53 AM   #22
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Winter Tire Buying Guide updated.

Consider that 80% of winter driving is done in the DRY !!! Now thatís when your highest percentage of accidents will occur. Too soft is just stupid. The side walls roll and your car handles like your dads Cadillac. The cheaper the tires the softer the side wall. Lower speed rating = soft side wall. Higher speed = better dry driving. Like anything else in life the more you pay the better the product. Here are my choices through experience.

NOTE: Winter tires that meet the industry's severe snow service requirements are branded with the snowflake-on-the-mountain symbol.

NOTE. Many winter tires are Dual Compound. This means they are made of two different compounds. The first one. Very Soft with plenty of snow and ice traction but once you burn through the first 50% of the tire, you are left with a very hard all season compound. This means that most Dual Compound tires are Amazing in the first year but for the remaining 3 seasons of tread....you are stuck with a crappy all season radial tire that you once swore was the best tire ever. Tire companies do this for two main reasons. The first is to make it seem like the tires last for a good length of time. Second is that it helps keep the stability of the tires. If the tire is made totally of soft compound then it will not handle well stopping or turning. Also it will melt down in no time. Lets face it. Who the hell wants to pay for a tire that only last one season? So your research guys. It will pay off in the end.

Also keep in mind that Winter tires have a shelf life. They will lose their softness and become hockey puck hard by the 4th year of use. By the 6th year ( if they last that long ) you will see hairline cracking between the treads and they will make crazy road noise !!

1) Dunlop M3s Expensive, Best performance winter tire I'd ever driven. Sold out almost everywhere for a good reason.

Dry - 10/10 The BEST!! Hands down
Wet- 9/10 Very Good
Light Snow- 9/10 Very good
Deep snow- 9/10
Ice- 8/10
Noise- 9/10

2) Michelin Alpine Sport The King of Expensive. Great overall softer ride then the M3s

Dry- 9/10
Wet-9/10
Light Snow- 8/10
Deep snow- 8/10
Ice- 8/10
Noise- 9/10

3) Pirelli Winter 210s A fair price but still expensive.

Dry- 9/10
Wet-9/10
Light Snow- 8/10
Deep snow- 7/10
Ice- 7/10
Noise- 9/10

These dont like to be taken on and off rims! Do it more then twice and I will promise you a sidewall bubble !!

4) Toyo Observe G0-2 Plus Maybe a dual compound. Cant remember.....I'm getting old !

Dry- 7/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 8/10
Deep snow- 8/10
Ice- 7/10
Noise- 7/10

5) Toyo Observe G0-2 Maybe a dual compound. Cant remember.....I'm getting old ! This has a soft side wall. Not a great handling tire.

Dry- 6/10
Wet-7/10
Light Snow- 8/10
Deep snow- 7/10
Ice- 7/10
Noise- 6/10

6) Nokian Hakkapilitas 2 Perfect for Extreme weather but weak in the dry.

Dry- 6/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 9/10
Deep snow- 9/10
Ice- 8/10
Noise- 5/10

7) Michelin X-Ice Great in Extreme weather but weaker in the dry. Not as loud as the Nokian in the Dry. A great all around non-high performance tire. These like to Hydro Plane in slush.

Dry- 7/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 9/10
Deep snow- 9/10
Ice- 9/10
Noise- 7/10

8) Blizzak WS-50 Dual compound I think... Great for the first season but soft on the handling. Better suited to lighter cars.

Dry- 6/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 9/10
Deep snow- 8/10
Ice- 9/10
Noise- 7/10

9) Nokia Gislaved NORDFROST 3 A great tire for the price. Volvo OEM recommended winter tire. A soft ride. Great for family cars. Last pretty long. Best Bang for the buck ! Make sure the lips on your rims are cleaned well before these tires are mounted. They will leak otherwise !!!!

Dry- 7/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 9/10
Deep snow- 8/10
Ice- 7/10
Noise- 8/10

10) Viking Snow Tech From the price point this is just as good as the Nokia tires. A great economical winter tire. I know alot of people that are happy with this tire. Consumers Report gave this tire 2nd place. It wouldn't be my second place tire but who the hell am I anyways? Besides...I'm not on a budget.

Dry- 7/10
Wet-7/10
Light Snow- 7/10
Deep snow- 7/10
Ice- 7/10
Noise- 7/10

11) ContiWinterContact TS790 dual compound I think.... A pretty average winter tire.

Dry- 8/10
Wet-7/10
Light Snow- 7/10
Deep snow- 6/10
Ice- 6/10
Noise- 8/10


12) Kuhmo KW19 A very average winter tire. Sure why not buy it. Its economical and a hell of alot better then no winter tires at all. Once again...very average.

Dry- 7/10
Wet-6/10
Light Snow- 7/10
Deep snow- 6/10
Ice- 6/10
Noise- 8/10

13) Hankook W300 Ice Bear A very Average nothing special. Good pricing.

Dry- 7/10
Wet-6/10
Light Snow- 7/10
Deep snow- 6/10
Ice- 6/10
Noise- 7/10

14) Goodyear Utra Grip Ice, its a dual compound tire which means its usable ice traction is only about 50% of the actual tread. I dont know about you....but I like to get a winter tire when I pay for one and not 50% of a winter tire. So my answer is no Goodyear

Dry- 8/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 8/10
Deep snow- 8/10
Ice- 9/10
Noise- 7/10

15)Nokian RSI is a great non-studable tire. A very quiet tire that rides like an all-season tire.

Dry- 9/10
Wet-8/10
Light Snow- 8/10
Deep snow- 7/10
Ice- 8/10
Noise- 9/10

16) Pirelli Winter Carving This is my Favorite overall tire choice. So far I only have about 3000 klm on them but so far I've been super impressed. These ride like an OEM all-season tire. Not as sporty as the Dunlop M3s but better in all other conditions.

Dry- 9/10
Wet-9/10
Light Snow- 9/10
Deep snow- 8.5/10
Ice- 9/10
Noise- 9/10



Hope this helps guys.

FINAL THOUGHTS !!!

Keep in mind snow tires will not work for IDIOT DRIVERS! Snow tires can provide up to 40% more traction then All Season tires but are not perfect.

Think about this......at 100 klm/hour if you could stop 40% faster thatís about 2 car lengths. How many times will you just stop in time on your all season tires this winter? Lets just say winters make sense and are way cheaper then an insurance claim that you will pay for in the many years to come. Also think about how you can help to save lives. The question isÖ.can you afford not to have winter tires this season?

Drive Safe all !!!



PLEASE NOTE THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION THROUGH EXPERIENCED OWNERSHIP. Please forgive any mis-spellings. For goodness sake its almost 4 am !!
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Old 12-13-2005, 10:20 AM   #23
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Holy crap, great post. I wouldn't debate any of your ratings, they seem exactly in line with reputable comparisons I've seen.

May I ask, how did you get to test all of them?
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:44 PM   #24
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Great post tigger.

Any idea if the Mich X-Ice is dual compound?

Just paid $989 for my set for my X3, and i'll be a bit pissed if the "good" compound lasts only 1 season.

I agree with your assessment of the Mich X-Ice, it's been great in the Ottawa snow and ice so far, especially with AWD. A bit squishy in the dry, like you said, and feels "floaty" above 120km/h, but great overall.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:13 PM   #25
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The X-Ice is single compound.
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:04 PM   #26
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I loath my rear Blizzaks now. Soft compound was absolutely awesome, but now it's just "meh."
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