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Old 12-31-2003, 11:27 PM   #16
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in my opinion its very useful on the street. For example...when im about to hit an on ramp to get on to the highway, i will need to accelerate hard at the end in order to meet traffic at the right speed. Therefore when im approaching the ramp, i will "heel/toe" in order to shift SMOOTHLY from 4th to 3rd. After performing heel and toe i will be in 3rd gear smoothly and in high revs ready to floor it once i hit the highway.

there are lots of uses for this....mainly its for the track
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Old 12-31-2003, 11:44 PM   #17
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true heel and toe involves braking dude and is not required for 3rd gear on the street.

Randy: Am I wrong here? (given normal driving conditions?)
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Old 01-01-2004, 12:49 AM   #18
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true heel and toe involves braking dude and is not required for 3rd gear on the street.

Randy: Am I wrong here? (given normal driving conditions?)

yeah it does,
i dunno why would you do it on the ramp and i dont see any point of heel and toe during regular street driving.

i sometime do big toe/small toe, but i think releasing clutch slowly is much smoother.

dunno how badly it is on the clutch though

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Old 01-01-2004, 05:07 AM   #19
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in my opinion its very useful on the street. For example...when im about to hit an on ramp to get on to the highway, i will need to accelerate hard at the end in order to meet traffic at the right speed. Therefore when im approaching the ramp, i will "heel/toe" in order to shift SMOOTHLY from 4th to 3rd. After performing heel and toe i will be in 3rd gear smoothly and in high revs ready to floor it once i hit the highway.

there are lots of uses for this....mainly its for the track
I thought heel toe was to keep the car stable while braking- as hard engine braking will slow the rear wheels faster than the fronts which might cause a spin (or cause the front wheels to momentarly lose traction on FWD cars).
All braking and downshifting should be taken care before the corner- gas starts like, 1/3 into the corner.

Anyhow- I found that under 100km/h, the brakes would slow the car fast enough that engine braking would have little effect with normal downshifts. Above 100km/h and downshifts start to become a little more jerky- and every time I had to do an emergency brake at highway speeds- I would mash the brake and the clutch in- actually, I do that anytime I have to brake fast- it's second nature to prevent a stall I guess...

I'm still trying...but it's difficult as the gas pedal sticks out like, half an inch more than the brake when released...it's like- anti heel toe...grrr...and that non-adjustable steering wheel!
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Old 01-01-2004, 06:56 AM   #20
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dunno how badly it is on the clutch though
i do that as well..it all depends on the situation for me...
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Old 01-01-2004, 11:47 AM   #21
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Spudboy and Sickfinga, heel-toeing is always better/smoother then not doing it. It's easier on the clutch and on the driveline when done properly.

Even if I'm not braking, I still revmatch into a gear when downshifting to prevent the forward jerk you get from the engine trying to catch up to the wheel speed.

The only gear I don't usually heel-toe into is 1st because more often then not I'll come to a complete stop in 2nd, then shift into 1st while stopped.
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Old 01-01-2004, 02:05 PM   #22
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Old 01-01-2004, 07:20 PM   #23
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You don't really need to heel and toe all the time. Use single clutch then brake for normal driving. Unless you are coming to a fast turn then you use heel and toe to second for the turn.
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Old 01-01-2004, 08:16 PM   #24
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Even if I'm not braking, I still revmatch into a gear when downshifting to prevent the forward jerk you get from the engine trying to catch up to the wheel speed.
Yah this is what I enjoy doing, and if you have a nice exhaust it sounds sick

I've enver attempted heel toe,
I still don't really unnderstand it, but I often use big toe little toe
It is MUCH easier to do it smoothly with an exhaust I noticed. I found it much easier with my 325is (cat back exhaust) vs my M3 (stock)
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Old 01-02-2004, 06:08 AM   #26
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your not understanding me.

say your in 4th gear and you want to dip into 3rd while braking so that when ur ready to exit the turn you can get better acceleration....this is when i like to heel and toe. while im turning ive got the revs matched and in 3rd...without having the car jerk while shifting and turning.

It works...try it.
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