New rules regarding "Check Engine light" at mechanics

[sb_600]

Originally Posted by Axxe

Going through this with a relatives car right now. Has a completely emissions-unrelated code but won't pass due to "not-ready." ****ing cash grab to the power of infinity.

Every code is emissions-related. That's the whole point of the system.

[bmwm5lover]

Originally Posted by Dr. Flyview

If you had an OBDII scanner would you be able to tell if it was going to pass?

No, but apparently MAC tools has a a device that will.

[davericher20]

Originally Posted by bmwm5lover

No, but apparently MAC tools has a a device that will.

Buy said item, rent it out....



Profit?

[propr'one]

my innova 3100 has an emissions status (red/yellow/green)

[Arash]

Originally Posted by propr'one

my innova 3100 has an emissions status (red/yellow/green)

What do the colours mean? Does it indicate which sensors are ready/not ready? I am in the market now for one as I went through a whole lot of headache to get the e-test. Sensors kept on showing not ready even when the MTO procedure was followed. left it over the weekend, tried again Monday morning and it randomly worked, just when I was about to give up hope.

For anyone out there needing emission sometime soon I recommend you get on it sooner rather than later, as it may take days/weeks to get the computer to behave

[propr'one]

afaik car needs to be running in closed loop with no codes for emissions to go green

[bmwm5lover]

mine has the green/yellow/red too.. interesting.

[Bullet Ride]

Originally Posted by kevin325

Jay,

Do you know if these points were recently updated?

"Vehicle must meet or exceed what were the emissions standards for the original motor when all original emission control equipment was functioning (s. 4(2))"

How can this be?

But more importantly...

All emissions control equipment must be attached and functioning. Equipment refers to what came with the replacement motor or be equivalent to what would have come with that motor.

So you can actually be failed for having no cats.

I've been trying to get an answer from the Drive Clean guys for a while with regards to what can be considered a crate motor because they have this example on their website...

Q: The owner of a 2005 Chevrolet vehicle installed a 2011 crate motor. (The 2011 crate motor was not designed or equipped with any emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

• meet the visible emission standards
• meet the emission standards set for the original motor (2005).
• have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning. Since the crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required.
• meet or exceed the 2005 standards for that original motor if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test. Although emissions control equipment is not required, without it, the car would likely fail the Drive Clean test.

I was wondering if you got a custom motor built by a shop if it could be considered a crate motor. They said that I couldn't get hot rod status for my 2.8L stroker motor because all I did was modify the stock motor. I'm arguing that it's a custom motor with custom internals that's derived from an OEM engine block. The same sort of thing you get when you buy a crate motor from GM or Ford. The point of the whole exercise is that it may be possible to argue that a crate motor designed for say... a race car.... did not come with any emissions components. You'll still have to meet the emissions numbers of the original motor, but if you can tune a car to do that without a cat, then you can get away with not having one.


oh and p.s. the new rules are garbage, my father has an older pick up truck (year 2000ish) that passed emissions with no problems two years ago, but because he had a check engine this year (related to evap system) he automatically failed, and the shop couldn't manage to eliminate the source of the check engine so after "$450 worth of repairs" he was able to get the conditional pass. Unless they change the rules, he's likely going to scrap the truck next time emissions testing comes up and get a newer truck because this is ridiculous.

[325isdan]

Or you can just get them to write you a quote for a single item that will cost over $450 to get your car to pass and you can fill out the conditional pass form and pass with out having to get it fixed.

[Bullet Ride]

Originally Posted by 325isdan

Or you can just get them to write you a quote for a single item that will cost over $450 to get your car to pass and you can fill out the conditional pass form and pass with out having to get it fixed.

Can it just be a quote? It's my understanding that you need to have spent $450 trying to repair the car. If they wrote you up a phony receipt for work that they actually didn't do I could see that working, however that ends up being income that the shop has on the books but didn't actually get, I can't see a shop owner doing that too often as it will cost him when doing taxes.

[GTCobra]

Hmmm... Thank god I did mine just before new years like almost RIGHT before within days of it lol... Its also good to own an 87 Mustang that needs no emissions mwahahaha love that law

[dcramer]

Originally Posted by bmwm5lover

No, but apparently MAC tools has a a device that will.

torque pro for android will give you I/M readiness. No need to buy an expensive tool

[Dr. Flyview]

Originally Posted by dcramer

torque pro for android will give you I/M readiness. No need to buy an expensive tool

How does it connect to OBDII??

[dcramer]

http://plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=GSSTBLUETOOTH

I use this all the time with my phone

[bmwm5lover]

hmmmmmm....