Registering car as "unfit" title and paying taxes

[SamE30e]

Originally Posted by T.Dot_E30

Yes, taxes are the same no matter how it's registered.

Either based on what you paid on the bill of sale or the price listed on the UVIP whichever is greater. Unfit allows you to get a temp permit so that you can get the car safetied and emission tested at which point you go back and have it changed over to fit while registering or getting a new plate/valid sticker for it.

Unfit does not allow you to get a temp.

Unfit is basically to get the vehicle in your name, you can't plate it until you get a safety and e-test.

[Eurostyle]

Originally Posted by SamE30e

Unfit is basically to get the vehicle in your name, you can't plate it until you get a safety and e-test.

Like posted before, you can get it palted with a safety. E-est can be done later, it will have the "T" sticker, and Temp status.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Originally Posted by IChopCars

Dealer plates are used all the time on unfit cars. Wholesalers come to my dealership all the time and drive away old cars that were just traded in. Technically, all those cars are unfit because they have not had safety/etest done yet. Although the car cant be obviously unsafe to drive. But dealers do it all the time. Move a car from one lot to another with bald tires, burnt out brake lights etc...

You're right, just checked... I know the dealer plate insurance is pretty strict in some regards. But they do actually allow the use of the plate even on "unfit" cars as long as they are still safe to drive.

[Eau_Rouge]

On an unfit car already in your name, you only need an e-test if its a 1988 or newer, correct?

[bmwm5lover]

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

I'm 99% sure that it is illegal to do this... A car cannot be "unfit" and used on the road period. That means a dealer plate cannot be used.

Dealer plates are god. We can do whatever we want.

[T.Dot_E30]

Originally Posted by SamE30e

Unfit does not allow you to get a temp.

Unfit is basically to get the vehicle in your name, you can't plate it until you get a safety and e-test.

Originally Posted by Eurostyle

Like posted before, you can get it palted with a safety. E-est can be done later, it will have the "T" sticker, and Temp status.

I know for a fact that several years ago you didn't need a safety or e-test to get a temp permit, because I had one to get the car certified. Can't remember exactly how unfit/fit played a role.

According to info on the ministry site, you still can get a temp permit without a safety:
http://www.ontario.ca/driving-and-ro...ate-validation

To get a temporary plate validation you must provide the following documents:

- The current vehicle permit, indicating that the vehicle’s status is “Fit.” If the vehicle permit is not registered in your name, the back of the permit must be completed and signed by the previous owner
- A Used Vehicle Information Package (if you bought the vehicle through a private sale)
- The name of your insurance company and the policy number for the vehicle
existing licence plates (if available) along with the plate portion of the vehicle permit
- A $15.00 fee for the permit
- Owners must pay all outstanding fees – including unpaid highway tolls, unpaid parking fines and Not Sufficient Funds (NSFs) – before receiving a temporary permit.

From this I take it you can still get a temp plate as long as when the seller gives you and signs the ownership it is in a 'fit' state. If you buy an unfit car, then yes you are correct you can't get a temp sticker without a safety.

Originally Posted by bmwm5lover

Dealer plates are god. We can do whatever we want.

Until you get caught

[SamE30e]

Originally Posted by T.Dot_E30

I know for a fact that several years ago you didn't need a safety or e-test to get a temp permit, because I had one to get the car certified. Can't remember exactly how unfit/fit played a role.

According to info on the ministry site, you still can get a temp permit without a safety:
http://www.ontario.ca/driving-and-ro...ate-validation



From this I take it you can still get a temp plate as long as when the seller gives you and signs the ownership it is in a 'fit' state. If you buy an unfit car, then yes you are correct you can't get a temp sticker without a safety.




Until you get caught

You can't transfer a car over in 'fit' state unless it has a safety with it...

So you need a safety.... Then you only have the temp till you get a e-test.

[T.Dot_E30]

Originally Posted by SamE30e

You can't transfer a car over in 'fit' state unless it has a safety with it...

So you need a safety.... Then you only have the temp till you get a e-test.

No need to repeat yourself, I understood what you typed. What I'm pointing out or saying is that the requirements for a temp permit doesn't list a safety on the ministry website.

The only exception/requirement is that:
(the current vehicle permit, indicating that the vehicle’s status is “Fit.” If the vehicle permit is not registered in your name, the back of the permit must be completed and signed by the previous owner)

What I take that to mean is if you are buying a currently fit car, you can get a temp plate/permit, assuming you have all of the above. What it doesn't say, is in that scenario, is the car then registered as fit or unfit? Either way it doesn't matter because your are able to get a temp permit without a safety certification or etest.


Did you read the link?
http://www.ontario.ca/driving-and-ro...ate-validation

[Eurostyle]

Lots of confusion here, not sure why; to transfer a car in your name (in a FIT) state, you NEED a safety certificate AND for cars newer than 1987 you need an emission test (valid for one year). If you don't have any of this, it will be transferred "unfit, unplated". If you can also transfer it with "temp" status and have 10 days to get your paperwork!

[T.Dot_E30]

Originally Posted by Eurostyle

Lots of confusion here, not sure why; to transfer a car in your name (in a FIT) state, you NEED a safety certificate AND for cars newer than 1987 you need an emission test (valid for one year). If you don't have any of this, it will be transferred "unfit, unplated". If you can also transfer it with "temp" status and have 10 days to get your paperwork!

I think the confusion was when someone stated you needed a safety for a temp permit. Which based on the ministry site, you still don't assuming the ownership is currently fit when sold to you.

[KIRASIR]

Originally Posted by T.Dot_E30

I think the confusion was when someone stated you needed a safety for a temp permit. Which based on the ministry site, you still don't assuming the ownership is currently fit when sold to you.

Exactly. ^

To transfer ownership -> only bill of sale/old ownership is needed (the car title can be anything including SALVAGE/IRREPARABLE).

To get temporary permit -> the title has to be either REBUILT or NOBRAND, and the ownership needs to be already transfered to the new owner. You only need proof of insurance and sale. Don't need safety nor emission. If title is SALVAGE then you need structural cert, safery, and emission certs to change the title to REBUILT.

To get valid plates -> title must be REBUILT or NOBRAND and safety/emisison certs must be presented to MTO.

Also, the only real way to lower taxes is to get an apraisal that is less than the book value of the car. If I remember correctly any registered dealer can sign/stamp this paper.