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Old 11-25-2011, 09:20 PM   #91
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I have a hard time taking you seriously when you you use such phrases as "mr. university, taze me, etc." you might want to lay that off especially when you're advocating against 'character assassination'.

Since when is the WTO the complexities of life? You must not see life as being very complex. Companies do not represent themselves, the country represents the company. That is how it is period. If you do not agree, show me at least 1 company that has represented themselves at the WTO.

Of course tarrifs can help a country, so can quota's, government sub prime loans, and that is what the WTO is there to monitor. Take the case between Canada and Brazil (Canada representing bombardier, Brazil representing embraer), Canada provided sub prime lending to bombardier so they could complete an order for I believe air Wisconsin. Brazil claimed that was an unfair advantage, and Brazil was granted to put up tarrifs on virtually all canadian goods, they didn't they themselves provided assistance to embraer, and then the reverse happened. This is all essentially bailouts, big government, protectionism. The WTO is there to prevent unfair global advantage. If you had a classical liberal government you wouldn't have the problem of protectionism.

Do you know ANYTHING about Ron Paul? That man without a doubt believes and intelligently conveys his beliefs. You are right, not many people voted for him when he ran in 2008 (mainly because main stream media kept on ignoring him). He is running again for 2012 and he has to date won 2 straw polls, his popularity is surging as people get more desperate for someone who can fix their problems. You will notice he is worlds away from the other republican candidates. All respectable concerns that I have heard from ows, Ron Paul's ideas would solve. I am willing to bet you will be pleasantly surprised. I watched both your video's take the time and go to youtube and watch some of the republican canidate debates here is a schedule they are all on youtube:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi..._debates,_2012

Or just generally youtube ron paul 2012 or go to his website. I am sure it will not take you very long to realize he is very different and genuine. He is a classical liberal, a libertarian, doctor, economist, and constitutional expert. He tabled a bill in texas that would have made it illegal for TSA to feel up civilians, is against engaging in any type of war for the sake of imperialism or bullshit, etc.

Hedge funds don't exist in Canada? What?

The 2008 crisis was a byproduct of the USA central bank keeping interest rates too low for far too long after the early 2000's recession. They double messed up because at a rate of 0.25% they are in a liquidity trap, and all they can do now is lower long term rates by buying up long term assets. Differentiate between monetary and fiscal policy.

War has been important in human evolution and advancement. The United states did not want to join into WW2. What I am telling you is that the world has evolved the way it has because of the united states essentially being responsible for the world by having half of its wealth.

I do not understand why you keep insisting i believe in something that I do not, and time and time again I am telling you I believe in a classical liberal system. I give you the respect of your position, now give me mine. From the very get-go i told you I do not believe in bailouts (I assume you know about the Austrian school of economics), and you should understand what i believe in has no room for big government who sustain inefficiencies and create recessions.

I surely hope you are not depending on textbooks for this. Since when did GDP become microeconomics? Canada = macro = gdp.

TED is a conference, that guy nor any other presenter works at TED. I love TED just as much as any other respectable human being.

Stop twisting my words, I will say again what i said before, I DO believe his data sets are solid and sound. I tried explaining to you why and how data is manipulated to infer whatever you want. I am just going to assume here that you do not understand econometrics very well or at all for that matter. My logic is sound.

Here let me show you some very very basic transformations for you for illustration with the very same the same data set. I will do it in a similar manner of how he has done it in the video:

Here is an untransformed output:



Here is a transformation of the response variable:


Here is a transformation of the explanatory variable:


Here is a transformation of both the response and explanatory variable:


Understand now? If you want me to show you the untransformed versions of that mans data I need the data sets. I can then visually infer the exact opposite, neither of us will be wrong because that is how statistics works. I can further show you all of the other stuff I told you in above posts.

Data for increased middle class jobs? I already told you, look at the history of foreign direct investment.

I would like to conclude by requesting that reframe from demeaning your argument by using unnecessary defensive catch phrases.

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dude you are so right! I am so sorry, let me please shoot myself in the head for ever doubting you, you win!
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The 2008 crisis was a byproduct of the USA central bank keeping interest rates too low for far too long after the early 2000's recession. They double messed up because at a rate of 0.25% they are in a liquidity trap, and all they can do now is lower long term rates by buying up long term assets. Differentiate between monetary and fiscal policy.
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I think we have defended OWS enough on this thread to the point that any individual that wishes to educate themselves can do so.
































*waits for the cries of bias and manipulation*
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:31 PM   #98
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Good video someone else posted on another forum:


I am glad to see there are some people at OWS that are libertarians (classic liberals), and support Ron Paul. Ron Paul is what the United States needs.

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about time some politician or whoever hijacks OWS.


Historically speaking when it comes to the economy, since WW2, we have followed one path to it. Expansionist model through corporate libertarianism. Democrat or republican, does not matter. Every single president since WWII has followed this. So I do not know much of Ron Paul but I doubt he will be the change for society that they all thought Obama was going to be.

EDIT: Yeah this guy is definitely a corporate libertarian, advocating getting rid of all federal branches, such as education and the EPA. More capitalism in essence, against socialism. I mean the rest of the world is becoming more socialist in recent years, its been working to great effect in almost every country in South America. And countries that are more socialist, more government for those that do not understand, who already have more federal responsibilities are doing well. Again the Nordic countries already discussed.


Ok I just finished watching this while I wrote this and like he is a classic politician, promises, agrees with economy, and even then 99% of the people he talked to were against him. Ugh garbage video if your trying to promote corporate libertarianism.

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1. Peter Schiff is not a politician
2. Peter predicted the housing bubble in 2005, Ron paul predicted it in the 1980's, really reiterated it in 2003 I think it was, and bam it happened. Trust me you this man knows what he is talking about.
3. What caused these problems is more government a. government backed bad loans b. over inflation in the markets because of lack of competition
4. Damn right im against socialism, so are alot of people at OWS who are libertarians
5. wtf is corporate libertarianism? Last I checked libertarians do not believe in companies having human rights and qualities.
6. Those federal branches are a bunch of bureaucrats
7. The current system is what is called Crony capitalism, it is what happens with more government look it up, it is the cause of all these problems.
8. Don't misrepresent people at OWS, not all (wouldnt even say the majority) believe in socialism, alot of people want change but in a libertarian approach, they want "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" something you will NOT get with more government
9. You will notice Ron Paul is a libertarian, while the rest of the GOP politicians believe stripping your human rights internationally (war), and domestically (patriot act).
10. Countries (especially nordic countries) have been becoming less socialist in recent years. Parties in power in sweden: the alliance Finland: national coalition party and norway: progress party added with the conservative party hold more seats then the socialist party
11. Look at left leaning countries and compare GDP per capita to GDPppp.
12. In the past 5-6 years socialism has been DECIMATED, as people realize that crony capitalism has caused all of this to happen, and there is no place for it in a capitalist society.
13. If you think Canada, USA, or any of the European countries will drop capitalism all together in favor for full blown socialism, you are delusional.
14. Question for you: would you rather have lived on the west or east side of Berlin(1961–1989)?
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1. Peter Schiff is not a politician
2. Peter predicted the housing bubble in 2005, Ron paul predicted it in the 1980's, really reiterated it in 2003 I think it was, and bam it happened. Trust me you this man knows what he is talking about.
3. What caused these problems is more government a. government backed bad loans b. over inflation in the markets because of lack of competition
4. Damn right im against socialism, so are alot of people at OWS who are libertarians
5. wtf is corporate libertarianism? Last I checked libertarians do not believe in companies having human rights and qualities.
6. Those federal branches are a bunch of bureaucrats
7. The current system is what is called Crony capitalism, it is what happens with more government look it up, it is the cause of all these problems.
8. Don't misrepresent people at OWS, not all (wouldnt even say the majority) believe in socialism, alot of people want change but in a libertarian approach, they want "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" something you will NOT get with more government
9. You will notice Ron Paul is a libertarian, while the rest of the GOP politicians believe stripping your human rights internationally (war), and domestically (patriot act).
10. Countries (especially nordic countries) have been becoming less socialist in recent years. Parties in power in sweden: the alliance Finland: national coalition party and norway: progress party added with the conservative party hold more seats then the socialist party
11. Look at left leaning countries and compare GDP per capita to GDPppp.
12. In the past 5-6 years socialism has been DECIMATED, as people realize that crony capitalism has caused all of this to happen, and there is no place for it in a capitalist society.
13. If you think Canada, USA, or any of the European countries will drop capitalism all together in favor for full blown socialism, you are delusional.
14. Question for you: would you rather have lived on the west or east side of Berlin(1961–1989)?
1.Peter Schiff is not a politician

Yes I said a politician or whoever, let me emphasize, WHOEVER

2. Peter predicted the housing bubble in 2005, Ron paul predicted it in the 1980's, really reiterated it in 2003 I think it was, and bam it happened. Trust me you this man knows what he is talking about.

Ok alot of people predicted it. Have you seen the documentary Inside Job? Why should I trust you lol, so far in this thread was nothing I would have taken face value information from you lol.

3. What caused these problems is more government a. government backed bad loans b. over inflation in the markets because of lack of competition

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you did not see Inside Job

4. Damn right im against socialism, so are alot of people at OWS who are libertarians

Ok. You do realize both are feasible right? its the whole expansionist vs redistribution argument? Again been discussed on this thread already and I keep stating that history has shown to this day that expansionism has done horrible things and created flawed systems. So why not go for socialism where other countries it works for them? oh wait no you don't think so.

5. wtf is corporate libertarianism? Last I checked libertarians do not believe in companies having human rights and qualities.

Well you should have asked that a while ago cause I kept mentioning it lol. You do realize that our "freedom" as any western politician says it includes economic freedom and competition. Meaning they have individual rights, most easily identified internationally with the Bretton woods institutes. But ok if you say that liberals are against that then I learned something today. Again though none will ever be elected in the US as they operate within a corporate libertarian framework. The closest thing we will see are incremental changes, if that (doubt it cause of precedents set).

6. Those federal branches are a bunch of bureaucrats

What an intelligent sentence ey.

7. The current system is what is called Crony capitalism, it is what happens with more government look it up, it is the cause of all these problems.

Uh huh. Crony capitalism no shit sherlock, doesn't classify more government being bad/corrupt, it just means the current one is lol. Yes it is the cause. Established that loooong ago in this thread. But since you say "wtf is corporate libertarianism" I am assuming you did not look it up. Further I am still waiting to how that memo you said to look and which I did and analyzed supported your side and not mine which it actually reinforced, Grand area doctrine and all that. Trade restrictions eliminated through Breton woods for an American economic hegemony....I still have no either explained how "7% of the population owning 50% of the worlds wealth means"....It mentioned that in the memo but it didn't reinforce any argument other than my own.

8. Don't misrepresent people at OWS, not all (wouldnt even say the majority) believe in socialism, alot of people want change but in a libertarian approach, they want "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" something you will NOT get with more government

That video disagrees with you buddy, hence why I said its piss poor for your side. Life and liberty and property you can get with more government, participatory democracy is still democracy.

9. You will notice Ron Paul is a libertarian, while the rest of the GOP politicians believe stripping your human rights internationally (war), and domestically (patriot act).

Ok good for Ron Paul, lets have his slogan as "change" and have him elected. See what happens. I mean what does it matter what he is.

10. Countries (especially nordic countries) have been becoming less socialist in recent years. Parties in power in sweden: the alliance Finland: national coalition party and norway: progress party added with the conservative party hold more seats then the socialist party.

First off you do realize that a conservative, for example, from Canada would be classified a democrat in the US? all relative. BTW I love how you ignore South America that I also mentioned, which also recently created a new regional bloc excluding the US and Canada and including Cuba. Also poverty levels have been the lowest since 20 years in Latin America. Same time that majoritive democracies and socialist governments have arisen democratically into power. Good documentary for that would be South of the Border I found last week.

11. Look at left leaning countries and compare GDP per capita to GDPppp

For a guy who just finished argue in this thread that all statistics and charts can be manipulated, you sure you know what to say "look at this and that statistic". Bit of a hypocrite. But fine here it is for everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._GDP_%28PPP%29. What I notice is that there are developed countries and not so developed countries that splits the list. As I mentioned in number 10 "poverty levels have been the lowest since 20 years in Latin America". Think its due to development only? or redistribution of wealth?

12. In the past 5-6 years socialism has been DECIMATED, as people realize that crony capitalism has caused all of this to happen, and there is no place for it in a capitalist society.

right if 500 million people in LA becoming socialist and leftist is being decimated sure. The EU is more leftist today than it was 30 years ago. Healthcare, education all that good stuff countries like France and Britain developed through government.

13. If you think Canada, USA, or any of the European countries will drop capitalism all together in favor for full blown socialism, you are delusional.

Hmm I wonder where I said that. Hmmm. No I specifically mentioned that its possible we can drop financial capitalism and move back to production capitalism. financial corporations vs. productive corporations. Its in this thread. BTW here is the definition "characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs". Sounds so evil huh for me to want it in the west.

14. Question for you: would you rather have lived on the west or east side of Berlin(1961–1989)?

So much of your numbered list has little to do with what I said to your video. You keep going back to issues already discussed like I forgot or something, who are you trying to fool here or are you just....like....that....kind....of....person?

As for the question, the west side. Soviet Union by that linked definition just two inches above me was not socialist. Stalin corrupted Lenin's vanguard for a Marxist revolution. However I would have lived in Cuba, number of different reasons. Since I answered an obvious personal question mind if I ask what university and what professors are teaching what you are learning?

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2. Peter predicted the housing bubble in 2005, Ron paul predicted it in the 1980's, really reiterated it in 2003 I think it was, and bam it happened. Trust me you this man knows what he is talking about.

Ok alot of people predicted it. Have you seen the documentary Inside Job? Why should I trust you lol, so far in this thread was nothing I would have taken face value information from you lol.

I have not seen inside job (I cant see every movie on this planet after all). But I have a hard time believing anyone predicted it better than Ron Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnuoHx9BINc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNp1wf1T_k

4. Damn right im against socialism, so are alot of people at OWS who are libertarians

Ok. You do realize both are feasible right? its the whole expansionist vs redistribution argument? Again been discussed on this thread already and I keep stating that history has shown to this day that expansionism has done horrible things and created flawed systems. So why not go for socialism where other countries it works for them? oh wait no you don't think so.

Economically (Macro) its an argument between Austrian vs Kenseyen economics. We just disagree between the two.

As far as expansionism, and US military aggression: again check out Ron Paul! That is a man who does not believe in bullshit wars.

Redistributing wealth is a terrible idea.

5. wtf is corporate libertarianism? Last I checked libertarians do not believe in companies having human rights and qualities.

Well you should have asked that a while ago cause I kept mentioning it lol. You do realize that our "freedom" as any western politician says it includes economic freedom and competition. Meaning they have individual rights, most easily identified internationally with the Bretton woods institutes. But ok if you say that liberals are against that then I learned something today. Again though none will ever be elected in the US as they operate within a corporate libertarian framework. The closest thing we will see are incremental changes, if that (doubt it cause of precedents set).

First and foremost liberals =/= classical liberals.

I was inferring that corporate libertarianism as a term does not make much sense. Unless I suppose you are saying that your against corporations having free will? Ie. Perfect competition, capitalist, no bailouts, no government bubbles, no government intervention, letting the market increase quality and decrease price. Which in that case sounds great. However, I think you have a demonizing definition, a definition that involves crony capitalism (in a libertarian remember there is no room for crony capitalism) and thus is our disconnect.

6. Those federal branches are a bunch of bureaucrats

What an intelligent sentence ey.
Federal reserve:
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As far as each individual branch, go to youtube and search said branch (fda, epa, etc) + ron paul

Before you fully understand my view point on politics, economics, and social structures, we will continue to have a disconnect in our debates.


7. The current system is what is called Crony capitalism, it is what happens with more government look it up, it is the cause of all these problems.

Uh huh. Crony capitalism no shit sherlock, doesn't classify more government being bad/corrupt, it just means the current one is lol. Yes it is the cause. Established that loooong ago in this thread. But since you say "wtf is corporate libertarianism" I am assuming you did not look it up. Further I am still waiting to how that memo you said to look and which I did and analyzed supported your side and not mine which it actually reinforced, Grand area doctrine and all that. Trade restrictions eliminated through Breton woods for an American economic hegemony....I still have no either explained how "7% of the population owning 50% of the worlds wealth means"....It mentioned that in the memo but it didn't reinforce any argument other than my own.

Without big government you can not have crony capitalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8EplJSNWqs

As stated earlier, the memo was in relation to explaining why and how the US government had so much government, it is because with that much of the worlds wealth, they were responsible for the rest of the world.

8. Don't misrepresent people at OWS, not all (wouldnt even say the majority) believe in socialism, alot of people want change but in a libertarian approach, they want "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" something you will NOT get with more government

That video disagrees with you buddy, hence why I said its piss poor for your side. Life and liberty and property you can get with more government, participatory democracy is still democracy.

You must not have watched the whole video.

More government with liberty is an oxymoron.

9. You will notice Ron Paul is a libertarian, while the rest of the GOP politicians believe stripping your human rights internationally (war), and domestically (patriot act).

Ok good for Ron Paul, lets have his slogan as "change" and have him elected. See what happens. I mean what does it matter what he is.

10. Countries (especially nordic countries) have been becoming less socialist in recent years. Parties in power in sweden: the alliance Finland: national coalition party and norway: progress party added with the conservative party hold more seats then the socialist party.

First off you do realize that a conservative, for example, from Canada would be classified a democrat in the US? all relative. BTW I love how you ignore South America that I also mentioned, which also recently created a new regional bloc excluding the US and Canada and including Cuba. Also poverty levels have been the lowest since 20 years in Latin America. Same time that majoritive democracies and socialist governments have arisen democratically into power. Good documentary for that would be South of the Border I found last week.

Most of South America are the champions of crony capitalism, dont stoop down to that level, keep it oranges to oranges. Classic liberals (conservatives) are the same as classic liberals anywhere else thats why they have international affiliations. I do agree however that there is much work to be done on the current legislator to lean more right in Canada versus the USA. The end goal is the same.

11. Look at left leaning countries and compare GDP per capita to GDPppp

For a guy who just finished argue in this thread that all statistics and charts can be manipulated, you sure you know what to say "look at this and that statistic". Bit of a hypocrite. But fine here it is for everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._GDP_%28PPP%29. What I notice is that there are developed countries and not so developed countries that splits the list. As I mentioned in number 10 "poverty levels have been the lowest since 20 years in Latin America". Think its due to development only? or redistribution of wealth?

what the hell does visually represented transformed graphs have to do with GDP (which can be self recreated)? You are so confused about statistics I dont even know where to start or end with you.

I suggest 1. You fully understand what affects GDPppp 2. Learn to compare the difference in that countries GDPppp to their GDP per capita, to understand where they are making loses (or gains).

12. In the past 5-6 years socialism has been DECIMATED, as people realize that crony capitalism has caused all of this to happen, and there is no place for it in a capitalist society.

right if 500 million people in LA becoming socialist and leftist is being decimated sure. The EU is more leftist today than it was 30 years ago. Healthcare, education all that good stuff countries like France and Britain developed through government.

If you think public healthcare and education provides better service then private industry, then ill just completely and utterly disagree there. In your response don't get caught up and misunderstood with affordability (I am not talking about crony industry, that includes insurance backed systems).

13. If you think Canada, USA, or any of the European countries will drop capitalism all together in favor for full blown socialism, you are delusional.

Hmm I wonder where I said that. Hmmm. No I specifically mentioned that its possible we can drop financial capitalism and move back to production capitalism. financial corporations vs. productive corporations. Its in this thread. BTW here is the definition "characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs". Sounds so evil huh for me to want it in the west.

Look above for why socialism is not the answer, and how it will perpetuate the problem.

14. Question for you: would you rather have lived on the west or east side of Berlin(1961–1989)?

So much of your numbered list has little to do with what I said to your video. You keep going back to issues already discussed like I forgot or something, who are you trying to fool here or are you just....like....that....kind....of....person?

As for the question, the west side. Soviet Union by that linked definition just two inches above me was not socialist. Stalin corrupted Lenin's vanguard for a Marxist revolution. However I would have lived in Cuba, number of different reasons. Since I answered an obvious personal question mind if I ask what university and what professors are teaching what you are learning?

The question was rhetorical. I will continue to refrain from tainting this debate with irrelevant information. My studies and professors have given me the tools to enable me to think for myself, it is not a representation of any of their belief or disbelief. I think I have made it pretty clear who I can relate and agree with most often (Ron Paul).

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Occupy Portland protesters marched yesterday against a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act that could lead them to be designated as terrorists and carted off to a foreign detention camp.

“Protesters took issue with the $662 billion defense spending bill, singling out language in the U.S. Senate version that says U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism can be detained indefinitely,” reports The Oregonian.

As we highlighted last week, Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which will become law if approved by President Obama, declares the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allows American citizens to be arrested on U.S. soil and incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay.

Given the fact that the Department of Defense now defines exercising the First Amendment as “low-level terrorism,” demonstrators have every right to be concerned about being targeted by Section 1031 of the NDAA bill.

As we reported back in 2009, the DoD’s Antiterrorism and Force Protection Annual Refresher Training Course advises its personnel that political protest amounts to “low-level terrorism”.

The training introduction reads:

“Anti-terrorism (AT) and Force Protection (FP) are two facets of the Department of Defense (DoD) Mission Assurance Program. It is DoD policy, as found in DoD I 2000.16, that the DoD Components and the DoD elements and personnel shall be protected from terrorist acts through a high priority, comprehensive, AT program. The DoD’s AT program shall be all encompassing using an integrated systems approach.”

The first question of the Terrorism Threat Factors, “Knowledge Check 1 section reads:

Which of the following is an example of low-level terrorism activity?

Select the correct answer and then click Check Your Answer.

- Attacking the Pentagon
- IEDs
- Hate crimes against racial groups
- Protests


In order to proceed, users must give the “correct” answer as “Protests”.

According to the document, all DoD personnel are required to complete the course on a yearly basis.

Since the Obama administration has asserted the right to assassinate anyone in the world, even American citizens, should they be designated “terrorists,” should we be concerned that exercising the right to free speech now falls under that category?

Readers may not agree with everything espoused by ‘Occupy’ protesters, but whatever your political cause, the fact that the Senate has just passed a bill that greases the skids for indefinite detention for suspected terrorists, behavior which now includes activism and protesting, is yet another reminder that America is now a fully fledged police state, in which the federal government asserts more power than Hitler or Stalin ever dreamed of.


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Bill S.1867:

Section 1032, sub B:

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.


Although I think the writer of the article is misinformed, I do think such policies create a slippery slope. I believe all people deserve a trail, and no person should be stripped of their liberty or freedom without a fair and just trial.
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