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Old 11-24-2011, 09:19 PM   #61
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Reality check


Some people ITT need to check the GINI index, doing so will make you realize Canada is achieving 32.1/100 in inequality, meaning Canada's distribution of wealth is very good, and we are relatively equal, placing 35th out of 140 countries. The reality is that they do not represent the 99% nor anywhere nearly close to it.
Are you a capitalist or a worker? do you sell your labor or own factors of production. OWS referencing marx's base and superstructure. Did you even watch that insightful TED video? we can have more equality where a ceo of a bank does not earn 30x more than the bank teller in just bonuses. Also do you understand that 50 on the Gini index means 50 percent have something and 50 percent do not, also do you not realize that countries like Sweden and Bulgaria are beating us? I am sorry if this giant ass country (canada) with its tiny population (33 million) and all its resources (diamonds, minerals, metals, industries, oils, timber, fish, IT etc etc) cannot beat those countries then no one should be satisfied.
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:20 PM   #62
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Typical left wing thinking. Supporting public sector services increases taxes, with increased taxes disposable income decreases; this decreases money spent on businesses. If these businesses are selling less, then they can not employ as many people. These people start depending on these social services even more, requiring even more tax dollars, which then creates a vicious cycle of fewer jobs and higher taxes.

Typical character assassinations. Just call him a communist and be done with it lol!

Business's when they earn more profit does not mean that workers all earn more. Pretty fatal flaw huh! Businesses, set again by precedent, do constantly fire people to make a bigger bottom line and just hire people in other countries. Outsourcing ftw? Now if the traditional sense of socialism, where workers own the factors of production, then when businesses make more then the workers benefit. Something Sweden and the US started to have before WW2! your logic is flawed, because taxes are used to provide services that companies would instead. Who says a company does it better than the government? look at our bloody insurance rates across provinces, which ones that are private are across the board cheaper than national ones! what company does not lobby for regulations that create it more profit at the COST of us and the benefit of themselves. Remember socialism and left wing whatever is your narrowed definition does not mean higher taxes neither does your logic hold up due to Sweden and other NORDIC countries have, because they are very successful, again did you watch that video?

Less taxes and corporate power really has been so good these past 70 years too ey!



Typical idiot. trololol.

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Old 11-24-2011, 09:32 PM   #63
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oh ya its those public sector employees with dem bloated wages that are causing all our problems... not the tax brakes and tax loop wholes that mega corps/rich use.

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Its those taxes I tell you... if they cut back on those government workers Id be taxed less!!! A WHOLE 1% less and id have that extra $500 at the end of the year to buy a new god damn iphone, god damn government union workers !!!!!!!!111111111

lets keep fighting for the rich to get richer.... mean while we are the poor ones fighting the rich person war. high larious.
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:40 PM   #64
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Typical character assassinations. Just call him a communist and be done with it lol!

Business's when they earn more profit does not mean that workers all earn more. Pretty fatal flaw huh! Businesses, set again by precedent, do constantly fire people to make a bigger bottom line and just hire people in other countries. Outsourcing ftw? Now if the tradiational sense of social, where workers own the factors of production, then when businesses make more then the workers benefit.


Typical idiot. trololol.
I did not call him a communist, you should also know there is a difference between communism, socialism, classic liberalism, and modern liberalism.

I agree with you that we are losing low wage jobs to places like China, however we are accelerating high paying jobs (read: middle class) jobs into Canada. This is because when a company grows its foreign direct investment also grows, those subsidiary jobs are then sent to the base country (Canada).

I bet you would support bailouts also wouldn't you? Look into the Austrian school of economics. If the government supports inefficient firms, the government is just supporting a backlog of inefficiencies that will fail like a daisy chain and create a recession.

Do you really think large companies would just take it from governments, even if they were so ignorant to try? Best case scenario is they move their operations (and jobs) and recess into a save haven, while maintaining 'satellite' operations in that country. Worse case scenario is they restrict foreign investment, have allot of major companies (with assets in the trillions) move out to places like Bermuda, and have a recession as a punishment.
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:44 PM   #65
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I did not call him a communist, you should also know there is a difference between communism, socialism, classic liberalism, and modern liberalism.

I agree with you that we are losing low wage jobs to places like China, however we are accelerating high paying jobs (read: middle class) jobs into Canada. This is because when a company grows its foreign direct investment also grows, those subsidiary jobs are then sent to the base country (Canada).

I bet you would support bailouts also wouldn't you? Look into the Austrian school of economics. If the government supports inefficient firms, the government is just supporting a backlog of inefficiencies that will fail like a daisy chain and create a recession.

Do you really think large companies would just take it from governments, even if they were so ignorant to try? Best case scenario is they move their operations (and jobs) and recess into a save haven, while maintaining 'satellite' operations in that country. Worse case scenario is they restrict foreign investment, have allot of major companies (with assets in the trillions) move out to places like Bermuda, and have a recession as a punishment.
DON"T troloololoool ME BRO!

Why is being called a leftist a negative thing? and according to you, if it hasn't dawned on you, is that leftist are all idiots for wanting higher taxes. Hence why you should just character assassinate him and call him a communist rather than a leftist. Common expression in media to discredit someone, appealing to cold war red scare mentalities. DONT trolololl ME BRO!

What is middle class without tens if not hundreds of thousands in student debt! bailout? **** that I would nationalize the giant industries like oil, like Chavez did in Venezuela and eliminated extreme poverty and a lot of poverty since then. So you saying the "smartest people in the room" ( enron reference ftw) which were created by the financial system are good corporations? lols like AIG and the all the wallstreet corporations? according to you they should be thrown out? maybe one of the things the OWS are protesting against? financial institutions?

side note earnestly I would like to know what sources if there is a increase in relative higher middle class jobs.

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Old 11-24-2011, 09:53 PM   #66
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Maybe I should note here that I am a 3rd year University Economics student, minoring in politics.

Why is it so important to shrink the gap? What is happening is an expansion of the whole spectrum, the higher portion is just growing faster. The 'pie' is getting bigger, it is better to have a small portion of a massive pie then a large portion of a tiny pie.

Also you guys have to stop thinking in micro terms (yourself) and trying to compare that to macro terms (the country). Stay focused!

With anything a public system dictates the prices and eliminates competition. What this does it provide poor quality.

Private systems with government assistance allows for non-competitive dollars, which inflates prices and decreases quality because there is no need to compete for those dollars.

Completely private systems is what is needed, competition goes up, and because of increased competition prices go down. Thus quality goes up and prices go down.

Sweden has had and still has an elected conservative government for 6 years now.
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drum roll for the PHD in economiczzzzzz that doesn't know what he is talking about

bet hes going to start quoting Ayn Rand in his next post


PS what are the swedish corporate tax rates by the way before you dropped the "conservative" bomb.

lol @ comparing euro country conservatives to USA/Canadian hardlining knuckleheads
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:59 PM   #68
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Are you really that immature?
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:02 PM   #69
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Are you really that immature?
I like your corporate manifesto. I think it's cute.
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Completely private systems is what is needed, competition goes up, and because of increased competition prices go down. Thus quality goes up and prices go down.
What do you do when companies collude Ayn Rand?
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:04 PM   #71
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DON"T troloololoool ME BRO!

Why is being called a leftist a negative thing? and according to you, if it hasn't dawned on you, is that leftist are all idiots for wanting higher taxes. Hence why you should just character assassinate him and call him a communist rather than a leftist. Common expression in media to discredit someone, appealing to cold war red scare mentalities. DONT trolololl ME BRO!

What is middle class without tens if not hundreds of thousands in student debt! bailout? **** that I would nationalize the giant industries like oil, like Chavez did in Venezuela and eliminated extreme poverty and a lot of poverty since then. So you saying the "smartest people in the room" ( enron reference ftw) which were created by the financial system are good corporations? lols like AIG and the all the wallstreet corporations? according to you they should be thrown out? maybe one of the things the OWS are protesting against? financial institutions?

side note earnestly I would like to know what sources if there is a increase in relative higher middle class jobs.
You can believe in whatever you want. Don't give me any of that red scare crap, as if it is acceptable to talk about fascism (farthest right). Communism is very different from socialism.

You really think you can control hedge funds with assets in excess of 500+ billion dollars each?

Do you even know why the United States was so successful post WW2? Read Memo PPS23.
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You can believe in whatever you want. Don't give me any of that red scare crap, as if it is acceptable to talk about fascism (farthest right). Communism is very different from socialism.

You really think you can control hedge funds with assets in excess of 500+ billion dollars?

Do you even know why the United States was so successful post WW2? Read Memo PPS23.

As can you and your fairy tales about prices decreasing and quality increasing because of super competitive markets without governments
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I like your corporate manifesto. I think it's cute.
I bet you think your comments make you sound cute. It's a natural defend mechanism when you cant defend your idea's.

Corporate manifesto? Since when was this only about corporations? Did I not say I do not support bailouts?

Its an ideology, classical liberalism, look into it.
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Maybe I should note here that I am a 3rd year University Economics student, minoring in politics.

Why is it so important to shrink the gap? What is happening is an expansion of the whole spectrum, the higher portion is just growing faster. The 'pie' is getting bigger, it is better to have a small portion of a massive pie then a large portion of a tiny pie.

Also you guys have to stop thinking in micro terms (yourself) and trying to compare that to macro terms (the country). Stay focused!

With anything a public system dictates the prices and eliminates competition. What this does it provide poor quality.

Private systems with government assistance allows for non-competitive dollars, which inflates prices and decreases quality because there is no need to compete for those dollars.

Completely private systems is what is needed, competition goes up, and because of increased competition prices go down. Thus quality goes up and prices go down.

Sweden has had and still has an elected conservative government for 6 years now.
"Why is it so important to shrink the gap?"

let us reflect for a moment on this question
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Oh yeah right, the video outlined the reasons why.................watch it for.............for the thousandth time. WOW like i havnt talked macro at all in other of my posts ever! DONT TROLOLOL ME BRO!

hey dickface I am also a 3rd year economic student with a double major in psci but I don't take face value information, so in my textbook the "common misconceptions" section is based on crap, promotes the corporate libertarian system that we have had the past 70 years. BTW no one cares who anyone is on these posts, you can be president of the united states and I wouldn't care, only your arguments.


as for the conservative government thing.....exactly my point about why not call him a "communist" instead of leftist for more taxes, because higher taxes has nothing to do with leftist or rightest. Hence the DONT TROLOLOL ME BRO. might be a perception held by you and maybe society in general but definition wise, MR. university theory, is no.

What want me to type of the sections and explain the fallacies and precedents that go contrary to it?


and a bigger pie doesn't mean everyone standard level of living goes up, it means it can be, and the losers compensated. RIGHT international economics 101, so you should know the O-H model, Ricardian model and factor proportions model. All state that the losers from expanding the economic pie can compensate the losers and still have a bit left over for rasing the standard. CAN, let me reiterate more carefully "CAN"
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Old 11-24-2011, 10:12 PM   #75
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I bet you think your comments make you sound cute. It's a natural defend mechanism when you cant defend your idea's.

Corporate manifesto? Since when was this only about corporations? Did I not say I do not support bailouts?

Its an ideology, classical liberalism, look into it.
You know when a ten year old is talking about how life is so mysterious and amazing, and the adults in the room have a smile on their face....thats what I have right now!

"when was this only about corporations" *sigh*

"defend your ideas" who are you trying to fool.
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