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Old 09-25-2011, 09:19 AM   #16
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The western world. So full of itself, full of people believing everything is perfect. Living with fingers in ears, worried more about things like a dead squirrel on their street rather than their community, much less city, province, country, hemisphere, world. Absolutely no empathy for one another....they wear a invisible cloak of moral and ethical superiority. I just want to live in a clear cut society.

Either we are all accepting nice outgoing people that have respect for one another purely rooted by the commonality of being a fellow human....or we don't. Now our laws and constitution would appear to imply we are the former not the latter. Yet too many act and say the latter.

We try to throw up as much information about things we should be worried about, to give you the impression that we have a immoral hypocritical, damaging society. Seems that for each issue that arises it will take some sort of tragedy for those who do not agree to begin to. Meaning it will get much worse before its gets better, thus is our continued history. Never seem to be able to look at things holistically and prevent it. Few try and even fewer succeed. “Wealth conquered Rome after Rome had conquered the world”

So you talk the talk but what are you doing to walk the walk?
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Old 09-25-2011, 11:56 AM   #17
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So you talk the talk but what are you doing to walk the walk?
my talk is the anaylzation and articulation of the situation and my walk is voicing it? what do you want me to do? Like I said I just want to live in a this or that society, clear cut one.

Perhaps let me simplify my point with a hypothetical society.....say a society is racist I would like for it to know it and admit it to themselves rather than finding other justifications....this however is rare....most will ignore the issue and accept it without ever giving it any thought....no thought even of whether that societies constitution and such declaration of a liberal democracy is in tune with societies racism. Actually this isn't hypothetical, this would fit America's racism of last century. I am sure many Americans back then did not see them as racists or were racist....but I am also sure that they did not disagree with societies belief that blacks are generally bad.

So again all I can do is take a stance based on my reasoning, and in this case also the evidence, namely police brutality vids. Now one majority belief is that being an officer is hard work, and indeed many of us can empathize with the PDs and when an officer oversteps their lawful boundary then you see many people agree and say " I would of done the same thing". However, those who say along those lines forget that being an officer you have to treat yourself and be morally superior because you are in a position of power. Thus tasering some smart mouth kid or tackling a guy harder than necessary is self demeaning to someone who should be morally and ethically a protector of a community.

It would be like our PM at the UN dealing with some other countries eccentric leaders attacks (verbal) and suddenly our PM would lash out and hit him. Yeah I am sure WE would of all done the same.....

SO, where do we find these plentiful people that, in my opinion of course, need to have higher morals and ethics? It does not matter because either way, in any scenario every PD will have bad apples, so my disappointment and anger is the way these officers that have clearly overstepped their boundary and committed get off scot free. I am assuming if you are reading this then you have seen the above footage of what I am talking about.

I just realized that your comment is more of a personal question, What does what I do in real life have any impact of what I say? My reasoning and evidence is on this thread but I suppose you would only settle if I personally videotaped the incidences? or was a victim in one of the vids? Like why ask such a cliche question "you talk the talk but do you walk the walk"....I am not even calling for any action to be done, at most I am telling you to feel my disappoint and frustration which comes from my ethics which includes social solidarity for any human being, much less fellow Canadian. If you can even watch, just these above vids, and not feel any frustration and anger on the part of the citizens then this is whole other issue for you.
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SO, where do we find these plentiful people that, in my opinion of course, need to have higher morals and ethics? It does not matter because either way, in any scenario every PD will have bad apples, so my disappointment and anger is the way these officers that have clearly overstepped their boundary and committed get off scot free. I am assuming if you are reading this then you have seen the above footage of what I am talking about.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:02 PM   #19
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my talk is the anaylzation and articulation of the situation and my walk is voicing it? what do you want me to do? Like I said I just want to live in a this or that society, clear cut one.

Perhaps let me simplify my point with a hypothetical society.....say a society is racist I would like for it to know it and admit it to themselves rather than finding other justifications....this however is rare....most will ignore the issue and accept it without ever giving it any thought....no thought even of whether that societies constitution and such declaration of a liberal democracy is in tune with societies racism. Actually this isn't hypothetical, this would fit America's racism of last century. I am sure many Americans back then did not see them as racists or were racist....but I am also sure that they did not disagree with societies belief that blacks are generally bad.

So again all I can do is take a stance based on my reasoning, and in this case also the evidence, namely police brutality vids. Now one majority belief is that being an officer is hard work, and indeed many of us can empathize with the PDs and when an officer oversteps their lawful boundary then you see many people agree and say " I would of done the same thing". However, those who say along those lines forget that being an officer you have to treat yourself and be morally superior because you are in a position of power. Thus tasering some smart mouth kid or tackling a guy harder than necessary is self demeaning to someone who should be morally and ethically a protector of a community.

It would be like our PM at the UN dealing with some other countries eccentric leaders attacks (verbal) and suddenly our PM would lash out and hit him. Yeah I am sure WE would of all done the same.....

SO, where do we find these plentiful people that, in my opinion of course, need to have higher morals and ethics? It does not matter because either way, in any scenario every PD will have bad apples, so my disappointment and anger is the way these officers that have clearly overstepped their boundary and committed get off scot free. I am assuming if you are reading this then you have seen the above footage of what I am talking about.

I just realized that your comment is more of a personal question, What does what I do in real life have any impact of what I say? My reasoning and evidence is on this thread but I suppose you would only settle if I personally videotaped the incidences? or was a victim in one of the vids? Like why ask such a cliche question "you talk the talk but do you walk the walk"....I am not even calling for any action to be done, at most I am telling you to feel my disappoint and frustration which comes from my ethics which includes social solidarity for any human being, much less fellow Canadian. If you can even watch, just these above vids, and not feel any frustration and anger on the part of the citizens then this is whole other issue for you.

What other ways are you "voicing it" besides here?
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B.C RCMP Beat The Crap Out Of 17 Year Old Girl Claiming She Assaulted them


U.S border cop while off duty pulls over & chokes canadian driver in the u.s

^ and from the tail end of this we learn Rcmp 'services' cost vancouver $300 million a year!
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:40 PM   #21
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on another forum - someone found some additional info on the RCMP beating a teenage girl
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Not only did they beat the crap out of her while she was handcuffed, in the back seat of the squad car, they kept her overnight without giving her medical treatment


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Haller was released by police the day after the alleged incident, without charge and without having received any medical attention, the B.C. Civil Liberties Association said
This is why they say she should be charged with assualting officers , and why they beat the crap out of her....

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Haller admits she became angry and started kicking the cruiser's window.
Kicking the window of a squad car is NOT assualt on an officer and it's certainly not reason to beat anyone.

Full story here....

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories...haller-110928/


According to what the mother says the cop planned what he did to her, which brings it to a whole other level....

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Once in the car, her daughter began kicking on the windows and yelling "Mom," Jeff said. "I heard one [officer] say, 'Keep kicking and you'll see what happens.'?"


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ind...#ixzz1ZTLL6WlX

Here's the mother's statement....

http://www.bccla.org/pressreleases/1..._statement.pdf

If her side of the story is true then this cop should be definately be kicked of the force and he should be spending time behind bars.



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Man still waiting for day in court after suffering from 'reckless and dangerous' tactics of police

By GARY DIMMOCK, The Ottawa Citizen October 1, 2011


Seven years after Jim Jansen was jumped from behind by Ottawa Police officers in a “reckless and dangerous” attack, the painting contractor is still waiting for his day in court.

In a 2005 ruling that has gone unreported until now, the late Justice Richard Lajoie condemned the tactics of three officers who “jumped the gun” only to ask questions later, after responding to a simple noise complaint.

“Tactics adopted by the police officers on July 4th, 2004, were akin to approaching a fortress or a hideout of bikers or dangerous people. What they came upon was a group of neighbours around a campfire,” Lajoie wrote. The judge passed away earlier this year at age 62.

The judge also ruled that the officers in question - Cst. Mark Lystiuk, Cst. Kevin Myers, and Cst. Candace Lohe - concealed themselves under the cover of darkness, never announced themselves and kept their flashlights off after parking their cruisers some distance away from the campfire in Constance Bay.

They never yelled ‘police’ and when they got to the campfire, where children roasted marshmallows, they mistakenly thought Jansen was assaulting his girlfriend because her lawnchair had collapsed. Jansen was in fact trying to help her up and out of the lawnchair..


The judge ruled that they jumped the gun by tackling Jansen only to ask questions later.

Jansen didn’t know who had attacked him but ended up allegedly beaten so bad that he needed elbow surgery.

The police charged him with assault and resisting arrest, and Judge Lajoie acquitted him on both counts. In fact, Lajoie used his court decision to mostly chastise the police.


Lajoie said he had never heard about a case where police responded to a simple noise complaint quite like this.

“Not only did they jump the gun, they were acting in a reckless and dangerous fashion in approaching the situation as they did. It is the first time that I hear that officers responding to, be it a noise call or a domestic assault, that they have to act in such a fashion, where they have to conceal themselves before approaching the scene,” said Lajoie, who also said the officers “clearly showed bad judgment.”

The surgery kept Jansen out of work for awhile and when he returned his trip through the criminal justice system fouled up his security clearance for federal building contracts, including Parliament Hill.

In 2006, Jansen filed a $500,000 lawsuit against the Ottawa Police and the three officers. The civil trial is scheduled for early 2012.


http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/st...027/story.html


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OTTAWA — A prosecutor asked a judge to dismiss drunk-driving charges against a ByWard Market bar owner Thursday following a punishing cross-examination that hammered the arresting officer’s credibility and left much of his evidence in tatters.

Lawyer Michael Edelson established that the officer and one-time breath technician who arrested John Doherty didn’t know the legal grounds for detaining suspected impaired drivers.

Those legal grounds — that the officer has a reasonable suspicion that a person had alcohol in their body in the past three hours — weren’t met by Ottawa police Const. Nicolas Benard, who never noted asking Doherty when he had last taken a drink.

Edelson also attacked gaping holes in Benard’s notes and played cellblock video that showed Doherty walking in a straight line, appearing steady on his feet, even slipping off his shoes with no difficulty.

There was not a “scintilla” of evidence that Doherty, 35, displayed any of the physical signs of being intoxicated that Benard testified he observed before arresting him.

“It would be impossible that all these vivid signs of impairment, that they would have disappeared in 10 to 12 minutes,” Edelson put to Benard, who acknowledged Doherty didn’t appear to be having any trouble on the video.

Edelson also accused Benard, who was once found guilty of discreditable conduct for calling in sick to court to save a friend and fellow officer who was vacationing in Cuba from testifying, of being an “abject liar” who doctored and backfilled his notes to meet the legal requirements needed to justify his arrest of Doherty.

Edelson argued the officer, who also admitted to having never read the Ottawa police policy on note-taking, was neither a reliable nor credible witness.


Doherty, the owner of Patty Boland’s pub, was arrested after Benard came across a minor traffic accident on Nicholas Street near Laurier Avenue at 7:20 a.m. on Oct. 4 of last year. Beard said he noticed Doherty had glassy eyes, was stumbling and unsteady on his feet and slurring his words. Doherty, who told Benard he had had four shots at the bar, failed a roadside screening test. He eventually blew breath readings of 182 and 185 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood. The legal limit to drive is 80.

Edelson was challenging the admissibility of those readings because he alleged the arrest was illegal.

Edelson had just finished his relentless cross-examination of Benard when Crown prosecutor Lisa Miles asked for an extended recess.

“Given the evidence heard by the court to this point, in the Crown’s assessment the basic elements of the charge have not been established such that there is no longer a reasonable prospect of conviction,” Miles said after the lunch break. “As we have no further evidence available to us on any of the failed grounds, we are electing to call no further evidence and invite your honour to dismiss both charges against the accused.”

Ontario Court Justice Patrick Sheppard said he had “little or no difficulty” understanding the Crown’s decision before acquitting Doherty of impaired driving and driving with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit.

“I think that is the very responsible way for the Crown to proceed,” he said, before telling Doherty he was free to go



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orillia, ont. - a man who pleaded guilty to looking at child porn while working at the opp headquarters building in orillia was sentenced wednesday to nine months in prison.

Richard cook, 52, was convicted of accessing and possessing child pornography. Bypassing security, he used his work computer to view and download images.


employed by the ministry of community safety and correctional services for 24 years, the penetanguishene, ont., man had been working in fleet and supply services at the time of his may 2010 arrest, a post he no longer holds.

In court wednesday — 18 months after his arrest — cook was sentenced to nine months jail time, three years probation under a long list of stringent conditions, a firearms order, a dna order and is required to register as a sex offender.

When released, cook will not be allowed to be in the presence of people under 16 years of age, go to a public park, swimming area, schoolyard, daycare or volunteer where they may be present. He is also not allowed to access the internet, except for purposes of employment.

Last month, crown attorney david russell asked the court for a one-month adjournment to follow up on an “actuarial risk assessment.” the mental health centre in penetanguishene had previously prepared a report, but russell said he was looking for more thorough analysis.

Court heard wednesday that the followup assessment stated cook met the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia based on “the effort mr. Cook made to obtain child pornographic material.”

between march and may of 2010, police monitored cook’s computer use at work and found he was blocked more than 2,000 times from accessing inappropriate websites. He was tracked to at least eight different pornographic sites.

after he was arrested, nine diskettes were found in the trunk of his car, four of which contained 62 graphic images of prepubescent males and females between the ages of two and 13, most of which focused on their genitals although some saw them engaged in sexual contact.

Of the images, 71.4% were identified as child pornography

forty-seven additional images were found on his computer.

Russell told the court in august police also found videos downloaded from the internet.

Cook’s lawyer, bernard cugelman, argued the accused was under a lot of stress both at work and at home, potentially causing him to act out.

The pre-sentence report said cook’s actions at work could be considered “career suicide.”

he knew his work computer was being monitored, cugelman said, adding it was a “self destructive act.” cook was seven years away from retiring with a pension.

judge george beattie said the fact cook entered a guilty plea indicated “some degree of remorse.”

cook is a first-time offender, for which the minimum punishment is 45 days in jail.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/11/10/...p-headquarters
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two married ontario cops facing charges resign


sudbury, ont. — two police officers facing a battery of misconduct charges resigned this week following a week of testimony at their disciplinary hearing.

david treitz, who had achieved the rank of staff sergent, was facing 10 charges of discredible conduct, two charges of corrupt practice and one charge each of insubordination and neglect of duty, all under the ontario police services act.

Shelley roy, a constable, was facing 11 counts of misconduct.

treitz and roy are married.

the charges against both were laid in june, but at a hearing held over the past two weeks, two more charges were read into the record against each, greater sudbury police chief frank elsner said.

Following that, "there was a mutual resolution, and as part of that, they have tendered their resignations," elsner said.

among the discreditable conduct charges were a number of allegations treitz "engaged in oppressive or tyrannical conduct toward" officers of an inferior rank, the tribunal heard in june. He was accused of withholding or suppressing complaints made against another member of the police service on two occasions.

he was also accused of using the police records system for his own purposes. it's alleged that one of those queries was for information about an ontario provincial police investigation into his own conduct.

The charges are for alleged acts that took place between march 2007 and january 2010.

Roy was charged with seven counts of discreditable conduct, two counts of insubordination and one count each of corrupt practice and neglect of duty.

Treitz was suspended on jan. 25, 2010. Roy was suspended feb. 16, 2010. Both were suspended with pay.

having resigned from the police service, the two officers are no longer subject to the ontario police services act, so the charges are effectively dropped, elsner said.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/11/02/...charges-resign
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Bump for CraigIS, apparently he hasn't learned history so maybe this small portion of recent history will change his mind and develop his sense of precedent of police brutality.
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