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Old 09-01-2011, 06:12 PM   #46
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I agree that you'd be loosing money...but that has nothing to do with whether the car is worth more or not. Spend 10k on a great swap, and the car will be worth more than stock..not 10k more, but "worth more". In my opinion, a well executed modified car includes lots of documentation and pictures that demonstrate the quality of work.

If it sells for a higher price, it's worth more. That's exactly what it means.

Higher selling price != higher return. Obviously. I've seen plenty of clean, well modified E30's sell into the 10k range...but very, VERY few stock ones. Value is dictated by the market.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:42 PM   #47
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Let me explain further:
Absolutely mint, rust free stock auto bronzit sedan = $2000. Yeah, you could "restore" it, but you wouldn't get much for it.
Professionally paint it alpine (with evidence that there was no rust repair), update the suspension with GC coilovers, S52 swap it while converting to 5-speed. There is NO QUESTION that it will sell for more than when it was stock. No, the seller won't make money, but it's still worth more. If I had to guess, the car would be $5-8k, depending on documentation and details.

Another: stock brown squaretail 2002 would be worth more if it was Inka, had an S14 (w/history), the right suspension and Panasports.

Another: 325it with full M3 swap? (One of my many automotive fantasies) Worth WAY more than if it was stock.

S52 swapped M3? Not worth more than a clean stock M3...but it's a different market.

E30's are great cars, but not all of them are some sort of collectors item that needs to be numbers matching.

You say a stock auto bronzit sedan is worth more stock than well modified...well, ok...no big deal.....but the market doesn't agree with you.

If you said "a stock car is a better buy" or "I prefer unmolested cars", I'd totally agree.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:58 PM   #48
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About the M50 M20 pissing contest, you will LOSE. What's the point of all of that work for equal results? Yeah yeah I know it makes 189 hp to the 168 hp of the M20 and that the torque values are equal, I also know that the M50 weighs slightly more and it's more about the power curve. Not to mention, you cannot really feel 20hp gain a good launch in an M20 can make a bigger difference. If you're spending the time and money, it's just a waste and fail.
Personally, the entire swap experience (from research to execution) was extremely rewarding once completed. I really enjoyed spending my time refreshing my new motor and eventually swapping it in the m42's place. To argue the only motors worth swapping are s5x is a bit ridiculous since they cost much more to swap in properly (engine alone is 2k+). I broke even money wise with my swap after parting out my M42 online. I'll admit though, if I had an m20 to begin with I doubt I would have done the swap. As far as speed goes: iv'e been able to consistently win vs my friend with a 2010 Cooper S in 1/4 mile by a couple car lengths. Unfortunately I don't know anyone with an e30 so I can't compare to an M20, but statistically the cooper S is faster than a stock m20 e30. Similar story vs my other friend's e36 328i coupe. Who were you dragging against? If anyone with an e30 is around Richmond Hill area I would love to compare motors one day .

OT talk aside, I would always prefer a clean stock e30 over a swapped car unless I had access to a full build thread/stack of receipts and pictures so I could make sure things were done properly with quality parts. Don't buy a Miata .
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:31 AM   #49
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i'd like to say

my m20 was a beautiful engine. i miss its sound. i did an m50 swap because i wanted to...there was nothing wrong with my m20

and i must say, my m50 pulls so much harder than the m20....and im sure my car duplicated, just with an m20, the m50 will dominate off the line and through out!

and of course, when you all say m50, you're talking about m50TU, not M50. right?
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:05 AM   #50
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For 20 more horse power and a bit more torque and the cost of the swap you could have rebuilt your M20 and with a wee bit more $ got as much, if not more power to the rear wheels and it would still look stock. Secondly, you'd avoid the headache of collecting and finding everything necessary to make the swap happen. thirdly the car is still worth more because it was kept ORIGINAL!!! Most people don't plan or budget themselves with it comes to doing a PROPER swap. So it doesn't come out the way it should. Planned, neatly tucked and properly routed wires etc. Details of the build and receipts to show, and have documentation. An M50 is a waste of time and money. For a bit more $ you would have been better off with an S52. At least you'd have significant gains. Amd you can brag it has an "M" engine.
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:56 AM   #51
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my m20 was a beautiful engine. i miss its sound. i did an m50 swap because i wanted to...there was nothing wrong with my m20
You want it back? I still have it minus the oil pan
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:55 AM   #52
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well i guess i lucked out with m50 swap i basically did the swap for about 600$ engine and oilpan included. finding the parts wasnt hard at all.

i still think a vanos m50 is so worth the swap.

and sure ill take it back. as long as it comes turbo since thats all it will take for me to ever reconsider an m20 again
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:59 PM   #53
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The cost of an S52 converted to OBD1 (which is how most people swap them in) when all is said and done is going to be 4k+. How is that saving a little extra money? That's like buying another e30 in mint shape. And sourcing the parts wasn't a headache for me at least; all of the challenges and work relating to the swap was FUN! I have to admit that my m50 has been less maintenance and more reliable than my m42 ever was, and with my driving style gets nearly the same fuel economy. I'm so glad I swapped in an m50tu in my DD.

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Old 09-04-2011, 10:02 AM   #54
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Old 09-06-2011, 11:43 PM   #55
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Yeah that white one is sick. But the price is more than I ever planned to spend on an E30. For the right person it's worth it though.
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Old 09-07-2011, 01:12 AM   #56
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Proof?

Here is proof that mint e30s exist...

this was a total tear-down and rebuild. new fenders, new rear 1/4 panels new trunk, everything under the car has been replaced, from bushings to the rack.

I almost sold her a few weeks ago too, but some of the board members pulled me back from the edge of insanity!
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:30 PM   #57
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I've dropped the price on mine....wife thinks I will regret it...I'm sure she's right

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