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Old 06-26-2011, 08:38 PM   #31
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for 4k, i can **** it up 80 times. i'm sure i'd get it right at least once.
when i first bought my car,i never thought i would wrenching on my own car.after the first bill from the mechanic,pass me a 10mm.
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:45 PM   #32
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I have doors and fenders I can test with. I can't wait to get started.
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:49 PM   #33
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First off, come check my car out at a meet...I painted it all with Tremclad rattle cans and am in the process of wet sanding and buffing...

As for having it done properly, my advice would be to get it done right and pay the money, or, do as much of it yourself, ie-sand and tape it, then have it towed and sprayed as cheaply as possible. No point paying over $1K for a crappy job, you're better off paying $500 for a crappy job...

The guys that are charging $4K will think that any work done by anyone else but them will look like garbage and try to scare you into thinking you will ruin your car if you go anywhere else, but the fact is, maybe 5-10% of the entire population will actually notice a less expensive paint job, and even then, they'll probably have to be within 10 feet of your car, looking for flaws.

Someone else asked earlier if you are going to put your car in shows? I think that's the question you need to answer. If so, get it done right and get the perfect job and pay a bit more. If not, do it cheaper and spend the money on other parts of the car to make it more fun to drive, because most everyone else will see a shiny car that's all the same colour.

Finally, can I also say that most of the paint and body people I spoke with were extremely negative, arrogant and rude? These guys make engineers seem humble and and approachable. When you try to get a deal, they treat you as though you are an absolute piece of crap, and lord help you if you do anything yourself, they won't even touch your car...I almost had to punch out about 3 of them based on attitude alone. Then again, I'd proabably have an attitude if I was charging people $4K for something that they could do themselves for $100 and have it at least look functional. It's painting a car, not repainting the sistine chapel, for God's sake...Everything they told me that would go wrong if I did it myself didn't happen...thanks for trying to take advantage of someone new by using scare tactics and BS, A$$holes
I looked through your thread and your car looks great in your photos. I'm really excited about doing it myself. Thanks to everyone for your input. I think I will start with the driver side fender which is currently red.
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:56 PM   #34
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First off, come check my car out at a meet...I painted it all with Tremclad rattle cans and am in the process of wet sanding and buffing...

As for having it done properly, my advice would be to get it done right and pay the money, or, do as much of it yourself, ie-sand and tape it, then have it towed and sprayed as cheaply as possible. No point paying over $1K for a crappy job, you're better off paying $500 for a crappy job...

The guys that are charging $4K will think that any work done by anyone else but them will look like garbage and try to scare you into thinking you will ruin your car if you go anywhere else, but the fact is, maybe 5-10% of the entire population will actually notice a less expensive paint job, and even then, they'll probably have to be within 10 feet of your car, looking for flaws.

Someone else asked earlier if you are going to put your car in shows? I think that's the question you need to answer. If so, get it done right and get the perfect job and pay a bit more. If not, do it cheaper and spend the money on other parts of the car to make it more fun to drive, because most everyone else will see a shiny car that's all the same colour.

Finally, can I also say that most of the paint and body people I spoke with were extremely negative, arrogant and rude? These guys make engineers seem humble and and approachable. When you try to get a deal, they treat you as though you are an absolute piece of crap, and lord help you if you do anything yourself, they won't even touch your car...I almost had to punch out about 3 of them based on attitude alone. Then again, I'd proabably have an attitude if I was charging people $4K for something that they could do themselves for $100 and have it at least look functional. It's painting a car, not repainting the sistine chapel, for God's sake...Everything they told me that would go wrong if I did it myself didn't happen...thanks for trying to take advantage of someone new by using scare tactics and BS, A$$holes
well said.
im gonna try it next weekend.my car needs paint in the worst way.
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:53 AM   #35
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I painted my car myself. I painted when i was in grade 12. 2 stage paint. And colour change. I paid 370 bucks for supplys. base, clear, prep wash and paper ect. I don't think it was that hard. I got an awesome 10 footer paint job. Just listen to everybody that prep is everything. What ever you can see or feel WILL show up in your paint. Take your time and do an awesome job sanding. And I beleive you can't buy waterbourn paint for rec use. but I know you can get solvent base, using it now. (just came in the garage from painting a friends bumper.) let me know if you have any other questions.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:20 AM   #36
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Thanks for everyone's input. I found this old thread (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...0&fpart=1&vc=1). Picked up a can of Tremclad Gloss Grey and I'm going to test the procedure on the fender that I have. The colour is a little darker than existing but I like grey and it will still match the Pacific Blue interior.
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Old 06-29-2011, 11:08 AM   #37
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Thanks for everyone's input. I found this old thread (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...0&fpart=1&vc=1). Picked up a can of Tremclad Gloss Grey and I'm going to test the procedure on the fender that I have. The colour is a little darker than existing but I like grey and it will still match the Pacific Blue interior.
Great find, I've read a few articles like this before but after reading that thread I think I'm going to do the same!!
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Let us know how it goes. Also, I would recommend giving it a lot of time to harden before you wet sand it.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:47 PM   #39
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Actually, I painted the fender with the gloss grey and didn't like it. Picked up some Fire Red instead. I sanded off the grey (took a while, paint hardened up pretty much overnight, even on the bare metal) and I'm almost ready to do it in red. The paint really levels out very nicely without orange peel. I was quite surprised.
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:29 PM   #40
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UPDATE. I've finished 6 coats of Tremclad Fire Red on my nice replacement fender. I have to say that I am very happy with the results. I followed the procedure in the link above. Thinned the paint with pure mineral spirits. No measure, just look for consistency of a little thicker than water. I think it was about 50-50 paint and mineral spirits. Rolled it on with a 4" foam roller. No mess (other than the roller). The 3rd and 4th coats were the best. The 5th and 6th coats I had to mix up some more and I don't think I thinned it enough since there was more orange peel.

The pictures below show the bottom part of the fender that has been hand buffed and waxed and the upper part that has just been sanded with 1000 grit and is still showing some orange peel. I'm going out tomorrow to get an orbital buffer. I can buff the leftover orange peel out with hand buffing so I'm sure the electric buffer will do an even better job. I'm hoping to get the old fender off and everything cleaned up so I can install the red fender this weekend.

It's hard to see the shine on the fender but the bottom is as smooth as glass. I will take pictures in the sunlight tomorrow.
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Old 07-09-2011, 07:02 PM   #42
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Just curious...

Why go the Thremclad route when you can buy single stage urethane? Much better gloss and durability.
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Why go the Thremclad route when you can buy single stage urethane? Much better gloss and durability.
Can I roll it on?
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Old 07-10-2011, 11:23 AM   #44
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Can I roll it on?
Single stage is basically urethane clearcloat with color pigments in it.
E30s along with some early model BMWs probably had single stage. Lots of other cars had it too.
If you choose to go this route, make sure to wear a respirator mask.

Example:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49036

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