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Old 03-15-2011, 08:37 AM   #16
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yeah Sam, Rich is right, your first investment (if you haven't already) SHOULD BE a top notch set of tires, they will do more than coilovers ever will..................
LOL I'm right???? Must be my newly flushed tigers blood, this warlock is....






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Old 03-15-2011, 10:35 PM   #17
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:01 PM   #18
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^^^ actually, you are both wrong ... I have seen a car on it's roof at an Auto-X event because it had some really good tires, BUT a soft suspension.
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:19 PM   #19
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^^I'm sorry, but I can only laugh! Please tell me what kind of car it was!
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:04 AM   #20
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It was a Suzuki Swift which is short and tall and this added to the possibility of a roll over, but the fact still remains that it is not a good mix.

All the best tires will not help you if your car can not keep its feet on the ground or the chasis is bouncing from one side to the other.

Prepare the car so it is stable and balanced. Put on Street tires and learn (feel) what the car is doing. You can not do that if you slap on R-comps right away.

But the point is ... SAFETY!!! Like I said, I have seen one car on its roof because of this and a few cars just about digging the rims into the pavement for the same reason.

sample of good suspension travel ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61EAtO-8Ovk

look at some of the posted pictures in the 2010 Auto-x season for samples of bad suspension travel and sticky tires...
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:16 AM   #21
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Who said r or a comps, I would say 615's or star specs as good tires, unless your very experienced and suspension is properly upgraded r or a comps on a stock car is not good.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:18 AM   #22
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Only 3 or 4 cars ran r comps last year, the modded minis, Rudy, Randy, and John and John only did after his suspension was upgraded
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:27 AM   #23
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unless your very experienced and suspension is properly upgraded r or a comps on a stock car is not good.
You are right here ... and that's ^^^ all I am saying.
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:23 PM   #24
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Hey Klaus, If we were talking about R comps I'd agree with you to a point. But I was simply stating, a lot of the autocrossers are showing up with off brand chinese made tires or Falken 452's, Kumho 712, or Exclaim UHP's and they are all crap when it comes to performance. Obviously bought based on price. However Dunlop star specs, Bridgestone Potenza's, Eagle F1's etc are top notch street tires that perform way better than the other's mentioned and won't chunk nearly as easily as they are designed for this kind of thing. Plus the PAX factor will not be affected as they are street legal DOT tires. R comps and A comps for that matter may move you into a different PAX factor that negatively hurts your times.
So that said, tires a BIG first modification then suspension. Not to mention purchasing top notch street tires, is way less expensive than a coilover setup.

From a performance aspect, (given an experienced driver) stock car with r comps is faster than coilovers and crappy street tires. No doubt about it.
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:33 PM   #25
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So the first event is about 7 weeks aways, and winter is starting to retreat, so I finally got a good chance to start going over the car for maintance and possible upgrades for this season.

I have a list of things to try and get done and since we all have to disclose our mods, I was wondering who's done what or will be doing before the first event.

Myself - new shocks for all 4 corners (just noticed one front and rear are blown)
- new pads and rotors front and rear, flush Motul RBF 600
- new rear control arms (thinking GC adjustable)
- installed one of my true CAI
- losing the A/C system, don't use it/doesn't work/dead weight
- oem front mounted electric fan is out there, puller installed to replace clutch fan
-Proper rims and rubbers, Kosei K1's with Falken 615's
- other various bushings and links changing to poly or spherical.

Now what have you got in the works for your autocrosser
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What was the reason that the entry fee went from $15 to $40? Do you have to pay to use the Powerade center?
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:00 PM   #27
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The fee for 2010 had gone up to $20 as we were including a bbq lunch. But the fee went up to $40 this year as yes the Powerade Centre is Charging a HUGE sum to use their facility. You don't have to be a mathemetician to figure out that we need 24 participants just to break even! Lunch no longer included! It's unfortunately the only option I had with a big parking lot. I've found a couple of landlords willing to play ball for nominal fees, but the lots were s%@t in comparison. I did an unofficial poll and everyone was unanimous about the willingness to spend $40/event if they had a venue as good as this. So that was the mitigating factor for using this venue. But by all means, we are not locked in more than one event in advance, so if you know a place as good for free, or lesser amounts PLEASE let me know. But as it stands this is what we're dealing with. You have no idea how many hours I've been on the phone, emailing, web searching to find something that works. Keep in mind there are insurance and liability issues to deal with as well. Smooth pavement, and of course the willingness of landlords to put up with some skid marks in their parking lot. I'm exhausted and the season hasn't even started yet.

But and this goes out to everyone, I look at this as OUR event not my event our being all of us who participate, so my ears are always open to suggestions. Some will work, some won't, but at least lets keep the dialogue open to make this the best darned autocross and events possible! Also volunteers are always needed, and appreciated, so if you're coming to this event and your significant other, cousin, sibling, parent, adult child, friend, etc, are willing to come and help, please let me know!

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No lunch? I thought you were going to say that the reason for the increase was the amazing lunch planned for 2011 cost $20 a person!

Anyway was just asking since it seemed like a big jump. Thanks for putting in all the effort it takes to run this. Now where is that guy that crashed and caused us to have to leave the SCIEX parking lot?
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:17 PM   #29
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No lunch? I thought you were going to say that the reason for the increase was the amazing lunch planned for 2011 cost $20 a person!

Anyway was just asking since it seemed like a big jump. Thanks for putting in all the effort it takes to run this. Now where is that guy that crashed and caused us to have to leave the SCIEX parking lot?

The incedents last year were not the only reason a new lot was needed, the old lot was small, and pavement was not as good, many people had disapeared from the event and those still running wanted a bigger lot to have bigger more challanging layouts, and are willing to pay a little more to get it!!
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My current mod that I'm working on is a slipping clutch. Sam and I installed a new clutch over a year ago, and now the POS is slipping on me!! I'm not looking forward to pulling the tranny again. I don't even know if it's the clutch disc, or the pressure plate, but the thing slips at high revs. I hate this stupid car. HATE IT!
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