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Old 06-18-2009, 01:36 PM   #1
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Arrow Mandatory Minimum Sentences Drug Bill PASSES!?! wtf!



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Go to google type C-15 NOT 1 f'n mainstream media link, not one!
where are we living, china? wtf?


and guess what big time dealers Want this, cause it makes it More Illegal (time)
so the drugs will become more valuable

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HARPER BILL C-15 - Google Search

it still has to pass senate, START Writing

this is what will be coming:
1 in every 32 u.s adults is in the system (parole, probation or incarcerated)
over 3million + people are in jail, more then china & russia combined. most for non violent drug offences (60%)
many of the prisons are corporately owned & the inmates make things, and way more then just licence plates.
the inmates may get like .40 cents an hour - slave work force
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Old 06-18-2009, 02:36 PM   #2
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but i dont possess illegal drugs.

i mean, look at middle east or southeast asian countries. you get executed for possession.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:01 PM   #3
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drugs are illegal! you possess or sell them then you should be in jail period!

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I don't agree with it for simple possession of a joint but if you have a grow-op. meth lab or are selling crack then yea i support minimum sentences!

If you are dealing with near a school or near children! yup minimum sentences!

If you are posing a risk to anyone by producing drugs i.e. grow-op's, meth labs next to your neoghbour's house! yup minimum sentences!

If you are importing/exporting large quantities of drugs..yup minimum sentences!

All that being said, they should also focus on other criminal offences and institute the same plan..like gun related offences would be a big one where minimum sentences should be in place! if you possess a firearm even if you don't use it for anything there should be a minimum sentence!

If this law is also for 16 year old johnny smoking a joint..then yea it's a bit harsh!

It's a good idea but it needs to be defined as to who and which circumstances it will apply too.

will it deter this type of crime?? probably not but it will still put dealers away for a while..drugs are the root of all crime and something needs to be done..most of the time dealers get a slap on the wrist..hopefully this will make them think twice before they sell crack/marijuana near an elementary school or high school!
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but i dont possess illegal drugs.

i mean, look at middle east or southeast asian countries. you get executed for possession.
yeah look at those awesome dictatorships & muslim theocracies

in some of them if a group of guys rapes a woman they'll Kill the woman for 1 being alone and 2 for shaming her family. yeah lets get more like that.

'i dont possess illegal drugs' hey either do i currently...but soley in regards to pot

I don't think a majority of canadians want to pay $80K + per inmate per year for some non violent guy
that had 2g's of pot on him or 5-10 plants growing in his backyard/home..
this is what will happen eventually, as its what happened in the states
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:25 AM   #5
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You know what is screwed...grow ops scum gets 2-3 months in jail but guys who are selling gets min one year.I know a few people who never worked a hard days in their life with $$$$..enough to buy property and nice cars with cash.Of course they are either pumping pills or growing weed or laundering money.Like the cops says its so transparent where the money is coming from but you must prove it in court.Like the Casino Rama problems where gangs go to Rama,put $100,000 a shot inside the machines to get the gaming cards,use maybe $5000 for gambling then cashes back out for $95000.If revenue canada asks where did all the money come from they say they "won it" at Rama and they have the receipts to prove it.
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but i dont possess illegal drugs.

i mean, look at middle east or southeast asian countries. you get executed for possession.
True! However I believe that`s to extreme. However it seems to work.
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Old 06-19-2009, 10:26 AM   #7
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I don't see the problem.

Just because Jails are overcrowded doesn't mean we should stop putting criminals there.

I do agree that we don't want to have to be paying for inmates to sit there, but that's also why I believe they should be put to work for no pay, bring back the good old chain gangs, picking up garbage on the side of the highways etc. Hard labour. Jail shouldn't be a fuc*ing picnic.
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I believe they should be put to work for no pay, bring back the good old chain gangs, picking up garbage on the side of the highways etc. Hard labour. Jail shouldn't be a fuc*ing picnic.
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Old 06-19-2009, 12:26 PM   #9
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I don't see the problem.

Just because Jails are overcrowded doesn't mean we should stop putting criminals there.

I do agree that we don't want to have to be paying for inmates to sit there, but that's also why I believe they should be put to work for no pay, bring back the good old chain gangs, picking up garbage on the side of the highways etc. Hard labour. Jail shouldn't be a fuc*ing picnic.
i agree.


they should make them have 8 hour work days.

the better they work, the more they work, they get better meals/and recreational activities to some degree.
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since this is the same thread as the last one:

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116744
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If you cant do the time............dont do the crime!
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in a re-creation of 1 of milgrams experiments 7 out of 10 or 70% of the nice people around you
would electric shock you to death if a man in a white lab coat told them too & told them to keep going

if you can't think on ur own, well just keep on keepn on

fuk it lets just bring back the Spanish Inquisition
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Old 06-21-2009, 04:52 PM   #15
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If you cant do the time............dont do the crime!
ha you'd probably be blindly chanting the same mantra if they started handing out 20 to life for JAYWALKING!

the rest of y'all (in this thread) would be lined up trying to get a job as 'whip operator' on the prisoners.
prisoners (sigh), sorry I mean 'worthless to society sub-human scumbag shitheads'
^ sidenote/ this may also be why serial killers murder prostitutes, they deem them as sub-human.

anyways sorry just want to fit in, don't want to get convicted of a 'face crime' for not fitting in.



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Cover Story: Is It Time To End The War On Drugs?

Written by Gary Poole
June 19, 2009 – 5:42 pm


It was a typical sunny day in Acapulco, Mexico. The type of day that draws millions of tourists every year to one of Mexico’s most famed vacation destinations. The beaches, the clubs, the fantastic resorts have for years been a major draw for those looking to get away from the stress of modern life.

What these visitors did not expect was a four-hour gun battle between the Mexican military and heavily armed members of the Beltrán Leyva drug cartel, resulting in the death of 13 drug traffickers, two soldiers, and an innocent father and son caught up in the crossfire.

Welcome to the War on Drugs, 2009 edition.


As the violence in Mexico escalates to frightening levels, fueled mainly by what Secretary of State Hillary Clinton terms America’s “insatiable” appetite for illicit drugs, many in government, law enforcement, academia and the business world have renewed the call for a long hard look at alternatives to what has become one of government policy’s largest failures since Prohibition ended in 1933.

When President Nixon announced the beginning of the “War on Drugs” in 1971, the stated goal was to reduce illegal drug trade and to diminish demand for substances deemed immoral, harmful, dangerous, or undesirable. During the Nixon era, the goal was not to incarcerate and punish drug users, but to stop the drug trade and begin programs to help Americans reduce their dependence on narcotics. It was the only time that more funding went towards treatment than law enforcement.

But like many government programs that start with the best of intentions, the war became distorted by those seeking political gain through appearing “tough on crime”, and the anti-drug warriors turned their attention inwards. The end result has been the highest percentage of incarcerated Americans of any time in our history. Over 2.2 million people are behind bars, a quadrupling of our prison population, with over 37 million arrests since 1971 on non-violent drug charges. Worse yet, in the past three decades, the number of deaths related to drug overdoses has risen more than 540 percent.


The Federal Government’s Household Survey on Drug Abuse, conducted annually, is the most commonly cited set of statistics on the prevalence of drug use. According to the latest surveys, about 12.7 million people have used some illegal drug in the last month, and perhaps 30 to 40 million have used some illegal drug within the last year. Of the 12.7 million who used illegal drugs in the last month, about 10 million are presumed to be casual drug users, and about 2.7 million are addicts.

“The stated goals of current U.S. drug policy—reducing crime, drug addiction, and juvenile drug use—have not been achieved, even after nearly four decades,” claims Jack A. Cole, Executive Director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). “Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were at the beginning of the war on drugs. We believe that to save lives and lower the rates of disease, crime and addiction as well as to conserve tax dollars, we must end drug prohibition.”

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