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Old 10-26-2012, 02:53 PM   #1
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Texting ticket?



I was on the gardiner in 5-10 km/h traffic, and i just peeked down to look at a message i got for 2 seconds...

Mind you i hold my phone below the wheel so no way he saw the phone, it was just me looking down for 2 seconds literally.


I don't even know how he saw me look down as he wasn't even beside me, but he decides its a great idea to pull me over on the highway for this and give me a ticket.


He says i pulled you over because you texted... So i thought i would be fair and not fight with him and i said yes i told work traffic is really and i will be late to be on site.
He says your coworker could have done it, i said no it needs to be from me.
He asks if i've had a ticket before or been in trouble with the law, i said never had a ticket in my life (im almost 26)

So... I was being honest and i've never had a ticket... this guy still ends up giving me a lame ass texting ticket.



Question is, fine if he caught me talking on the phone (which i never do)... but how do you proove i was "texting"

I could have said no i wasn't, i was cleaning crumbs off my lap... or i was getting a tissue..

It's not worth it for me to really fight this ticket as its 155$... and then i would have to take a day off (loose my pay that day), and then maybe get my ticket charge lowered?
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:06 PM   #2
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If you didn't reply, you should be able to win this. I believe there was a recent court case where the courts decided that it can't be black and white - you have to touch the damn phone to answer it before going "hands-free". You can look at the phone if you got a text to see what's up. So if you didn't reply, which your text log should show, during the time he pulled you over, you might be able to get off.
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:15 PM   #3
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The law is you can't have the device in your hand. There are loop holes like if the device plays music etc.

Call Paul Martin - 905-850-4084

He just got me off one basically the same situation as you. Set fee for all traffic tickets is $300 just bring him the ticket $150 deposit he will set the court date and you don't have to do anything. When you get the date in the mail he will require the other $150 then.

I have used him 4-5 time and he has always gotten all charges dropped.
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:56 PM   #4
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For what it's worth (not quite the same situation but I'm sure a lawyer could make it seem so)

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crim...n-toronto-case
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:00 PM   #5
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Your story is confusing...

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I was on the gardiner in 5-10 km/h traffic, and i just peeked down to look at a message i got for 2 seconds...

Mind you i hold my phone below the wheel so no way he saw the phone, it was just me looking down for 2 seconds literally.

and then you say...


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So i thought i would be fair and not fight with him and i said yes i told work traffic is really and i will be late to be on site.
He says your coworker could have done it, i said no it needs to be from me.

So what is it, you confessed to a crime you didn't commit or you were infact texting (using your phone) on the gardiner during traffic and fully deserve the ticket. Sorry but I get nervous watching peoples heads bob up and down in traffic or at a light knowing they are texting and wondering if I am about to get rear ended because of that stupid 13 year old girl shit. The cop was right on both counts, if you had a passenger they could have texted for you ( or wait a text has to literally come from your fingers or you admit to talking on the phone too? ). And secondly he was right gving you the ticket. Be a man, pay the fine and realize your shit is not worth hitting someone else and ruining their day or taking their life. And word to the wise, get your story straight if you fight it, based on your OP you need to polish the lie up.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #6
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So what is it, you confessed to a crime you didn't commit or you were infact texting (using your phone) on the gardiner during traffic and fully deserve the ticket. Sorry but I get nervous watching peoples heads bob up and down in traffic or at a light knowing they are texting and wondering if I am about to get rear ended because of that stupid 13 year old girl shit. The cop was right on both counts, if you had a passenger they could have texted for you ( or wait a text has to literally come from your fingers or you admit to talking on the phone too? ). And secondly he was right gving you the ticket. Be a man, pay the fine and realize your shit is not worth hitting someone else and ruining their day or taking their life. And word to the wise, get your story straight if you fight it, based on your OP you need to polish the lie up.
I'm not a distracted driver. I'm always fully aware of the road and my surroundings. Never had a ticket, nor been in any type of accident. So it has been fine for so many years to text and talk, and then it becomes the law.
Thats the same thing as in germany if they put the speed limit to 100, and someone gets caught 140..

I wasn't talking on the phone nor do i ever do it either.
And no i don't want to pay this ticket for no reason, when there are 1000's of other rules that are broken that are 10x worse than this.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:03 PM   #7
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Don't hire anyone. On the ticket check the option to plead guilty and speak to the prosecutor. It will be lowered and if need be you can still choose to fight the ticket in court if you do not get a better deal. You will get a better deal.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:06 PM   #8
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Also. always always always at the minimum talk the the prosecutor, screw "being a man" and pleading guilty to the original charge. You will f your insurance up for three years. Not worth it.
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Also. always always always at the minimum talk the the prosecutor, screw "being a man" and pleading guilty to the original charge. You will f your insurance up for three years. Not worth it.
You are right, being a man is so 1800's, now we feel the right to not have to answer for our actions, minor or not. I mean screw it, maybe when I see you Ill give your car a love tap and flee the scene, no need to man up or take respondsibility. Where is the line exactly when one must be a man? Thank god it isn't up to the last couple generations. Maybe just maybe if people took respondsibility they would think twice next time... sad world.
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You are right, being a man is so 1800's, now we feel the right to not have to answer for our actions, minor or not. I mean screw it, maybe when I see you Ill give your car a love tap and flee the scene, no need to man up or take respondsibility. Where is the line exactly when one must be a man? Thank god it isn't up to the last couple generations. Maybe just maybe if people took respondsibility they would think twice next time... sad world.
how one can equate looking at a phone in near grid lock (same difficulty level as changing a radio station) which is a statute/reg to a actual Crime 'fleeing an accident) which caused Actual property damage & possibly Injuries is beyond me. its kinda like 'reefer madness' type thinking imo.

see: one is victimless crime with a profit driven motive to suck money out of already over taxed people. the other one has actual property damage & possible injury to people. the end game of your logic is that to keep us safe we must ban driving! or have the gov watch us drive with a 100K p/year beaurocrat intently watching our every action with that in cabin cctv, ready to assume control at any moment to keep us all 'safe'

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A senior Vancouver police officer who rear-ended a car while using his cell phone has been issued a ticket for distracted driving.


Deputy Chief Constable Warren Lemcke, head of the Vancouver Police Department’s investigation division, was making a "work-related call" January 4 when the traffic in front of him stopped abruptly.

Constable Lemcke was looking down at his phone and by the time he realized the car ahead of him wasn't moving, it was too late to avoid a collision, reports the Globe and Mail.

No one was seriously injured, and the car Cst. Lemcke struck was able to drive away. His cruiser, however, had to be towed.

http://autos.sympatico.ca/auto-news/...racted-driving






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see: one is victimless crime with a profit driven motive to suck money out of already over taxed people. the other one has actual property damage & possible injury to people. the end game of your logic is that to keep us safe we must ban driving! or have the gov watch us drive with a 100K p/year beaurocrat intently watching our every action with that in cabin cctv, ready to assume control at any moment to keep us all 'safe'









You lost me at one is a victimless crime...it is only a crime so it doesn't lead to a non victimless situation. It is a crime to speed too but when you get a ticket for that you dont say it is victimless (because you have yet to hurt someone) therefore the charge should be dropped. Your thinking is pre accident, it isnt about what it stopped that moment rather what it could stop in the future...like the next time you drive and wish to use your cell or speed etc.

I find it ironic you can defend the act when its a fellow citizen yet then show how a cop caused a accident while doing it, you cant play both sides of the line, you either agree it is an act that can lead to injury and therefore a law which you agree should be enforced or you don't. If you don't the cop did nothing wrong either and shit just happens.

There is no evidence proving that we are better drivers while using our cellphone, quite the opposite.
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You lost me at one is a victimless crime...it is only a crime so it doesn't lead to a non victimless situation. It is a crime to speed too but when you get a ticket for that you dont say it is victimless (because you have yet to hurt someone) therefore the charge should be dropped. Your thinking is pre accident, it isnt about what it stopped that moment rather what it could stop in the future...like the next time you drive and wish to use your cell or speed etc.

I find it ironic you can defend the act when its a fellow citizen yet then show how a cop caused a accident while doing it, you cant play both sides of the line, you either agree it is an act that can lead to injury and therefore a law which you agree should be enforced or you don't. If you don't the cop did nothing wrong either and shit just happens.

There is no evidence proving that we are better drivers while using our cellphone, quite the opposite.
holy logical fallicies & for the love of social conditioning & Pre-Crime bro
again your logic is like: people Could get hurt, so we'd better kill them all so they'll be Safe.
And I appreciate your opinion on what you think I may or may not think & what side of some line its on - but i do not agree.

Like the cop hitting someone - he was ticketed, ticketed for careless causing an actual Accident. not the percieved future possibility that he Might hit someone. its like: all men have penises does this mean they should all be charged for some possible future rape they may do? I mean they have penises right?

as for the other police pictures this was in wasted effort to show - this is what the majority of the public think from seeing it 1st hand: DO as we Say not as we Do.


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I have seen many of your posts in the off topic forum, and for the most part there is validity to the points you make.

But you’re only fooling yourself if you actually believe what you just wrote there.

Maybe you should re read it to yourself a few times. Then go do your research and see if your opinion changes. There is a very good reason why this law was put in place. It wasn’t cause the government was looking for a new avenue for profit. There are many ways they could accomplish that.

I for one support it. If you get caught texting in stop and go traffic, who is to say you wouldn’t later get comfortable with the idea and start texting at speed, or possibly on the Hwy one day, or maybe rolling down a street at a 40km/h crawl, and some young kid runs out from behind a car, but your nose is too buried in a text to notice (which you could have responded to 10 to 15mins later when you reach your destination, or just pull over if its that urgent) and you end that kids life, or turn them into a quadriplegic leaving the family with a life time of dependency, or the loss of a child.
research, its been done. here's some: most red light camera intersections have shorter yellows to generate revenue. Studies showed that Our local goverment will happily jeopordize the safety & actual lives of your children or their mothers for the Money, as rear end accidents are higher at those intersections, From people trying to avoid a Ticket or monitary loss. other studies have compared roads with higher speed limits in other nations & found that it does not mean higher accidents or death. oddly it was found that hi-ways that were less policed had Less accidents & death compared to heavily policed hi-ways. wow imagine that when people aren't worried about losing all their money to mobile tax collectors they can actually pay attention the fuk'n road- Amazing.

as for 'kid runs out from behind a car' kinda red hearing, heart strings type stuff, no. what if that kids parents taught little tire stain to not run out into the road because they'll die? ya know basic good parenting stuff. all these what ifs, all this future seeing - lifes not safe people. what if you trip & fall down the stairs, better ban stairs? what if people stab each other - better ban kitchen knives - in fact everything pointy Everywhere! men could sexually assault someone - better cut off all mens pointy penises.
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how one can equate looking at a phone in near grid lock (same difficulty level as changing a radio station) which is a statute/reg to a actual Crime 'fleeing an accident) which caused Actual property damage & possibly Injuries is beyond me. its kinda like 'reefer madness' type thinking imo.

see: one is victimless crime with a profit driven motive to suck money out of already over taxed people. the other one has actual property damage & possible injury to people. the end game of your logic is that to keep us safe we must ban driving! or have the gov watch us drive with a 100K p/year beaurocrat intently watching our every action with that in cabin cctv, ready to assume control at any moment to keep us all 'safe'

I have seen many of your posts in the off topic forum, and for the most part there is validity to the points you make.

But you’re only fooling yourself if you actually believe what you just wrote there.

Maybe you should re read it to yourself a few times. Then go do your research and see if your opinion changes. There is a very good reason why this law was put in place. It wasn’t cause the government was looking for a new avenue for profit. There are many ways they could accomplish that.

I for one support it. If you get caught texting in stop and go traffic, who is to say you wouldn’t later get comfortable with the idea and start texting at speed, or possibly on the Hwy one day, or maybe rolling down a street at a 40km/h crawl, and some young kid runs out from behind a car, but your nose is too buried in a text to notice (which you could have responded to 10 to 15mins later when you reach your destination, or just pull over if its that urgent) and you end that kids life, or turn them into a quadriplegic leaving the family with a life time of dependency, or the loss of a child.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:29 PM   #14
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brb gonna get you a cape and a medal

The rest of us fallible humans will continue to use whatever avenues available to us to minimize the consequences of our mistakes
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Come now, merely obeying the law is not taking a high horse approach. We all like to complain about greedy executives, theives and people who screw others over in general. Do we not wish they be held accountable for their actions. Be careful what you wish for, live by the sword, die by it. Sometimes mistakes carry fines, that is how we hopefully learn by them and not merely minimize.

I mean what did our parents teach us right from wrong for and punish us when we made "mistakes" as you like to say. They were wasting their time, they were wrong, when I broke that window playing ball in the house my dad should have helped me create a lie to tell my mother to help minimize my consequense. That way I could grow up and be the man he always hoped Id be, one who minimizes accountability, plays the system to minimize punishment and avoids being a REAL man. My dad was so horrible growing up, disciplining me...guess he didnt know any better.

What is scary is you who believe fighting a ticket you deserve will raise children yourself. What will you teach them to do when they make a mistake, on purpose lol
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