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Old 09-29-2011, 02:21 PM   #1
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e36 front control arm halp

So ive been reading and aparantley e30 control arms fit e36s. They have solid metal outer balljoints. Is anyone knowledgable enough to say if they last longer?
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Old 09-29-2011, 02:55 PM   #2
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I know e36 control arms on an e30 messes up the geometry of the wheel, the wheel ends not being centered unless other things are changed.
So therefore I assume it would do the reverse to an e36. The reason why guys use e36 control arms on an e30 is for the 5-lug swap.

On another note,
E30 ball joints work and can be pressed into E36 M3 control arms.
E36 M3 ball joints aren't replaceable (there is no part#).

Non-ms are replaceable, but regardless what are you trying to achieve? I don't think it's worth the trouble, just replace it with what you have. (unless you have m3 control arms)
Ball Joints were a weak part on both cars......just consider it a wear item and change it.
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:49 PM   #3
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you can replace the e36 m3 ball joints.

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On another note,
E30 ball joints work and can be pressed into E36 M3 control arms.
E36 M3 ball joints aren't replaceable (there is no part#).
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you can replace the e36 m3 ball joints.

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Thank you for what? Repeating what I said or for providing a link to bf.c?
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Old 09-29-2011, 04:22 PM   #5
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Just get the Meyle HD control arms and call it a day.
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Old 09-30-2011, 09:25 PM   #6
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Just get the Meyle HD control arms and call it a day.
Couldn't agree more!
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:33 PM   #7
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I agree with the Meyle HD arms; they served me well on my car. As well as their rear shock bushings too....
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Just get the Meyle HD control arms and call it a day.
Can you get Meyle arms for an M3 ? I thought they were non-M only ?
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Don't think of it as a harsher ride, think of it as more precise handling. After all, the suspension takes all of the load. The ball joint is just going to make the suspension geometry more precise.

When you replace the rubber control arm bushing with an M3 bushing/urethane/polyurethane, then you'll notice a firmer ride. I replaced mine with Bavarian Auto urethane on the front, and with Bilstein Sport struts they were a bit pogo-ee on dips in the road, but the handling and braking was excellent. The installers did complain about how hard it was to install them though... I just regret not replacing the rear suspension bushings with something firmer, as the rear didn't perform as well. But the strut bearings were stock (although I replaced those too because they were worn)--overall the ride was very comfortable but firm; never an issue summer or winter, and with 17" rims I even enjoyed a few autocrosses with the BMW club. I did use the Eibach ProKit (only 1-1.5" drop), so really your choice of springs/struts/bushings are going to determine how harsh the ride is, not the ball joints.
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Can you get Meyle arms for an M3 ? I thought they were non-M only ?
You can use the arms for the 3-series but you'll want to change to 95 M3 control arm bushings.
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Old 02-19-2012, 12:41 PM   #11
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I believe the control arms between the E36 3-Series and the M3 are the same in the sense that they are interchangeable; the M3 ball joints may be more like the Meyle HD, but the control arm bushings are different---that's why most people replace theirs with the M3 bushing--there's just more rubber to reduce deflection of the control arm during braking and cornering, but still comfortable for street use.

Also, on the M3's the stabilizer links connect to the strut, not the control arm like on the 3-Series, but there's nothing to say you can't do the same. You'll notice that on some struts (like Bilstein Sports) that they have the eyelet to connect the stabilizer link to it, depending if you're using it on an M3 or not---same strut for both M and non-M cars. Mind you, you do have to use the longer M3 stabilizer link if you use that setup.

I have come across postings in the past that have claimed that you can also use the aluminum E30 M3 control arms on our cars, but dunno if it's true, or if you can bolt it up that the suspension geometry is the same. E46's use the same ball joints, but dunno if their control arms are the same---haven't worked on those generations so I can only speculate.

The photos are of a 95 M3 control arm bushing (used on my 92 325i) and a Bavarian Auto Urethane bushing for comparison---that type of urethane I don't believe is sold anymore by Bavarian Auto.

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You can use the arms for the 3-series but you'll want to change to 95 M3 control arm bushings.
Do you end up with exactly the same geometry with this configuration ?

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Do you end up with exactly the same geometry with this configuration ?

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Yes. The 95 M3 geometry is the same as the non M geometry.
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technically you can replace the e36 m3 ball joints..with e30 units...and yes theres a link with part numbers for..anyone to refer to
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technically you can replace the e36 m3 ball joints..with e30 units...and yes theres a link with part numbers for..anyone to refer to
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