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Old 06-03-2010, 02:57 AM   #1
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Israeli Racism & Hate?



"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely..."

I am sure there a lot decent Israelis out there but some of the stuff in this video is pure disgusting.

I can see how some of the hate is directed towards arab muslims but don't understand the hatered against christians depicted here...

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Old 06-03-2010, 10:34 AM   #2
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i know this thread will end up being deleted but as i said before Israel aint no saint!!!!
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:17 PM   #3
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No doubt the stuff in that vid is disgusting, but on the other hand, it would be just as easy to make a vid of the racism and bigotry on the other side. In every race/religion/country there is this same racism, and anyone could make a video of it if they selectively choose the worst parts.

I would also say, that this level of hatred and racism comes from years of war and generational hatred. As sad as it is, I would argue, most people around the world would act exactly the same way if they grew up under the same environment.

Hell, even in Canada, it would be easy to make a vid of hatred towards Americans, and we're allies!

We live in a sad world unfortunately.
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:54 PM   #4
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No doubt the stuff in that vid is disgusting, but on the other hand, it would be just as easy to make a vid of the racism and bigotry on the other side. In every race/religion/country there is this same racism, and anyone could make a video of it if they selectively choose the worst parts.

I would also say, that this level of hatred and racism comes from years of war and generational hatred. As sad as it is, I would argue, most people around the world would act exactly the same way if they grew up under the same environment.

Hell, even in Canada, it would be easy to make a vid of hatred towards Americans, and we're allies!

We live in a sad world unfortunately.
Very true!
The only thing i would add is that unfortunatelly this side of the story does not get as much exposure as the other side!
After all Israel is the only country in the world that can board civilian ships, kill civilians and not be clasified as a terrorist! If the Palestinians or Iranians had done this i am certain there would be some bombings there by now!
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Old 06-03-2010, 02:06 PM   #5
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Very true!
The only thing i would add is that unfortunatelly this side of the story does not get as much exposure as the other side!
After all Israel is the only country in the world that can board civilian ships, kill civilians and not be clasified as a terrorist! If the Palestinians or Iranians had done this i am certain there would be some bombings there by now!
Let's get our facts straight Magnus. There is a legally recognized blockade of ports in Gaza. Ships tried to breach a blockade. These ships were NOT shot at. They were boarded (as many countries do to many ships, including Canadian military) to be turned away. The Israeli's were attacked with weapons before they were even down the lines. The Israelis didn't attack anyone. Their lives were in danger by a mob on the ship, and they did what they had to do to save their own lives. They even delivered most of the aid supplies from the ships to Gaza after they were seized, with the exception of banned materials.
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Old 06-03-2010, 02:44 PM   #6
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Let's get our facts straight Magnus. There is a legally recognized blockade of ports in Gaza. Ships tried to breach a blockade. These ships were NOT shot at. They were boarded (as many countries do to many ships, including Canadian military) to be turned away. The Israeli's were attacked with weapons before they were even down the lines. The Israelis didn't attack anyone. Their lives were in danger by a mob on the ship, and they did what they had to do to save their own lives. They even delivered most of the aid supplies from the ships to Gaza after they were seized, with the exception of banned materials.
Bro, are you kidding me? Way to argue self-defense, like israel is the victim here. I'm tired of this crap, all this justification for israels actions. It's time this crap be heard by the UN tribunal for human rights violations. People like you are so hard to talk to, just don't open your God damn mouth. You're too stupid and stubborn.

And believe me Israel isn't only in bad light right now, Israel is in twilight.
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Old 06-03-2010, 04:07 PM   #7
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Bro, are you kidding me? Way to argue self-defense, like israel is the victim here. I'm tired of this crap, all this justification for israels actions. It's time this crap be heard by the UN tribunal for human rights violations. People like you are so hard to talk to, just don't open your God damn mouth. You're too stupid and stubborn.

And believe me Israel isn't only in bad light right now, Israel is in twilight.
When did I say Israel was a victim in this case? Someone called this case a terrorist act and I laid out the FACTS. Tell me exactly who attacked who here? Then tell me how it's terrorism.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:48 PM   #8
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Let's get our facts straight Magnus. There is a legally recognized blockade of ports in Gaza. Ships tried to breach a blockade. These ships were NOT shot at. They were boarded (as many countries do to many ships, including Canadian military) to be turned away. The Israeli's were attacked with weapons before they were even down the lines. The Israelis didn't attack anyone. Their lives were in danger by a mob on the ship, and they did what they had to do to save their own lives. They even delivered most of the aid supplies from the ships to Gaza after they were seized, with the exception of banned materials.
Actually humanitarian aid is always let through. so even if there was a block they should have let them through. And as for facts i read and watched interviews of greeks that came back yesterday. One of them claimed and judging from the bruises was telling the truth that he was beaten up by soldiers to the point he went into a shock and at this point the injected him with tranqualisers and continued beating. They took all food and medicine away from the doctors that was meant to be given in Gaza. How is that right?
They did attack them as they boarded the ships with no warning and shot a few people.
All the people on board were unarmed btw!
They did not deliver the aids. They were asked by UN to do so and they agreed.
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:31 PM   #9
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Actually humanitarian aid is always let through. so even if there was a block they should have let them through. And as for facts i read and watched interviews of greeks that came back yesterday. One of them claimed and judging from the bruises was telling the truth that he was beaten up by soldiers to the point he went into a shock and at this point the injected him with tranqualisers and continued beating. They took all food and medicine away from the doctors that was meant to be given in Gaza. How is that right?
They did attack them as they boarded the ships with no warning and shot a few people.
All the people on board were unarmed btw!
They did not deliver the aids. They were asked by UN to do so and they agreed.
Magnus do your homework. The Israelis warned the ships they wouldn't be allowed into Gaza 6 hours before they boarded them, and they did not shoot anyone until after they had been beaten and stabbed by dozens of people on board.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NPCI...has_verified=1 is video of the attack by "peaceful" activists.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...aza-bound-ship includes a statement that "None of the passengers interviewed by AP have said lethal force was used by the Israelis before they boarded the ship."

Humanitarian aid did reach Gaza, via Israel, after this event. What they don't allow in to Gaza is full ships that could include any items or even weapons.
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Old 06-04-2010, 05:21 PM   #10
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Let's get our facts straight Magnus. There is a legally recognized blockade of ports in Gaza. Ships tried to breach a blockade. These ships were NOT shot at. They were boarded (as many countries do to many ships, including Canadian military) to be turned away. The Israeli's were attacked with weapons before they were even down the lines. The Israelis didn't attack anyone. Their lives were in danger by a mob on the ship, and they did what they had to do to save their own lives. They even delivered most of the aid supplies from the ships to Gaza after they were seized, with the exception of banned materials.

LOL an illegal blockade of Gaza strip... They wont let humanitarian aid get through WHICH turkey had searched the ship and proclaimed it as weapons free and as a humanitarian ship.

THEN the ISraeli Defence force BOARDS THE SHIP.... THAts right BOARDS THE SHIP with force, and the soldiers got attacked and opened fire with machine guns AGAINST PEOPLE THAT HAD NO WEAPONS? Really... and the soldiers were the victims right?

WTF did they think was going to happen?

Its amazing that Israel/Gaza, and that whole area is allowed to continue on like this for so many ****ing years and not a think is being done by the international community.. Problem is now that so many ****ing families have lost loved ones to gunships and bomings that they wont turn a blind eye and they dont want peace.

**** if my family was killed the way those people are dieing, I would vow revenge as well.
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:14 PM   #11
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Very true!
The only thing i would add is that unfortunatelly this side of the story does not get as much exposure as the other side!
After all Israel is the only country in the world that can board civilian ships, kill civilians and not be clasified as a terrorist! If the Palestinians or Iranians had done this i am certain there would be some bombings there by now!
That is because we live in such a fake and sad world. People only look at you if you got cash. I recall this year when Macabi Tel Aviv came to play Serbian basketball giants Partizan Belgrade. They got some very nice NBA players to come to Isreal to play. Where do they get the cash to pay them? That is the bottom line. It is the country with too many special perks and what not.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:49 PM   #12
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That is because we live in such a fake and sad world. People only look at you if you got cash. I recall this year when Macabi Tel Aviv came to play Serbian basketball giants Partizan Belgrade. They got some very nice NBA players to come to Isreal to play. Where do they get the cash to pay them? That is the bottom line. It is the country with too many special perks and what not.
My thoughts exactly.
As i said if it was Iran acting like Israel they would be bombed by now! But everyone chickens out with Israel!
I am not going to argue with no1 in here as this is not an easy arguement to do here.
However these people that were attacked(and they were attacked and were defenceless) should see justice done and see Israel pay for this. Having Israel allowed to do internal investigations is not even a slap on the wrist.
They are acting like terrorist too(dont forget what happened in Dubhai a few months ago) and they get away with it! Why?
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I have to agree. I find it funny when they said "Obama is a muslim". He is a muslim as much as I am. If you leave your homeland for more than ten years span period, the chances are that you will never go back there to live again.

If you have not been there for more than 20 years, you will get smacked up with a cultural shock and will want to return rightaway where you came from. People are not realistic.



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No doubt the stuff in that vid is disgusting, but on the other hand, it would be just as easy to make a vid of the racism and bigotry on the other side. In every race/religion/country there is this same racism, and anyone could make a video of it if they selectively choose the worst parts.

I would also say, that this level of hatred and racism comes from years of war and generational hatred. As sad as it is, I would argue, most people around the world would act exactly the same way if they grew up under the same environment.

Hell, even in Canada, it would be easy to make a vid of hatred towards Americans, and we're allies!

We live in a sad world unfortunately.
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Old 06-03-2010, 02:01 PM   #14
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That video is designed entirely to show Israel in a bad light without ANY context whatsoever. It showed a few second clip of a little kid spitting at a camera. What's racist about that? Whoever made the video is hateful themselves and the same might be said about people who spread it.
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:47 PM   #15
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LOL I'm going to stay out of this thread
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