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Old 06-17-2009, 09:04 PM   #1
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Ontario drinkers may find it more difficult to find liquor this summer if talks don’t pick up between the Liquor Control Board of Ontario and the union representing 6,000 of its workers.

The Ontario Public Service Employees Union announced Friday that it has asked its members to deliver a mandate for it to call a strike.
Union members will vote between May 20-22 and a strike could take place as early as late June, OPSEU spokesman Randy Robinson said.

The LCBO has never gone on strike.

The main issue is the breakdown between full-time and part-time jobs, said Robinson, who added that 60% of LCBO workers fall into the casual worker category and earn an annual income of less than $20,800 per year.

“The central issue is what kind of jobs do we want in Ontario?” he said. “ Do we want ones with decent pay and benefits, or insecure part-time, throwaway jobs?”

Robinson said 88% of unionized LCBO workers who have joined the company in the last 10 years and 96% who came on board less than five years ago are classified as casual workers, meaning they don’t qualify for full-time benefits.

“Thirty years ago, (the LCBO) had all full-time jobs. Now we’re down to 40%.”

Workers have been without a contract since March 31 and their union has been in talks with management for about four weeks, Robinson said.

Should its membership vote to give the union a strike mandate, it would have to continue to negotiate in good faith before filing dispute documentation with the province. A strike could take place approximately three weeks afterward, Robinson said.

Calls to the LCBO were not immediately returned.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:14 PM   #2
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how about option 3, dismantle LCBO and sell the alcohol in grocery stores like it's supposed to be done
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:58 PM   #3
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how about option 3, dismantle LCBO and sell the alcohol in grocery stores like it's supposed to be done
Alot of people seem to draw this conclusion as an easy way out, same with Beer.

The fact is this:

-Grocery store wont make it cheaper.
-Grocery store will not have the same variety.
-Grocery stores will be hit with heavy transportation costs.
-Stores that offer variety, will be like Liquor stores, except privately run- same idea as part time, throw away workers.
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:20 AM   #4
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Alot of people seem to draw this conclusion as an easy way out, same with Beer.

The fact is this:

-Grocery store wont make it cheaper.
-Grocery store will not have the same variety.
-Grocery stores will be hit with heavy transportation costs.
-Stores that offer variety, will be like Liquor stores, except privately run- same idea as part time, throw away workers.
I'm so glad that nobody in my household drinks or smokes.
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:16 AM   #5
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how about option 3, dismantle LCBO and sell the alcohol in grocery stores like it's supposed to be done
horrible idea.. I have worked midnight shifts at store for a while. The last thing you want is drunks looking for alcohol. Them just coming in drunk to buy shi# is bad enough. I have been in many hairy situations.

They would need to alow store clerks to carry guns if they where to do this.
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:25 AM   #6
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horrible idea.. I have worked midnight shifts at store for a while. The last thing you want is drunks looking for alcohol. Them just coming in drunk to buy shi# is bad enough. I have been in many hairy situations.

They would need to alow store clerks to carry guns if they where to do this.

sounds like a typical union member,we are "trained" to do our job properly and independent workers can not.Go anywhere in the world where wine and beer is sold in corner stores and everything works fine,the LCBO workers must realize they are store clerks,nothing more nothing less.Letting big chain stores probably offer more variety since they have the ability to order what they want and what amount they want.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:32 AM   #7
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sounds like a typical union member,we are "trained" to do our job properly and independent workers can not.Go anywhere in the world where wine and beer is sold in corner stores and everything works fine,the LCBO workers must realize they are store clerks,nothing more nothing less.Letting big chain stores probably offer more variety since they have the ability to order what they want and what amount they want.


umm no I am not a union member.. and by the sounds of it you have never had to work in a situation with drunks and late nights by your self in a store.

Theft will go up no doubt in my mind if they ever did that.

and "drugs" should not be sold in joe blows store it needs to be sold in single locations. Going through the states and seeing alcohol in gas stations is messed up in my mind.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:35 AM   #8
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Going through the states and seeing alcohol in gas stations is messed up in my mind.
when i was in montreal last year for ufc, i was buying beer at a gas station.
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umm no I am not a union member.. and by the sounds of it you have never had to work in a situation with drunks and late nights by your self in a store.

Theft will go up no doubt in my mind if they ever did that.

and "drugs" should not be sold in joe blows store it needs to be sold in single locations. Going through the states and seeing alcohol in gas stations is messed up in my mind.
how the hell are you comparing drugs to wine?...Yes I deal with the public so before saying that EVERYONE coming into a store is wasted maybe you should take a look at most cities that has wine and beer at the corner store,it works if regulated.The store have a choice of carrying the wine/beer,like stores have the choice to sell smokes."single location" to sell items,sounds like a monopoly to me.
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umm no I am not a union member.. and by the sounds of it you have never had to work in a situation with drunks and late nights by your self in a store.

Theft will go up no doubt in my mind if they ever did that.

and "drugs" should not be sold in joe blows store it needs to be sold in single locations. Going through the states and seeing alcohol in gas stations is messed up in my mind.
LOL you can't be serious, saying it's messed up to see beer in gas stations? You realize it's like that pretty much everywhere else in the world except here, right?

That's the ****ed up thing with Canadian views on booze, you're a perfect representative for them. You see it is as a drug, to get ****ed up on and that's it, but go get out of Canada and see how it's seen in other cultures. A lot of people have a glass or two of wine with dinner, or a beer or 2 after they get home from work. People don't drink to be come smashed and wasted all the time. For them it's just another beverege to put in their cart at the grocery stores, no big deal. For YOU it's "OMG, that guy is buying beer what a drunk he's gonna go home and chug it all and puke everywhere".

I hate this country's view on booze, how drinking is seen as such a bad thing. Like that you can't drink in public. God forbid someone drink a beer when they're hanging out in a park with their friends. NOooooooooooo, it would be oh so horrible we have to do this horrible activity ONLY in our homes, because if someone sees you drinking a beer in the street, shit will go down.
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Even if there is a strike it wont last long because the government won't like not being able to collect the 12% tax on everything sold at the LCBO.
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Even if there is a strike it wont last long because the government won't like not being able to collect the 12% tax on everything sold at the LCBO.
Try over 50% for alcohol tax.
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Try over 50% for alcohol tax.
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for alcohol the equation is

$11.066 per liter of pure alcohol + $28.58 (+gst) in Provincial liqour mark up fee and then your GSt + Pst on top.

I think I might be forgetting one other value.


this is the equation my Customs teacher told us. You can find all this on Canada Customs website.
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for alcohol the equation is

$11.066 per liter of pure alcohol + $28.58 (+gst) in Provincial liqour mark up fee and then your GSt + Pst on top.

I think I might be forgetting one other value.


this is the equation my Customs teacher told us. You can find all this on Canada Customs website.
yeah I guess thats approximately right because you can buy 95% alcohol at the LCBO, $24.20 for 500mL so thats $48.40/L.
So ($11.066 + $28.58) x 12% PST/OST charged on alcohol sold by the LCBO is about $45/L
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