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Old 12-05-2011, 02:35 AM   #101
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1. Peter Schiff is not a politician
2. Peter predicted the housing bubble in 2005, Ron paul predicted it in the 1980's, really reiterated it in 2003 I think it was, and bam it happened. Trust me you this man knows what he is talking about.
3. What caused these problems is more government a. government backed bad loans b. over inflation in the markets because of lack of competition
4. Damn right im against socialism, so are alot of people at OWS who are libertarians
5. wtf is corporate libertarianism? Last I checked libertarians do not believe in companies having human rights and qualities.
6. Those federal branches are a bunch of bureaucrats
7. The current system is what is called Crony capitalism, it is what happens with more government look it up, it is the cause of all these problems.
8. Don't misrepresent people at OWS, not all (wouldnt even say the majority) believe in socialism, alot of people want change but in a libertarian approach, they want "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" something you will NOT get with more government
9. You will notice Ron Paul is a libertarian, while the rest of the GOP politicians believe stripping your human rights internationally (war), and domestically (patriot act).
10. Countries (especially nordic countries) have been becoming less socialist in recent years. Parties in power in sweden: the alliance Finland: national coalition party and norway: progress party added with the conservative party hold more seats then the socialist party
11. Look at left leaning countries and compare GDP per capita to GDPppp.
12. In the past 5-6 years socialism has been DECIMATED, as people realize that crony capitalism has caused all of this to happen, and there is no place for it in a capitalist society.
13. If you think Canada, USA, or any of the European countries will drop capitalism all together in favor for full blown socialism, you are delusional.
14. Question for you: would you rather have lived on the west or east side of Berlin(1961–1989)?
1.Peter Schiff is not a politician

Yes I said a politician or whoever, let me emphasize, WHOEVER

2. Peter predicted the housing bubble in 2005, Ron paul predicted it in the 1980's, really reiterated it in 2003 I think it was, and bam it happened. Trust me you this man knows what he is talking about.

Ok alot of people predicted it. Have you seen the documentary Inside Job? Why should I trust you lol, so far in this thread was nothing I would have taken face value information from you lol.

3. What caused these problems is more government a. government backed bad loans b. over inflation in the markets because of lack of competition

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you did not see Inside Job

4. Damn right im against socialism, so are alot of people at OWS who are libertarians

Ok. You do realize both are feasible right? its the whole expansionist vs redistribution argument? Again been discussed on this thread already and I keep stating that history has shown to this day that expansionism has done horrible things and created flawed systems. So why not go for socialism where other countries it works for them? oh wait no you don't think so.

5. wtf is corporate libertarianism? Last I checked libertarians do not believe in companies having human rights and qualities.

Well you should have asked that a while ago cause I kept mentioning it lol. You do realize that our "freedom" as any western politician says it includes economic freedom and competition. Meaning they have individual rights, most easily identified internationally with the Bretton woods institutes. But ok if you say that liberals are against that then I learned something today. Again though none will ever be elected in the US as they operate within a corporate libertarian framework. The closest thing we will see are incremental changes, if that (doubt it cause of precedents set).

6. Those federal branches are a bunch of bureaucrats

What an intelligent sentence ey.

7. The current system is what is called Crony capitalism, it is what happens with more government look it up, it is the cause of all these problems.

Uh huh. Crony capitalism no shit sherlock, doesn't classify more government being bad/corrupt, it just means the current one is lol. Yes it is the cause. Established that loooong ago in this thread. But since you say "wtf is corporate libertarianism" I am assuming you did not look it up. Further I am still waiting to how that memo you said to look and which I did and analyzed supported your side and not mine which it actually reinforced, Grand area doctrine and all that. Trade restrictions eliminated through Breton woods for an American economic hegemony....I still have no either explained how "7% of the population owning 50% of the worlds wealth means"....It mentioned that in the memo but it didn't reinforce any argument other than my own.

8. Don't misrepresent people at OWS, not all (wouldnt even say the majority) believe in socialism, alot of people want change but in a libertarian approach, they want "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" something you will NOT get with more government

That video disagrees with you buddy, hence why I said its piss poor for your side. Life and liberty and property you can get with more government, participatory democracy is still democracy.

9. You will notice Ron Paul is a libertarian, while the rest of the GOP politicians believe stripping your human rights internationally (war), and domestically (patriot act).

Ok good for Ron Paul, lets have his slogan as "change" and have him elected. See what happens. I mean what does it matter what he is.

10. Countries (especially nordic countries) have been becoming less socialist in recent years. Parties in power in sweden: the alliance Finland: national coalition party and norway: progress party added with the conservative party hold more seats then the socialist party.

First off you do realize that a conservative, for example, from Canada would be classified a democrat in the US? all relative. BTW I love how you ignore South America that I also mentioned, which also recently created a new regional bloc excluding the US and Canada and including Cuba. Also poverty levels have been the lowest since 20 years in Latin America. Same time that majoritive democracies and socialist governments have arisen democratically into power. Good documentary for that would be South of the Border I found last week.

11. Look at left leaning countries and compare GDP per capita to GDPppp

For a guy who just finished argue in this thread that all statistics and charts can be manipulated, you sure you know what to say "look at this and that statistic". Bit of a hypocrite. But fine here it is for everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._GDP_%28PPP%29. What I notice is that there are developed countries and not so developed countries that splits the list. As I mentioned in number 10 "poverty levels have been the lowest since 20 years in Latin America". Think its due to development only? or redistribution of wealth?

12. In the past 5-6 years socialism has been DECIMATED, as people realize that crony capitalism has caused all of this to happen, and there is no place for it in a capitalist society.

right if 500 million people in LA becoming socialist and leftist is being decimated sure. The EU is more leftist today than it was 30 years ago. Healthcare, education all that good stuff countries like France and Britain developed through government.

13. If you think Canada, USA, or any of the European countries will drop capitalism all together in favor for full blown socialism, you are delusional.

Hmm I wonder where I said that. Hmmm. No I specifically mentioned that its possible we can drop financial capitalism and move back to production capitalism. financial corporations vs. productive corporations. Its in this thread. BTW here is the definition "characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs". Sounds so evil huh for me to want it in the west.

14. Question for you: would you rather have lived on the west or east side of Berlin(1961–1989)?

So much of your numbered list has little to do with what I said to your video. You keep going back to issues already discussed like I forgot or something, who are you trying to fool here or are you just....like....that....kind....of....person?

As for the question, the west side. Soviet Union by that linked definition just two inches above me was not socialist. Stalin corrupted Lenin's vanguard for a Marxist revolution. However I would have lived in Cuba, number of different reasons. Since I answered an obvious personal question mind if I ask what university and what professors are teaching what you are learning?

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