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Old 03-05-2013, 03:00 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by kevin325 View Post

Do you know if these points were recently updated?

"Vehicle must meet or exceed what were the emissions standards for the original motor when all original emission control equipment was functioning (s. 4(2))"

How can this be?
But more importantly...

All emissions control equipment must be attached and functioning. Equipment refers to what came with the replacement motor or be equivalent to what would have come with that motor.
So you can actually be failed for having no cats.

I've been trying to get an answer from the Drive Clean guys for a while with regards to what can be considered a crate motor because they have this example on their website...

Q: The owner of a 2005 Chevrolet vehicle installed a 2011 crate motor. (The 2011 crate motor was not designed or equipped with any emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:
  • meet the visible emission standards
  • meet the emission standards set for the original motor (2005).
  • have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning. Since the crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required.
  • meet or exceed the 2005 standards for that original motor if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test. Although emissions control equipment is not required, without it, the car would likely fail the Drive Clean test.
I was wondering if you got a custom motor built by a shop if it could be considered a crate motor. They said that I couldn't get hot rod status for my 2.8L stroker motor because all I did was modify the stock motor. I'm arguing that it's a custom motor with custom internals that's derived from an OEM engine block. The same sort of thing you get when you buy a crate motor from GM or Ford. The point of the whole exercise is that it may be possible to argue that a crate motor designed for say... a race car.... did not come with any emissions components. You'll still have to meet the emissions numbers of the original motor, but if you can tune a car to do that without a cat, then you can get away with not having one.

oh and p.s. the new rules are garbage, my father has an older pick up truck (year 2000ish) that passed emissions with no problems two years ago, but because he had a check engine this year (related to evap system) he automatically failed, and the shop couldn't manage to eliminate the source of the check engine so after "$450 worth of repairs" he was able to get the conditional pass. Unless they change the rules, he's likely going to scrap the truck next time emissions testing comes up and get a newer truck because this is ridiculous.

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