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ZiMMie 12-30-2003 03:29 AM

Upcoming Turbo Project help/parts
 
Got my hands on a S4 KKK03 Turbo. can someone please give me a complete parts list(includin gagues pods etc) again. am on really really tight budget so am goin to buildin up parts in my basement until i have all the parts. I heard somethin about using 524td Manifold. does anyone know where i can find one and will it fit the m20 perfect. and will my motor internally stock, be able to handle the power from the turbo or i will need internal mods. am aimin for about 220wrhp.

any info will help execially websites/model number etc...

328is_Perf 12-31-2003 02:16 AM

sounds interesting ... im just posting to keep it fresh...

Jon@Bimmersport 12-31-2003 02:19 AM

220rwhp is attainable..just make sure u save a lot of $$$ for the tuner, and dyno time.

ZiMMie 12-31-2003 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by E46_lover
220rwhp is attainable..just make sure u save a lot of $$$ for the tuner, and dyno time.
just hope i dont spend over 800$ in parts..

Jon@Bimmersport 12-31-2003 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by ZiMMie
just hope i dont spend over 800$ in parts..
...?

oh, btw about the manifold..u can turn the stock M20 manifold upside down for it to work, and get a custom flange (pronounced with a short A sound, like FLAN-JUH lol..)made or something (heard that from randy)

you'll need a fuel pressure regulator, does that turbo have an internal wastegate?

gauge pods arent entirely necessary..save the small stuff for last, like the a/f gauge, and turbo boost gauge...u can always get those.

So..you already have:

Turbo
Manifold

You need:

Flange on the manifold to fit your turbo (t-spec can prolly make one, or randy can..costs around 400 i think)
Possibly a wastegate
Fuel Pressure regulator
Piping
Intercooler (use a stock audi or mitsubishi one since u arent running high boost)
you need a downpipe, probably 2.5"..but i think a 3" downpipe might be better

AND..a lot of $ because dyno tuning ISNT cheap.

ZiMMie 12-31-2003 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by E46_lover
...?

oh, btw about the manifold..u can turn the stock M20 manifold upside down for it to work, and get a custom flange (pronounced with a short A sound, like FLAN-JUH lol..)made or something (heard that from randy)

you'll need a fuel pressure regulator, does that turbo have an internal wastegate?

gauge pods arent entirely necessary..save the small stuff for last, like the a/f gauge, and turbo boost gauge...u can always get those.

So..you already have:

Turbo
Manifold

You need:

Flange on the manifold to fit your turbo (t-spec can prolly make one, or randy can..costs around 400 i think)
Possibly a wastegate
Fuel Pressure regulator
Piping
Intercooler (use a stock audi or mitsubishi one since u arent running high boost)
you need a downpipe, probably 2.5"..but i think a 3" downpipe might be better

AND..a lot of $ because dyno tuning ISNT cheap.


For the wastegate and Fuel Pressure regulator i cant find one that is made for e30s. is there a company that makes a universal one for all cars?

Jon@Bimmersport 12-31-2003 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZiMMie
For the wastegate and Fuel Pressure regulator i cant find one that is made for e30s. is there a company that makes a universal one for all cars?
vortech makes to pressure regulator...universal i think....wastegate is for the turbo..not the car

Jon@Bimmersport 12-31-2003 02:57 AM

oh, u might need injectors too

EMPOWERD 12-31-2003 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by E46_lover
...?

oh, btw about the manifold..u can turn the stock M20 manifold upside down for it to work, and get a custom flange (pronounced with a short A sound, like FLAN-JUH lol..)made or something (heard that from randy)

:D


Getting good grasshopper... couldn't have said it better myself. Bump up the fuel pressure with a B&M adjustable fuel regulator and get a Cartech/Vortech FMU. You might have to upgrade your intank fuel pump to a (so I hear) E28 535i pump. Stock injectors will probably be okay if you don't run over 7psi.

ZiMMie 12-31-2003 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by EMPOWERD
:D


Getting good grasshopper... couldn't have said it better myself. Bump up the fuel pressure with a B&M adjustable fuel regulator and get a Cartech/Vortech FMU. You might have to upgrade your intank fuel pump to a (so I hear) E28 535i pump. Stock injectors will probably be okay if you don't run over 7psi.

so how much psi do i need to run to get 220rwhp?

Jon@Bimmersport 12-31-2003 03:45 AM

every PSI is roughly 10-15hp..im not sure on ur turbo, but thats what i been understanding...but im sure thats 10-15crank hp..

so our M20s got 170 stock... say 13psi x 7psi to maintain stock injectors, is 91hp..crank.

170+91 = 261hp at the crank..friction loss is 15%..so..

261hpx.15 = 39hp

261hp-39hp (friction loss) = 221hp

you should be at your goal with 7hp...give or take 10hp u wont feel a difference....adding PSI isnt the only way to add power. you generally have a stock head. one thing to improve power is a throttle body being bored out, or getting a light weight flywheel increases your power being put to the ground, and less friction loss. I'd suggest getting a stage 1 clutch once yours goes..and light flywheel at the time. I dont know how to stock diff will hold up...but put some redline oil in there, and make SURE when u run the turbo you use really good oil. Oil is what cools the turbo too, and the install should be done right...since its custom, all the placing should be good since gravity is what gives the turbo the oil...small things like blow off valves, gauge pods, turbo timers can all be added later. concentrate on the essentials first if your on a budget and try not to get sidetracked with accessories.

ZiMMie 12-31-2003 03:50 AM

thanx jon didnt know u were that smart. lol
the only B&M adjustable fuel regulator i can find on ebay is for integra/civic. will it be same for the m20?

Jon@Bimmersport 12-31-2003 03:59 AM

I'm guessing its universal..the Holley one is..since they have no specific application..because of custom kits, and prebuilt kits..etc.

it doesnt attatch to the motor itself so i guess it wouldnt matter...i think it goes somewhere near the fuel rails...

heres the holley one...

click here

808BMW 12-31-2003 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by ZiMMie
just hope i dont spend over 800$ in parts..
Good luck. Put aside AT LEAST $1000-$2000 for a turbo. $40 well spent is Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. Read it through and you dshould have a good idea on turbocharging.


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