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dee0007 01-10-2014 03:27 PM

E46 330i ZHP Starting problems, Need Help
 
Hi Guys, I have a problem starting my car.
Basically when i turn the ignition the car will not start, just keeps cranking , in order to start i have to crank for about 4 sec and add gas otherwise it will stall.
This problem does not happen all the time only under certain circumstances.
For example if I drive the car and try to start it after few hours. When the engine is still relatively warm. In the mornings recently when the temperatures were really low, I had no problems starting it, usually started after the first turn.

I read somewhere that it most likely is the fuel filter. It is not in my case, I changed the filter and the problem still there!

Anyone had this issue before?

One mechanic told me that its the MAF sensor, I m worried that if I spend money on MAF it might not fix the issue and I would of changed already two things that were not necessary.

Any thoughts? suggestions?

Thanks

G12 01-10-2014 08:53 PM

Sounds like low fuel pump pressure, is there hesitation while accelerating?

Eurostyle 01-10-2014 11:07 PM

Go to a GOOD mechanic, that has experience with these cars. It could be a lot of things, but they are have pretty specific symptoms. Fuel filter is a maintenance item, so NOT a waste if you changed it! Also check tune up parts such as plugs, oil separator, ALL rubber hoses (air leak will cause this, needing more fuel in order to start). Crank sensors can also cause this, along with gas tank vent valves. So pretty much a TON of possible issues, and a good scan should be able to pin point it! (key word GOOD!)*wave*

dee0007 01-11-2014 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G12 (Post 1636143)
Sounds like low fuel pump pressure, is there hesitation while accelerating?

It does hesitate only on second gear between 2500-3000rpm. It chokes.

dee0007 01-11-2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eurostyle (Post 1636148)
Go to a GOOD mechanic, that has experience with these cars. It could be a lot of things, but they are have pretty specific symptoms. Fuel filter is a maintenance item, so NOT a waste if you changed it! Also check tune up parts such as plugs, oil separator, ALL rubber hoses (air leak will cause this, needing more fuel in order to start). Crank sensors can also cause this, along with gas tank vent valves. So pretty much a TON of possible issues, and a good scan should be able to pin point it! (key word GOOD!)*wave*

Couldn't agree more. Any suggestions in the west end of GTA?

jabela 01-11-2014 02:52 PM

Another guy on maxbimmer just had a similar issue and after he unplugged the MAF it started fine for him, so maybe give that a shot.
However, if you have over 120k km on your car and haven't replaced the fuel pump and filter, than that's a good idea too.

dee0007 01-11-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabela (Post 1636181)
Another guy on maxbimmer just had a similar issue and after he unplugged the MAF it started fine for him, so maybe give that a shot.
However, if you have over 120k km on your car and haven't replaced the fuel pump and filter, than that's a good idea too.

Good to know, so essentially the car should start everytime without a problem with the MAF unplugged , if only the MAF is faulty correct?

What happens when you drive with the MAF unplugged ?

Eurostyle 01-11-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dee0007 (Post 1636188)
Good to know, so essentially the car should start everytime without a problem with the MAF unplugged , if only the MAF is faulty correct?

What happens when you drive with the MAF unplugged ?

On some, if not all automatics it will go to limp mode and not go over 30km/h...

Couwks325i 01-12-2014 08:25 AM

I have the same issue, I suspect a leaking fuel injector. I have not yet t/s to see which one, so far I'm living with it.
Looking for the new updated injectors which do not deform below. -15degC and spew fuel vapor into the engine bay, get sucked into your cabin by the blower fan :-(

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cheapthrills 01-13-2014 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dee0007 (Post 1636156)
It does hesitate only on second gear between 2500-3000rpm. It chokes.

Is this consistent? Does it buck back and forth? What year is your car? My MS45.1 330ci had a buck/stutter as well as an occasional long crank (or indefinite crank). Both of the issues were solved when I updated my software. If your car is 04+, I'd try that.

G12 01-13-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapthrills (Post 1636326)
Is this consistent? Does it buck back and forth? What year is your car? My MS45.1 330ci had a buck/stutter as well as an occasional long crank (or indefinite crank). Both of the issues were solved when I updated my software. If your car is 04+, I'd try that.

What does "occasional long crank (or indefinite crank)" mean?

cheapthrills 01-14-2014 06:46 AM

It means that sometimes it would crank for 5-10 seconds before starting, and sometimes it would just keep cranking, and if I cycled the key off and tried again, it would start normally.

G12 01-14-2014 06:37 PM

How would one go about a software update?

ac_2007 01-14-2014 10:38 PM

1) Unplug MAF, try starting and see how it drives. Your car will run rich while its unplugged (more fuel)

2) Change fuel filter. If you haven't already, by your mileage you're OVERDUE.

3) Add 2 bottles of Chevron Techron (BMW fuel system cleaner)

4) Check Fuel Pump pressure.

5) Check injectors (Although Techron should help)

6) Check coil packs/sparkplugs

Do it in that order, the first items are free/needed anyways.

cheapthrills 01-15-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by G12 (Post 1636495)
How would one go about a software update?

This is what I did:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...7#post25106307

You can also take it to a dealer or BMW Independent shop, and it'll be ~1 hr labour. I can also do it, but you'd need to supply a battery charger.


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