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davericher20 06-16-2013 07:32 PM

Drivingfast.net
 
This site has some good info for the driving/track enthusiast.

Enjoy
http://www.drivingfast.net/

Nolimit77 06-17-2013 08:16 AM

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Thanks for sharing!

Gleb 06-30-2013 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davericher20 (Post 1614559)
This site has some good info for the driving/track enthusiast.

Enjoy
http://www.drivingfast.net/

Some of the advice is plain wrong and some is downright dangerous.

davericher20 07-01-2013 10:53 AM

Which parts?

Gleb 07-01-2013 12:05 PM

Come on, Dave! You have been taught by Racer himself, I expect you to know better!

Tell me what`s wrong with:

http://www.drivingfast.net/technique...m#.UdGnrW2K0tE

and

Tyre pressures and grip

Lower tyre pressures will increase the size of the contact patch, so letting some air out (while adhering to manufacturers guidelines) will allow you to gain a small grip increase in wet conditions. This will only help up to a point though!

doogee 07-01-2013 12:51 PM

This is by far the most important of the website and is very useful when pitting.

http://www.drivingfast.net/technique...m#.UdGzYPnVB8E


davericher20 07-01-2013 12:56 PM

The racing line:

"It is important to remember that there is rarely a perfect line through any corner for all circumstances. It depends on the characteristics of your car, your cornering strategy, and the conditions. You should experiment with different lines and learn from instructors and people who know the course well."

Tires:
If someone goes out on track with 10 psi in their tires, they deserve to crash. Racer also said to lower my pressures in the wet.

Gleb 07-01-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by davericher20 (Post 1616147)
The racing line:

"It is important to remember that there is rarely a perfect line through any corner for all circumstances. No shit!
It depends on the characteristics of your car, No shit!
your cornering strategy, is to go fast
and the conditions. find as much grip as possible in ANY conditions
You should experiment with different lines and learn from instructors and people who know the course well." Basically saying - we don`t know what the hell we`re talking about.

Tires:
If someone goes out on track with 10 psi in their tires, they deserve to crash. Racer also said to lower my pressures in the wet.

He NEVER said such a thing! Your pressures may have been too high overall.

Let`s say your cold dry pressures are 26, if it rains you would want about 28, and increasing the contact patch in the wet is the last thing you want to do, and by the way, decreasing the pressures will not increase the contact patch, it will just have a different shape.

As for the line, if anyone thinks that late apex is fast and the most important corner is the one leading onto the longest straight... they should join a car detailing club and never show their face at the track.

iverson03tj 08-01-2013 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gleb (Post 1616149)
He NEVER said such a thing! Your pressures may have been too high overall.

Let`s say your cold dry pressures are 26, if it rains you would want about 28, and increasing the contact patch in the wet is the last thing you want to do, and by the way, decreasing the pressures will not increase the contact patch, it will just have a different shape.

As for the line, if anyone thinks that late apex is fast and the most important corner is the one leading onto the longest straight... they should join a car detailing club and never show their face at the track.

LOL!!! What will the world do with out Racer.... fcplm

Gleb 08-02-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by iverson03tj (Post 1619550)
LOL!!! What will the world do with out Racer.... fcplm

Prove me wrong

BigD 08-02-2013 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gleb (Post 1616149)
As for the line, if anyone thinks that late apex is fast and the most important corner is the one leading onto the longest straight... they should join a car detailing club and never show their face at the track.

To be fair though, stuff like that is good advice for a novice. It's a good default approach. It's like driving by the cones - connecting the dots is better than just wandering around. Then in time you learn to figure these things out for yourself.

Gleb 08-03-2013 10:49 PM

^^^Why give novices wrong advice?

BigD 08-04-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gleb (Post 1619753)
^^^Why give novices wrong advice?

Because it's not wrong. Every sport with an element of danger and high skill level, has the "right" way to train a novice, which is either not ideal or outright wrong for someone experienced. For example, in powerlifting, a wide stance squat and wide grip benchpress is the mechanically superior way to perform the lifts but they require more coordination and the average person isn't strong in the right ways to take advantage of the leverage - so not only will they perform worse but they will also expose themselves to a high risk of injury. It makes much more sense to let them develop in a more comfortable and safer technique and then refine the leverages as they progress. No different here.

Gleb 08-04-2013 11:08 PM

Disagree. Teaching someone to drive by cones is stupid. Period. What if the cone is moved? And more importantly, it teaches you to look at the wrong thing. Re-learning this habit is more difficult then learning it right from the start.
Late apex never was and never will be a safer and definitely not a faster way, I have no idea who came up with that gem, but he and the idiots that repeat it should be shot for teaching it to students.
There isn't a single corner on any race track that makes a late apex faster or safer, except for some hairpins and decreasing radius turns. By the way, T5 at Mosport is NOT a late apex at 5B, watch pros take it.
And speaking of Mosport, most schools will tell you that to enter T2 your car has to be about a car's width from the right edge, and entering T4 you need to be aligned with the second "C" in the Continental sign. I asked why to more than a few "experts" and never got an intelligent answer. My favourite was: "Because it's the line." I asked why, the guy just walked away. NONE of the pros drive it that way. NOT A SINGLE ONE.
Now, go on Youtube, watch ANY pro drive Mosport or ANY other track and show me a late apex. If you do, I am buying drinks.
Next items on the agenda are:
Slow in fast out;
Smooth;
When in a spin, both feet in;
Steady hands... and more B.S. I can go on *wave*

Bottom line - don't believe a doctor or a lawyer that learned how to drive a manual transmission at 40, joined a car club at 50, and became an instructor at 60. 90% of them will repeat the same B.S. that was taught to them by other doctors and lawyers. Try to find the remaining 10% :)
Wanna learn - watch pros.

BigD 08-04-2013 11:46 PM

We'll agree to disagree


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