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davericher20 03-31-2013 07:01 PM

Guy gets 24 years in prison for building secret compartments in cars
 
A little excessive....

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...red-anaya/all/

Long article but worth the read.


Cliffs.

Guy builds secret compartments for customers
Finds out that the customers are using them to transport drugs and money.
Thinks that as long as the customer doesn't tell him what it's for he's within the limits of the law.
Dea finds out and charges him
Doesn't accept plea bargain
Sitting in prison for 24 years.

blk3 03-31-2013 10:42 PM

Crazy. Good read but that sucks

sirex 03-31-2013 11:05 PM

so, like gun companies build guns, and then people use those guns to kill people.... so, by that logic, shouldn't the gun companies be shut down and the board of directors be thrown in prison?

davericher20 03-31-2013 11:09 PM

Looks like they were making an example of him.

sirex 03-31-2013 11:20 PM

government can do what it ever it wants

calegrant 04-01-2013 08:12 PM

Complete and utter bullshit.

NOTORIOUS VR 04-01-2013 08:45 PM

'Merica... Shittiest country in the world

Blackedout95 04-01-2013 09:02 PM

While I can see how the sentence is excessive he does deserve some punishment, how much I dunno maybe a year or two max.

He enabled drug and money laundering, he certainly shouldn't just be given a warning only.

As far as the gun company comparison, makes no sense at all.

sirex 04-01-2013 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackedout95 (Post 1604174)
While I can see how the sentence is excessive he does deserve some punishment, how much I dunno maybe a year or two max.

He enabled drug and money laundering, he certainly shouldn't just be given a warning only.

As far as the gun company comparison, makes no sense at all.

How so? Guns enable killing. Knives enable stabbing. Aren't those people/companies enabling illegal acts?

It's a pretty obtuse statement to make, that "HE' enabled drug and money laundering.

NOTORIOUS VR 04-01-2013 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackedout95 (Post 1604174)
While I can see how the sentence is excessive he does deserve some punishment, how much I dunno maybe a year or two max.

He enabled drug and money laundering, he certainly shouldn't just be given a warning only.

As far as the gun company comparison, makes no sense at all.

Actually, the guy did nothing of the sort. He possibly had suspicions that his installations might have been used for illegal activities, but he didn't actually know for sure.

And that is where what happened to him is completely wrong and unjust. He didn't break any laws, he should have to suffer the way he is now and he certainly shouldn't get a worse sentence then the actually drug lords that were also busted.

This is a simple case of the US Government abusing it's powers, instead of just making a law that is clear and to the point.

calegrant 04-01-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR (Post 1604196)
He possibly had suspicions that his installations might have been used for illegal activities, but he didn't actually know for sure.

$800,000 stuffed into a hidden compartment of a vehicle is just suspicious? While I agree this is just the government making an example of someone, he exercised very poor decision making. There should be no doubt in any sane persons mind that this guy knew full well what he was making these compartments for, especially with people in Tijuana asking him to do work. A compartment behind your seat which is only accessible after a very precise combination of functions is suspicious, that compartment being full with nearly a million dollars of cash removes all suspicion. Playing dumb isn't an excuse.

The argument for this guys defense should not be the ludicrous one of claiming ignorance, it should be the ridiculousness of the actual charges. He is by no means a drug trafficker.

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Originally Posted by sirex (Post 1604192)
It's a pretty obtuse statement to make, that "HE' enabled drug and money laundering.


He didn't enable you're right, but he knowingly profited off the demand for compartments to make such actions easier. Anyone who thinks he wasn't fully aware of what he's doing is either an idiot or looking for an argument. I don't agree with his punishment, but he certainly knew what he was doing.

damameke 04-02-2013 10:14 AM

He certainly had some indications why customers were coming to him to build the secret compartments, pleading that he had no knowledge what customers used it for is pretty lame after his name was given to the police.

If the cars were built with these compartments and used during the promotion, owners will not use the compartments to launder money or smuggle drugs for the police will know of those compartments, so the argument that Smith and Wesson will not hold water, the manufacturers will not be charged..if someone used the gun to kill a person, or a knife to attack others...

Is 24 years sentence justify? probably not .. then again you have the right to appeal...as with Rob Ford..

sirex 04-02-2013 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damameke (Post 1604226)

If the cars were built with these compartments and used during the promotion, owners will not use the compartments to launder money or smuggle drugs for the police will know of those compartments, so the argument that Smith and Wesson will not hold water, the manufacturers will not be charged..if someone used the gun to kill a person, or a knife to attack others...
..

But they do use regular vehicle compartments to launder money and drugs all the time, and they aren't even a secret compartment. So doesn't that then mean that the auto manufacturer knowingly built a compartment that is used to smuggle drugs and money?

blakneto 04-02-2013 11:39 PM

His lawyer sucks...
When it comes to drugs, they crackdown on everything associated with drugs.
You sell or distribute or manufacture its worse than smoking the sh*t yourself...

I dont think he was that oblivious... They may not have told him but he must have had a reasonable idea what they would use it for...

And the people who got caught probably fingered him to get less time. :p

calegrant 04-03-2013 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirex (Post 1604344)
But they do use regular vehicle compartments to launder money and drugs all the time, and they aren't even a secret compartment. So doesn't that then mean that the auto manufacturer knowingly built a compartment that is used to smuggle drugs and money?

No, it is not. It's like handing an individual a knife in the kitchen vs handing someone a knife as they're standing over a body on the ground. Similar items, vastly different intentions but a sensible person knows what the latter is likely to do. Being aware of such intentions means you're playing with fire, and he got burned.


Quote:

Originally Posted by blakneto (Post 1604353)
I dont think he was that oblivious... They may not have told him but he must have had a reasonable idea what they would use it for...

He absolutely did. His caution and telling them to leave when he saw money is indicative of him knowing he was doing something he shouldn't have, yet he did the work anyways when the money was gone. He should have severed all ties at that point, but greed got to him.

Guy should get his earned three years and sent on his way.


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