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blackburn21 10-20-2012 03:35 AM

powersteering upgrade?
 
Hi,

I think my rack is scrap, because when I turn my steering, I feel some loose.
I can turn my steering and my wheel don't turn. I have do some search.
I can swap a e36 rack or z3 rack? I want manual ps.
I have found it : http://www.condorspeedshop.com/produ...lock-plate-e30
It a good idea if I want delete my ps?
Thanks, sorry for my english.

defaultName 10-20-2012 08:09 AM

I installed a Z3 rack and deleted my power steering with the Condor Speed Shop PS delete.

You can read about it here http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149271

supernaught 10-20-2012 09:33 AM

you might just have a worn/damaged flex joint. between the firewall and the rack input there is a change in angle and a flex/universal joint is there. I had a joint that allowed a few degrees of slop and when it did catch, it was very hard to turn. I repalced this joint and it was fine.

It's pretty quick to check, have a friend move the steering wheel slowly and keep an eye on the joint.

But upgrade if you can, everyone seems to love the lower ratio

cormier 10-20-2012 11:21 AM

If you are going to replace the flex disc (you should if swapping racks), just delete the stupid thing and bolt the flanges together with spacers. No slop.

And -- there's controversy about how good it is to delete PS on a PS rack using a plate like that, better to get a real manual rack if you want manual steering.

That said -- why would you? The racks you mentioned are great PS racks, e46 swaps are common as well (I <3 mine)

Good rack and guibo delete, you'll get a much better steering feel.

blackburn21 10-21-2012 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cormier (Post 1586578)
If you are going to replace the flex disc (you should if swapping racks), just delete the stupid thing and bolt the flanges together with spacers. No slop.
Sorry for my idiot question, what is that and how?
And -- there's controversy about how good it is to delete PS on a PS rack using a plate like that, better to get a real manual rack if you want manual steering.
that plate is not good? Wich car I can find a manual steering?
That said -- why would you? The racks you mentioned are great PS racks, e46 swaps are common as well (I <3 mine)

Good rack and guibo delete, you'll get a much better steering feel.

guibo?

blackburn21 10-21-2012 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defaultName (Post 1586564)
I installed a Z3 rack and deleted my power steering with the Condor Speed Shop PS delete.

You can read about it here http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149271

how is the feeling? nice or not? I see you finally put the ps pump?

frankie591 10-21-2012 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormier (Post 1586578)
If you are going to replace the flex disc (you should if swapping racks), just delete the stupid thing and bolt the flanges together with spacers. No slop.

And -- there's controversy about how good it is to delete PS on a PS rack using a plate like that, better to get a real manual rack if you want manual steering.

That said -- why would you? The racks you mentioned are great PS racks, e46 swaps are common as well (I <3 mine)

Good rack and guibo delete, you'll get a much better steering feel.

I also have an e36 rack running power steering with the guibo deleted. Love the setup...now I just need to swap out my bad ps pump so it stops screaming every time I hit full lock :D

qbuilt 10-21-2012 09:24 AM

I run a z3 rack. I tried it without powersteering and found it to feel unsafe at higher speeds. Didn't like it at all. I also run 235's on the front and think the larger tires/grip had a big effect on how the car felt, but still. I think it's prob personal preference.

defaultName 10-21-2012 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormier (Post 1586578)
And -- there's controversy about how good it is to delete PS on a PS rack using a plate like that, better to get a real manual rack if you want manual steering.

I have heard the arguments about wether or not it actually makes a difference. Some say it does and some say it doesn't. For the money though I figured I would give it a try and I needed something to cap of the holes anyways. I have nothing to compare it to so I will probably never know if it is better or not.

I haven't heard of it being damaging or worse for the rack or feeling. Have you?

Definitely a proper manual rack is the way to go, however you will still be left with a high ratio rack. A lower ratio is very nice.

The best thing to do (although I have no idea what it costs) is to get a proper manual rack that is modified with lower ratio internals. I found someone who does this when I was doing mine but I can't remember who...

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackburn21 (Post 1586636)
how is the feeling? nice or not? I see you finally put the ps pump?

I actually never reinstalled my PS. When I first did the swap I had an issue with my steering and I thought the PS delete may have caused it. I was going to reinstall my PS to see if it fixed it but it was something else so I didn't.

I wouldn't recommend that you delete PS for a better feeling. The better road feel you may have without PS is negated when you have to park or maneuver at very low speed. Especially if you have a low ratio rack. And if you use your car as a daily driver then you are more likely to be parking then needing better road feel.

I would do it only for simplicity or if your PS system needs a lot of work and this is cheaper.

defaultName 10-21-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by qbuilt (Post 1586645)
I run a z3 rack. I tried it without powersteering and found it to feel unsafe at higher speeds. Didn't like it at all. I also run 235's on the front and think the larger tires/grip had a big effect on how the car felt, but still. I think it's prob personal preference.

Holy sh!t our cars are twins! Except the wheels...

More pics?

Do you mean unsafe at high speeds on the highway, or high speeds through turns? Like on a track or winding roads for example?

qbuilt 10-21-2012 09:54 AM

Twins?!! I have different wheels now.
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...4CE8AEE76B.jpg

I found that taking a high speed corner(off-ramp) was really scary. Felt like the steering wheel was going to rip right out oft hands. Sure, lots of road feel!! But not what I would consider a good thing. Maybe a stock e30 with 185 tires on bottle caps might feel better, I still find powersteering is much better feel on a e30 then not.

cormier 10-21-2012 10:30 AM

^^wow that's a really nice car. I'm a sucker for white e30s

Quote:

Originally Posted by defaultName (Post 1586646)
I have heard the arguments about wether or not it actually makes a difference. Some say it does and some say it doesn't. For the money though I figured I would give it a try and I needed something to cap of the holes anyways. I have nothing to compare it to so I will probably never know if it is better or not.

I haven't heard of it being damaging or worse for the rack or feeling. Have you?
.

I won't claim to know much about the PS delete, I looked into it briefly and decided against it and I remember there being heated debate.

I would say to try a normal PS rack that works, then go delete if you really want to after that.

You asked about the flex disc -- it dampens forces between the wheel side of your column and the rack side. Leads to a small amount if dead space when initiating changes-- a lot of cars don't have them and many guys delete it and just use bolts (or an e36rack adapter kit that has perfectly sized spacers) and bolt the two sides hard together so there's no play

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E3...oint_assembly/


On the picture below, flex disc on the right and on the left they've used bolts/spacers to modify another part of the knuckle. You can use the same method to remove the flex disc.

http://www.robertandtara.com/images/..._Completed.jpg

defaultName 10-21-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by qbuilt (Post 1586648)
Twins?!!

Yup! Alpinweiss with a Pfeba kit...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...640/IMG142.jpg

defaultName 10-21-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by qbuilt (Post 1586648)
Felt like the steering wheel was going to rip right out oft hands.

That's interesting. It probably has to do with your wide wheels.

I've never had an issue with that but I'm just on 7" wide wheels.

qbuilt 10-21-2012 11:55 AM

Maybe?? Regardless, I don't think it's a performance upgrade in anyway. Especially on a street car.
Your car almost looks exactly like how mine looked when I first got it. But your obviously lowered..clean, looks good!


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