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sski 08-08-2011 02:58 PM

Lexus instead of a BMW....???
 
My DD (2000 Altima) is getting to point of diminshing returns. I like the idea of a CPO vehicle but the BMWs are still pricey. I started out figuring I'd end up with a 07/08 328. I would have liked a coupe but they are high 20's/low 30's still. Sedan is fine but I'm still high 20's. So I look at 323's, which I don't really want but...they are still mid 20's.

Lexus on the Park has a two CPO 2007 ES350's ($21,800 and $22,500). Kms are around 60K-70K. The Lexus is bigger, has more features and more power. I'm doing all hwy so it would be a great highway car.

I already have the X3 so I get the whole BMW experience but I'm having a tough time justifying the cost. I'm not comparing to a Chevy Cruze or a Honda Accord so I think Lexus is a reasonable comparision.

Am I missing something?

ChrisTO 08-08-2011 03:13 PM

you are absolutely right...this pricing holds true across the entire BMW lineup when compared to the likes of Lexus and Infinitis equivalent models. It's down to driving experience and can you justify the premium in price for that experience?

Most people would say they can't and that's why lexus and infiniti sell like hot cakes when people cross shop against a BMW cause they do have far more creature comfort than the bimmer.

is that premium worth it in the end to you? personally I couldn't stand the mushy brakes or the soft suspension feel. and i also can't deal with the fact that both of these brands are toyota/nissan under the cover and they are making huge profit on these brands.

heck Lexus only started selling Japan in 2005 when it was available in NA since 1989. and i think only in 2008 has infiniti started selling elsewhere in the world besides north america after almost 20 years in NA.

so i would say we are paying a premium for Lexus/Infiniti as well.

so perhaps in your case a fairer comparison would be Lexus model to Toyota model and like wise for Infiniti to Nissan models. :)

sski 08-08-2011 03:31 PM

I'd agree Lexus is just a Toyota dipped in gold. Just like Honda/Acura. Having said that a Toyota is a pretty good base to start with.

I guess is just comes down to whether I'm prepared to pay for the BMW "feel", but its a pretty high premium.

mamadci 08-08-2011 03:41 PM

bought a 2006 lexus is350 and can't be happier. had an 02 330ci which was a nice car but the lexus is far superior in most categories except steering feedback and tunability. raced my friends 335xi a few times and we were dead even till 180km/h (we didn't go more). i picked up mine with lux and premium package with ton of features for low 20s with two set of rims in mint cond. its extremely comfortable with much better interior quality and features than 3 series. also, you don't have to pay for keyless start which is a package in an E90 or E92. i was looking for an E90 (335i) but they were all around 30k and after i test drove the is350 it was a clear choice. find one with lux and sport package and you wont go back. extremely reliable cars too. however if you are into modding there are not much for lexus. overall, I would highly recommend lexus especially if its going to be your DD and you don't want to worry about maintenance when there is no warranty left. test drive one and i'll guarantee you'll buy it.

sski 08-09-2011 05:45 PM

I was looking at the ES (the old man Lexus). The more I think the more I'm afraid I may regret not getting the bimmer. I think it will end up being 2008 323i with premium package, they are all over. I'm just running it up and down the 400. I driven the 323i and 328i. The 328i is nicer for sure but once I'm cruising at 120kms the 323i settles in.

damameke 08-09-2011 09:42 PM

If you want to buy the Lexus, get the IS350, and if you want the 323 .. get the IS250,
ultimately you want the 328..look at non CPO, should be able to get one in the low 20s...

sski 08-12-2011 10:02 AM

Ended up with an CPO 2008 323i in Sparkling Graphite. The real kicker was it's only got 24,500 kms on it. There isn't a mark on it.

bayerish 325 08-12-2011 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sski (Post 1517669)
Ended up with an CPO 2008 323i in Sparkling Graphite. The real kicker was it's only got 24,500 kms on it. There isn't a mark on it.

Congrats on your new purchase. And, I am sure that you won't regret your decision in the long run as well.
I personally don't like Lexus and Infiniti products for their asepticism, numb ride and generic design. The design often seems to take its inspiration from the japanese "anime" way to literally and does not age well. But this is just my opinion.

I am sure those are truly excellent cars technically speaking but they lack "soul". I would choose a 911 over the Nissan GTR without hesitation. I prefer by far the european philosophy and concept (BMW on top of my list of course).

lvan 08-13-2011 10:34 AM

What was the price like?

gillie 08-17-2011 10:12 PM

I would take a G37 over any of the 3 [except M3 :)]anyday.

bayerish 325 08-23-2011 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gillie (Post 1518602)
I would take a G37 over any of the 3 [except M3 :)]anyday.

What??? :confused:
What is your valuable and intelligent argument to make such an statement on BMW forum?

Looking forward to read what have to say...

Did you even drive comparable models?
I prefer my 335 to any boring G37, not to mention the crap Lexus dealers where trying to sell me...

Is this a BMW fans forum or what?????

limenuke 09-08-2011 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerish 325 (Post 1519395)
What??? :confused:
What is your valuable and intelligent argument to make such an statement on BMW forum?

Looking forward to read what have to say...

Did you even drive comparable models?
I prefer my 335 to any boring G37, not to mention the crap Lexus dealers where trying to sell me...

Is this a BMW fans forum or what?????

There are many things to consider, but here's one of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0B50ULfBYM
G37 smokes the 335i.

MrRWD 09-20-2011 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerish 325
What???
What is your valuable and intelligent argument to make such an statement on BMW forum?

Looking forward to read what have to say...

Did you even drive comparable models?
I prefer my 335 to any boring G37, not to mention the crap Lexus dealers where trying to sell me...

Is this a BMW fans forum or what?????

Quote:

Originally Posted by limenuke (Post 1522520)
There are many things to consider, but here's one of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0B50ULfBYM
G37 smokes the 335i.

BMW in limp mode.... nice. I can't believe they put a product out like that.

This is the exact reason I won't touch Audi's, and the 335i.
Having owned a G35, 350z, and a e92, I love the power of the G's, the price, and the reliability!!!!

JayR_84 09-26-2011 02:40 PM

I've leased a 2009 G37 for 18 months from new as a work-vehicle (for driving across town). Most unreliable thing I've driven since a 90's Ford. Always in the shop for stupid engine issues and updates. It looked nice sitting still, but other than that---a horrible owner experience. Partially because of the bad dealership customer service and inability to get the job done on time, or having replacement parts in stock.

Bang for the buck it looks like a good deal (on paper). Owning it was a love/hate affair, driving experience? Well you look good driving it, but it isn't very enjoyable to drive and a lot of little ergonomic issues. It's like comparing current Hyundais and Kia's to their competitors... on paper, better bang for the buck. Driving experience, not quite there yet for the most part.

On the other hand, we had a previous RX350 which had no major issues for the short time we had it. A few trim pieces that squeaked or broke, and a bad paint job that loved rock chips.

deepSeaBlue 12-15-2011 11:18 AM

Those were two different kinds with my experience. Spec-wise, G37 is better but if you like driving feel of 335i, you can not forget.


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