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noid 05-02-2008 10:34 PM

Eurostyle... a bad one.
 
Let me start off by saying im not out to bash, rather to explain my experience to provide constructive criticism and advice for people who deal with filip in the future.

I was in need of an ECU and to MY ignorance I forgot to ask him if it was a 153 or a 173 for my e30 and assumed it was a 173 for the price he was charging.

So i booked off work so i could drive up to Mississauga right after school around rush because i just got paid and i needed the ECU for Sunday for the cruise.

I get there, and realize thats its a 153... well not that big of a deal since i was looking for anything that would work (just assumed for the price it was a 173)he seemed like a very friendly kind guy who actually let me borrow his extension for my socket wrench.

I put it in and it runs like crap. Engine check light on right away and sputtering like crazy. Then i put mine back and it fires up and runs fine. I triple checked the connection to see that it was alright and it was definetly the ECU.

This was a very very VERY big disappointment to say the least. Partly because i had driven over an hour in rush traffic, burning gas, and time i could have spent at work to come get this, on top of that i had to drive back away from toronto in even worse traffic. The only reason i made the trip is because i was in need of it of course and because i asked him if it was 100% working and he said it was. I'm sure it was running at one point when he tested it god knows when.

As i said before Filip seemed nice and even lent me some tools but should check his parts before saying its 100% working... especially for people traveling a far distance. For potential buyers, my advice is to double check the item and see that it fits/works good before forking over the money.

Another good point is that he communicated very fast and effectively over pm and phone.


Sorry Filip you seemed nice but when someone gives me their word i expect it to be good.

From a pm:
Quote:

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Originally Posted by noid
Will you take $35?100% sure its working? Where are you located?
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No, thats too cheap....Yes it works, it was from a running car...The location and contact info is all in my sig, (near Dixie and 401)...

Eurostyle 05-02-2008 11:38 PM

This is very easy to explain; Yes i did say it was working, and I STILL STAND to that statement! Let me tell you why; it came off a 88 325is, if you search a few years back you can see the car, Alpine white, with seized transmission. We got the car started (at Bimmersort, so plenty people have seen it work), it had fuel issues, was sitting for 3-4 years, and yes it DID run ruff, like any car that sits for that long! But it was running non the less! The engine went to scrap, never every tryed selling it, but to my knoledge ECU's dont go bad just from sitting a long time...So a very natural assumption would be that the part was working.

As you can immagine, not all parts can be tested in every case (this one did, and was judged to be functional) but some others come from NOT running cars, so there is no way of knowing if something is good or not. This is why we let you test it! Try to go to any junk yard and see if they let you walk out with any electroninc component just to test it!


I let you test it, even take it arround the block to see how it is, before you even buy it, i think this is the best anyone in the industry can do...


As for the price, i like you to take your offer of $35 and go to Chuck's, Shantaram, or any BMW parts shop and see the kind of service you get. They will laugh at you. I posted my price, like it or not, thats what i was looking to get for it. If i have to spend 2 weeks PMing, fighting over $15, its just not worth it for me. I wasted just about the same time repling to you, as you did driving to see me.

e30_kid89 05-03-2008 12:30 AM

You're already getting a good deal as it is..and you didnt loose any money..why are you labelling him a "bad one" but you say you don't wanna bash? I'm sure fil was being honest when he said the computer was taken from a running car but he can't/doesn't have time to flag down the next e30 he sees and make sure it runs 100 percent fine!

I don't understand how this was a bad transaction. No money was exchanged, he let you try the computer and it didn't work and you didn't buy it and he took it back. suck up your loss and keep looking for the computer IMHO.

noid 05-03-2008 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurostyle (Post 1148041)
This is very easy to explain; Yes i did say it was working, and I STILL STAND to that statement! Let me tell you why; it came off a 88 325is, if you search a few years back you can see the car, Alpine white, with seized transmission. We got the car started (at Bimmersort, so plenty people have seen it work), it had fuel issues, was sitting for 3-4 years, and yes it DID run ruff, like any car that sits for that long! But it was running non the less! The engine went to scrap, never every tryed selling it, but to my knoledge ECU's dont go bad just from sitting a long time...So a very natural assumption would be that the part was working.

If the car "DID run ruff" you should have mentioned that, because as soon as i put your ECU in, my car ran ruff also.

Assuming isn't very professional now is it?


Quote:

As you can immagine, not all parts can be tested in every case (this one did, and was judged to be functional) but some others come from NOT running cars, so there is no way of knowing if something is good or not. This is why we let you test it! Try to go to any junk yard and see if they let you walk out with any electroninc component just to test it!
I should have never had to test it in the first place. If i was looking to test out an ECU I would not have come all the way to Mississauga now would I?

A junk yard WILL let you test their part because they sure as shit will NOT give their word like you did that it works. One also goes to a junkyard under the assumption that the part may not work or even be there. Do not compare.

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I let you test it, even take it arround the block to see how it is, before you even buy it, i think this is the best anyone in the industry can do...
That should be expected at the least. You "letting" me? As opposed to what? You selling me it and it not working then me being shit out of lucky because you lied? or driving all the way to Mississauga and back again?

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As for the price, i like you to take your offer of $35 and go to Chuck's, Shantaram, or any BMW parts shop and see the kind of service you get. They will laugh at you. I posted my price, like it or not, thats what i was looking to get for it. If i have to spend 2 weeks PMing, fighting over $15, its just not worth it for me. I wasted just about the same time repling to you, as you did driving to see me.
Laughing at me? Its a used part and has no pre determined value. Its also very unprofessional to "laugh" at an offer. Speaking of professionalism if you consider a total 3 (yes 3 i counted) private messages and one phone call you demanded to be going out of your way and "not worth it" then what kind of name are you giving yourself? I also don't know how fast you type but 3 Pm's about 1 sentence long doesn't take over 2 hours to write.

It was your choice to ask the amount you did and although i think its high i still respect it. As i said it was to my ignorance that i assumed it to be a 173.

Eurostyle 05-03-2008 01:08 AM

You can say whatever you want, i dont care. It was tested, car was running, to my knolege it was working. I didnt take your $$$ and run. If you bothered to call, you might have had some more info, (and yes, you can NOT count past 3, because i can show you 4 messages you sent me, just for the record).

So to sum it all up;
Was the car running, YES
Did i take your low ball offer after all, YES ($40 after 4 PM's, 1 call, and in person conversation)
Did I make you pay for anything you were not happy with, NO.
Did you buy anything you were not happy with, NO

So as much as i love to see happy customers, i dont see anything i can do more then i did, if anyone is expecting anything more, just go see someone else, because this is about all i can do for anyone.*th-up*

slemmer 05-03-2008 07:40 AM

well said Flip. At least he didn't ask it it came in a box - sealed, in white, and sprinkled with chocolate chips.

BigD 05-03-2008 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slemmer (Post 1148092)
well said Flip. At least he didn't ask it it came in a box - sealed, in white, and sprinkled with chocolate chips.

+1 exactly what I was about to write

VSanj 05-03-2008 08:32 AM

lol..................so let me get this straight, fil was offering a part at a good price that he had every reason to believe was working. You drove down and it wasnt working.....he let you test it and it wasnt up to your standards. You also didnt lose any money.....hmmm.

what exactly are u bitching about?? Seems like fair business to me. Do you get mad when you drive out to see potential used cars and they arent as nice as they looked in the pictures?? These things that happen when you buy used, if one hour of your time was soooooo valuble you should have just bought new!!!!

Furthermore, Fil didnt ask you to wait untill you got paid and drive over during the height of rush hour......those were all decisions made by you.

thanks for coming out though!

Deep 3.2TL 05-03-2008 10:41 AM

LOL - I LOVE things like this...

I run into them all the time at work. Companies and people that are too cheap to buy the NEW server hard drives and opt for the refurb ones. Then I get a call 6 months later that they want a refund because the drive failed. It's missions critical server, blah, blah, blah. I tell EVERY customer who buys refurb drives that it's 90 days and I wouldn't if it's a critical server. So when they call, I tell them, why didn't you spend $100 more and buy the new drives? They get sooo pissed. Certain items are MORE than fine refurbed. Basically anything that doesn't have moving parts. Memory, Processors, etc.

You are taking a chance buying used. Didn't want to fork up the money to go buy a new aftermarket one (I'm assuming they are available, I don't know e30 stuff). If you wanted 100% sure effectiveness, fork up the dollars for new.

hypno_nls1 05-03-2008 10:44 AM

lolz im sorry but is this serious?

Eurostyle 05-03-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Deep 3.2TL (Post 1148119)

You are taking a chance buying used. Didn't want to fork up the money to go buy a new aftermarket one (I'm assuming they are available, I don't know e30 stuff). If you wanted 100% sure effectiveness, fork up the dollars for new.

What frustrates me is that it can happen even buying something BRAND new! Even if it was new, in the box, from BMW dealer, there is a slight chance that it CAN be defective (no product is ever 100% perfect, even with the best quality controls). And there is nothing much more the dealer would have done, other then refund (unlikely) or exchange...Its not like they will compensate you for your one houre drive! In fact, you might have to wait several weeks for a new part to come in, as 20 year old ECU's are not a hot selling item thats kept in stock.

Estyle Chick 05-03-2008 11:28 AM

I worked with Fil as his receptionist for almost a year, I know him very well. He is a trusted sponser on Max, with evey right to be. Fil has not done you any wrong. As everyone is saying, it was a used part, buying used there is always a chance of it not working at all or as well as expected.
It was not him who made you drive during rush hour.
It was not him who made you miss work.
It was not him who decided to drive an hour away for a used part.
You made all these decisions yourself, and you should accept responsibility for your bad choices.
Second, he offered you a fair price, and he never ended up taking your money, he let you test it, he did not just give you the part, say it works take your money, and screwed you over.
Third, he lost money in the sense that time is money. He spent the time PMing you, talking to you on the phone and in person. He is not always in the office, he made the appointment to see you. He could have been working all that time. And as you had even said, He IS a nice guy, He let you borrow his tools. He did everything he could have in this situation, but serve it to you on a silver platter. Seriously if you wanted anything more your expectations are much to high and you should really come back down to reality. Stop your complaining, suck it up. This is life, learn to deal with it.

DriveItSideways 05-03-2008 01:11 PM

lol "trust" and "Fil" dont belong in the same sentence.

Poor business skills FTL.

T.Dot_E30 05-03-2008 01:30 PM

$40 for an ECU?

Thats what you get for being cheap...

BigD 05-03-2008 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurostyle (Post 1148137)
What frustrates me is that it can happen even buying something BRAND new! Even if it was new, in the box, from BMW dealer, there is a slight chance that it CAN be defective (no product is ever 100% perfect, even with the best quality controls). And there is nothing much more the dealer would have done, other then refund (unlikely) or exchange...Its not like they will compensate you for your one houre drive! In fact, you might have to wait several weeks for a new part to come in, as 20 year old ECU's are not a hot selling item thats kept in stock.

It doesn't have to be defective. As if no one's driven out far to a store to look into buying something that in the ad seemed perfect for their needs. Then you get there and it turns out to be the wrong thing or they don't have it in stock. I wonder if this dude demands that they pay for his gas in those cases too or reports them to the BBB.


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