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propr'one
11-13-2007, 06:52 PM
I need a daily driver. Despite how much i love my e36, its getting a little old, and although i'm not getting rid of it, it needs a companion in the driveway.

I want a 2000 323ci. Why? 323 has cheapest insurance, best gas mileage, cheapest to buy, etc.

Who's owned one?

What are the problems?

I do not need generic answers such as elecrtical problems suck. The general consensus seems to be that the sunroof sucks, and that there's problems with the light wiring. My e36 has sunroof problems, i'm used to it, and light wiring issues i'll fix myself.

Please let me know what's up with these cars.

I'll be buying a 5spd black or silver one from the states.

This car may be getting lowered (a bit), will get clears all around and tints + lighting. No other mods are planned.

dbworld4k
11-13-2007, 07:10 PM
Nothing than the other generic problems on E46s that you have already mentioned (ie. sunroof, window regulators, A-pillar trim falling, etc.). My buddy just bought one in August (170,000kms). He loves it, although he misses the kick that his E36 325 had.

The only thing he had to do was a ABS sensor problem.

edit: Oh, and don't forget to have the subframe checked! I hear it's worse on the 2000 model year E46s.

Best of luck with your hunt! I love E46 coupes.

VSanj
11-13-2007, 07:14 PM
I heard the dealer is warranting the subframe??

Proper.............what are those runnin for in the states anyways.........just curious as to the price difference. I know over here you pay around 14-16 depending on the shape and klicks

summit425
11-13-2007, 07:22 PM
sun roof problem - fixed myself (pretty fun DIY)

no sub frame dmg nor window regulator

insurance - e90 328 and e46 323 had exact same quote for me.. so can't assume they have cheapest insurance

gas mileage - well 323 has 2500cc engine. I don't think e36 325 has more hp or torque. old engine = bad gas mileage

My e46 323 gives me 9.8-9L/100km highway and city drive is almost 13-14L/100km (or more)

If you care about all these I think 320 is the answer.

Mikeee46coup
11-13-2007, 07:32 PM
My lil 323ci is an okay car, be on the look out for subframe tears (front & rear), fan blower motor issues, door lock actuators, falling door seals, O2 sensors, Cam position sensors, typical BMW stuff I guess, it is great on gas and there are a few on Fanatics w/over 400,0000km

boxcarracer
11-13-2007, 07:34 PM
Mine's for sale... check it out.
Great car, low km, I just don't need it anymore :(

propr'one
11-13-2007, 07:36 PM
Thanks for the input guys. Would any of you guys take me for a spin in your car?

Vsanj, they go for about 8-9K USD, i'm hoping to have one in canada for about 10.5K without taxes,

Boxcarracer, your car looks mint, and is almost exactly what i'm looking for. Unfortunately, the price difference between canadian and american cars forces me to shop in the states.
Summit425 -> i would get a 320, but i dont want another sedan.

boxcarracer
11-13-2007, 07:47 PM
I understand :(
Good luck with your search

dbworld4k
11-13-2007, 07:49 PM
Ivan, hit me up on MSN if you want a spin in my friend's 323 (you sold him the HID bulbs in the summer, remember?)

propr'one
11-13-2007, 07:56 PM
I do! I'll definately take you up on that. Is his car auto or 5spd? It was sport package correct? (The black coupe, right?)

dbworld4k
11-13-2007, 08:21 PM
Yes, black coupe. Sadly it's auto, but you get the jist of it. Not sure if it has the sport pkg. I'll check the seats, lol.

Mystikal
11-13-2007, 08:31 PM
Ivan, my mom's been dailying a 2000 323i for 6 years now, it's been very reliable. She got it at 33k and it now has 138k I think, only had a couple issues (Vanos problem, 1 window regulator, 1 ignition coil boot, 1 tie rod end). For 100k+ of driving, that's incredible to me.

It's a manual with the sport package, so the same stuff as the coupe. Call me up, we'll chill in the hood.

Jay

BMW_7
11-13-2007, 08:35 PM
Oh jay I never knew your family got a whole stable of BMWs, i guess you gave them the bug, haha the bug that keeps on giving is it?

My sister got a e46 too, I dunno, I don't like them at all, I dunno about you Ivan but after driving one I was so much happier to get into my e36. I'm sure Jay knows what I'm talking about

Mystikal
11-13-2007, 08:38 PM
Haha yeah, we have 3 now. Neighbours think we're friggin nuts. And I didn't start it, my dad did with the E30 back in '90. ;)

The E46 is a pretty dead car, it's not really all that fun to drive (especially the 323/328...the later M54 models sound a lot better). But what it is good at is being very quiet, comfortable, reliable, and still very capable handling wise for the occasional run. It's a great daily, but I'd need another car to drive for fun (like Ivan is planning to do).

Jay

BMW_7
11-13-2007, 08:48 PM
Haha yeah, we have 3 now. Neighbours think we're friggin nuts. And I didn't start it, my dad did with the E30 back in '90. ;)

The E46 is a pretty dead car, it's not really all that fun to drive (especially the 323/328...the later M54 models sound a lot better). But what it is good at is being very quiet, comfortable, reliable, and still very capable handling wise for the occasional run. It's a great daily, but I'd need another car to drive for fun (like Ivan is planning to do).

Jay
Ahhhh 90's, what an awesome time, when the e34 was the coolest car on the block

I hear you on the dead car part. I agree 100%, it's a car for women or for seniors IMO.

But we are a different breed. We are car enthusiasts. I mean look at it this way: you are still young, strong etc. Why not get a car like a Honda S2000 or a Vette and boot around in that? haha...winter or no winter. Anyway that's my mentality. There's plenty of time when I'm 50 and with a family that I can enjoy my Starbucks and my heated steering wheel.

I know that my next car will either be a 2 seater or a 80's monster hehe or both

Deep 3.2TL
11-13-2007, 09:40 PM
The ball joints in the early e46's are prone to needing replacing early... Only problem is that they are not removeable and need to be replaced with the entire lower control arm.

Deep

rodo
11-13-2007, 10:13 PM
if it has HK the front right door speaker will rattle. Subframe tearing is a problem as well

rodo
11-13-2007, 10:16 PM
PS if u want a cheap car my friend's dad is selling his '99 328i he has had since new. 255k dealer maintained, auto, leather, black on black premium pck I believe and sunroof. They want 6k firm. That's CHEAP

jstalin
11-13-2007, 10:25 PM
Mine's an 05 but I've had absolutely no problems with mine

BMW_7
11-13-2007, 11:17 PM
Mine's an 05 but I've had absolutely no problems with mine

You mean

I've had absolutely no problems with mine but mine's an 05


edit: holy **** 6k posts

dbworld4k
11-13-2007, 11:38 PM
An '05 323? I thought BMW only made the 323 models for 1999-2000 model years?

summit425
11-14-2007, 12:26 AM
maybe e90 323?? from 06

rodo
11-14-2007, 12:36 AM
he probably meant an '05 e46

Boots R
11-14-2007, 01:33 AM
An '05 323? I thought BMW only made the 323 models for 1999-2000 model years?

05 320, fool. Read his profile.

EUROVISION
11-14-2007, 01:38 AM
Good car. I've had my 00 328i for about 2 years - no problems at all other than regular oil changes and a set of tires.

lvan
11-14-2007, 04:39 AM
My friend had problems with rust under the doors and window regulators.

Not bad. I would stay a bit more with e36, save sxome more cash and snatch a 330ci.

propr'one
11-14-2007, 04:59 AM
The appeal of a 330ci doesn't really do much for me. My e36 is faster than a 330, so if i really wanna go out and get street racing tickets, i can. 6speed = sure its fun i guess, but my e36 is lighter than a 330, and has the exact same gearing (minus the 6th gear)

Now, since i'm really not in any kind of hurry to buy the car, i'm absolutely, not at all considering sedans. Its not (entirely) that i regret getting the e36 in sedan, but since i'm gonna keep the e36, there's really no point for an unmarried guy to own two family sedans.
Also, i'm getting a manual. No need to explain that one - auto sucks so much its not worth driving.

Jay, i got a couple more questions for you, but i'll ask you next time i see you.


Thanks for all the input guys. I found a relatively clean black one at auction for 7300$ in oregon, and a clean silver one on autotrader in florida for ~8900. Now, like i said i'm not in too much of a hurry to buy the car. I have a winter beater for this season, and this summer the e36 will still come out. But i can't drive the gt3-rs forever, as it has to go back to stuttgart to be featured in the museum there. That, and my parents are embarassed about having it in the driveawy. Having said that, i definatly could get the money together if i found a deal on a car i want.

lvan
11-14-2007, 05:12 AM
Okay! Lets say you got a late model 2 door 328is.... Would you be still looking for E46 coupe. It's nice to get a newer bmw, and it does not have to be a beast. I think you just prefer a newer car.

lvan
11-14-2007, 05:19 AM
I dont know man but I am looking to get 328is or e46 coupe like 325ci/330. I am starting to hate E36s, they look kinda dated. In my hometown ,some people had them in 1991/92, and they look kind of old. I think I will just wait a bit and get E46.

propr'one
11-14-2007, 06:01 AM
well, i have the latest model e36 4door i could find (1998-last year they made them). Its not that i dont like the e36. Actually, its exactly the opposite. I like the e36 too much to rack up thousands of KM's on it crusing on the highway, i dont want it rusting, i dont want to crash it into something. Stock e46's - dime a dozen. Plus, if something were to happen to the e46, the insurance company would buy me one in identical condition. My e36 is worth peanuts to insurance companies.


So, to answer your question, if i had a e36 328is, would i get a e46? Mabye not, but i'm not going to have two e36's, especially because i'd still drive the car i'm about to buy in the winter. Who drives sedans in the summer, and coupes in the winter?

So, i think i'm going to stick with the 323. If i'm really dying for the power, i can chip it and put a m3 diff/driveshaft/half-shaft setup in, and it will haul ass. I honesly dont see myself doing that though

shimajer
11-14-2007, 12:45 PM
get it. i dont see more problems than a e36 will have.

propr'one
11-14-2007, 06:17 PM
^^see, that's what i was thinking. Everyone has ALWAYS told me to stay away from early e46's cause of electrical stuff, but it doesn't seem as if they really have as many problems as people make them out to be.

Now i gotta start the long ass process of finding a car:/

summit425
11-14-2007, 07:52 PM
can't be worse than any e36 or older ones.

good luck!! hope you find a car that you really like!!

mpower1226
11-17-2007, 11:34 AM
Ivan, let me know if you are looking for the car, I will give you a hook up and you will save some coins.