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bmdbley'sBro
11-09-2007, 01:19 PM
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so yeah i debated posting this... but here it is..
cops on max take me with a grain of salt..

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I am going to lose 2 points? off my licence for ^that, cause its 'unsafe'!?
thats the punishment for the 'unsafe' aspect, on top of the money..


yet the officer that clocked me didn't feel too unsafe about running out across 3 lanes of traffic
to stand in the path of my speeding oncoming car to tell me to HALT!

commen sense would suggest that the police 'halt hand' is not endowed with special
'stopping of fast moving metal objects' powers.. <-part to be taken with salt
anyway's as u can see i had no problem 'stopping safely'

so how 'unsafe' is it really if they're running in front of the cars??


Plus look at that road man 3lanes each way (no sidewalks, so no pedestrains),
some parts of the trans canada hi-way are only 1 lane each way!!
limit is way to low there & they sit there all month (and other parts of that road)
and collect mad mad mad cash.

I drove the oposite way 30mins later they had like 5 people stopped.
and yeah It is my fault Cause i'm stupid & should've known better then to speed.. there.
just hadn't been by that way at '12noon' (or lunchtime) in a while..

well at least the cop was polite and didn't rape me.. by reducing the fine..
mind u i was 9kph from my car being seized..and she didn't even mention or warn about that..!??
probably cause she hopes to nail me on that next time?! min fine is $2K but up to $10K @t 50kph over


I kinda have to laugh at the absurdity of it all. *shiner*

INFAMOU$
11-09-2007, 01:42 PM
Nice vid.. how much did the in car camera run you? and where is your passenger side wiper?

mirek
11-09-2007, 01:43 PM
What's your complaint? She was pretty far away from you, gave you plenty of time to slow down and stop.

Boots R
11-09-2007, 01:49 PM
lol, you should have made some smartass comment about her Elton John shades.

p.s. where'd she get $325 for 41 over? it's $287

hadesm5
11-09-2007, 02:39 PM
i dont understand why they reduce it."you were going 105 but i reduced it to 85"? why do they always do that, to make u feel that u got lucky?

kevin325
11-09-2007, 02:39 PM
Nice vid.. how much did the in car camera run you? and where is your passenger side wiper?

x2...

Meegis
11-09-2007, 04:15 PM
How is this epic? Whats the point of this post? It seems pretty standard?

Anyone else confused? :confused:

Quack
11-09-2007, 04:48 PM
How is this epic? Whats the point of this post? It seems pretty standard?

Anyone else confused? :confused:


I'm with you on this one:confused:

Arash
11-09-2007, 04:49 PM
is that in Toronto? what road?

Jim .E.
11-09-2007, 06:26 PM
stupid ticket that couldve been avoided. im not gonna lie i was actually hoping you were 50 over so i could see what happens

bimmer318ti
11-09-2007, 06:46 PM
How is this epic? Whats the point of this post? It seems pretty standard?

Anyone else confused? :confused:
^
x2. agree.

Itís exactly what I predicted. Standard police procedure.

IMHO, I donít know if that tape will do any good in court.

BimmerboyPH
11-09-2007, 07:31 PM
I would have run, she wasnt in a car buddy u could have got away no probs!

INFAMOU$
11-09-2007, 07:38 PM
I think his point was that being pretty close to 50 over that they didn't even say anything in regards to the new law and how he should be more careful... had he have been 50 over then she wouldn't have knocked the ticket down any.. Also being 41 over and "knocking it down" isn't enforcing the laws we currently have.. Due Process which we are now robbed of if 50 over.. He should have been charged the full 41 over and had his day in court.. That will prove to be more of a lesson than a 25 over charge that he knows he got away with and could possibly have it knocked down even more.. Our legal system is a joke..

Jim .E.
11-09-2007, 08:21 PM
agreed the system is very sketchy these days. sometimes there strict, sometimes there not. my buddy got a 105 in a 70 zone which wasnt reduced. we took it to court wednesday, got bumped down to 85 in a 70, $60 slap on the wrist called it a day.

Sneaky
11-09-2007, 09:45 PM
Should have kept going lol

woofster
11-10-2007, 12:01 AM
What's most epic is how the police officer immediately reduced the charges so nonchalantly.

slemmer
11-10-2007, 12:41 AM
Reducing the limit on the ticket is arbutrary. If you give them attitude, be sure that you'll get the full hit. I think by lowering the fine, they hope you won't challenge it in court and just pay it off. One less charge to testify from their book.

bmdbley'sBro
11-10-2007, 02:46 PM
Nice vid.. how much did the in car camera run you? and where is your passenger side wiper?
thanks..its just a kodack wedged under the headreast.

the pass wiper is in its normal position the drivers side is not (messed) :D but it works

What's your complaint? She was pretty far away from you, gave you plenty of time to slow down and stop.
my complaint look at that road & tell me i should lose points for that?
it wasn't unsafe.. most unsafe part is her running in front of cars all day.
sad a person could get injured, career ended over something so trivial.
-limit is too low there.

but i'm glad i didn't get the full ticket- obviously.


How is this epic? Whats the point of this post? It seems pretty standard?

Anyone else confused? :confused:
Epic is like a pun or sarcastic opposite of what this is: pretty bland & normal.
imagine if i had been doing 9kph more... could u watch that vid & Honestly call it 'racing'
and yeah i guess it is standard for them to rake it in like that. limit is to low.
less confused?



is that in Toronto? what road?
no.

stupid ticket that couldve been avoided. im not gonna lie i was actually hoping you were 50 over so i could see what happens
yeah ok i was speeding -but agian how can u call it an 'unsafe' speed for 'that' road?
see what happens how? to see if i'd get 'let off' or more a 'screw me I deserve to get my shit impounded & lose my licence for driving like that ("unsafely")' :confused:

which one?


^
x2. agree.

Itís exactly what I predicted. Standard police procedure.

IMHO, I donít know if that tape will do any good in court.
I wonder what the police unions stance on running into traffic with no reflective vest are in regards to minimization of work related injuries??
they also set up shop in front a bus stop

yeah i doubt it would help in court either?-
but i think amongst us bmw drivers it shows & we can hopefully all appreciate that this was not an 'unsafe' speed for that road

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OK..Which is more dangerous: my posted vid or running a red light at 60kph??
because if a redlight camera catches you its a 'money only' fine no points

Jim .E.
11-10-2007, 02:58 PM
yeah ok i was speeding -but agian how can u call it an 'unsafe' speed for 'that' road?
see what happens how? to see if i'd get 'let off' or more a 'screw me I deserve to get my shit impounded & lose my licence for driving like that ("unsafely")' :confused:

which one?


well your title was misleading, said epic speeding ticket so I assumed that you were doing 50 over and she let you off. never said it was unsafe on that road as I dont even know where that was, just said it couldve been avoided

ringle
11-10-2007, 03:01 PM
Next time you get stopped like that ask her for a date and compliment her on her hairdo, etc. and see what happens! :D

Meegis
11-10-2007, 03:19 PM
Epic is like a pun or sarcastic opposite of what this is: pretty bland & normal.
imagine if i had been doing 9kph more... could u watch that vid & Honestly call it 'racing'
and yeah i guess it is standard for them to rake it in like that. limit is to low.
less confused?

Actually no, Im not less confused, but in fact, more confused by your convoluted way of describing a simple and daily occurence. I mean, you were speeding, you got pulled over.

You were not doing 50 over, no need to assimilate it. If you had been doing 49 over and nothing was said, than maybe you could be curious, but all in all, I think this whole thread was made for you to get attention.

We have all been in the same position you have. Some were better off and some were worse. I personally think you got treated like any other person who kept their mouth shut would have.

As for the immediate deduction on the ticket, she may realize that you weren't being 'unsafe' in any way, and thus, it wasnt a question of merit, but rather, you broke the law, she gave you a break, and now your going to pay the consequences that she felt necessary.

Can you please explain to me now, what I am still not getting?

denisemichel
11-10-2007, 10:42 PM
lol thats wacked, and its a women too.

Chris de la Cruz
11-11-2007, 10:46 AM
wtf you deserve that ticket. Obviously in the video you were going way faster than the "flow of traffic". The officer gave you plenty of warning to stop so i don't see how unsafe she was? unsafe is jumping out on the fast lane of the 401 to stop a speeder. trust me i've seen it done.

IMO this is a ticket that could've been avoided or a desprate plea for attention from the internet world.

edit: i think the limit is 60 there b/c it looks like a busy business sector or something. Is that an apartment building down the road there as well?

bmdbley'sBro
11-11-2007, 04:01 PM
well your title was misleading, said epic speeding ticket so I assumed that you were doing 50 over and she let you off. never said it was unsafe on that road as I dont even know where that was, just said it couldve been avoided

'My Epic speeding ticket Video -9kph from 'racing' lol '

ooooh oook.

bmdbley'sBro
11-11-2007, 04:27 PM
Actually no, Im not less confused, but in fact, more confused by your convoluted way of describing a simple and daily occurence. I mean, you were speeding, you got pulled over.

You were not doing 50 over, no need to assimilate it. If you had been doing 49 over and nothing was said, than maybe you could be curious, but all in all, I think this whole thread was made for you to get attention.


We have all been in the same position you have. Some were better off and some were worse. I personally think you got treated like any other person who kept their mouth shut would have.

As for the immediate deduction on the ticket, she may realize that you weren't being 'unsafe' in any way, and thus, it wasnt a question of merit, but rather, you broke the law, she gave you a break, and now your going to pay the consequences that she felt necessary.

Can you please explain to me now, what I am still not getting?
lol the only thing 'conveluted' is your lengthly reply supposedly avec plus 'confusion'

'simple daily occurence' i remeber when there weren't 30+ speed enfrocement traps in this city of less then 1million people
and it was not a simple daily occurence....These simple and daily occurence equate to millions in revene..
at the cost of a percentage of the motorists privileges..all from something as mundane as commuting with the flow of traffic.

now i know i was speeding - i never said i wasn't - but had that 3 lane road had a realistic limit on it 70-or 80kph.
i would've only been 20-30 over & would have probably gotten a 10-15kph over ticket.
10kph over having no points loss & the city still gets its $50 bux *th-up*

the limit is artificially low there..there are other roads that only have 2lanes,
sidwalks, near schools & a hospital that have a 70kph limit!?
so why not the 3lane 'artery' road with no sidewalks & only gov building around??
maybe cause keeping it at 60 (a ridiculously low speed for that road) is worth millions a year in revenue! :idea:

now as for what im 'Entitled' to be curious about- who made you g0d?
I'm entitled to be curious about whatever I want to be.

And i think its a wee bit shady on the officers part that there was no mention of how close i was to being impounded!
I mean I could've coughed and been over 110. my (assumed) ignorance is her ticket writing car impounding Bliss i guess.

Arash
11-11-2007, 04:35 PM
she gave you a break and reduced the fine so stop bitching. next time you decide to speed keep your eyes open for speed traps.

98Dinan3
11-11-2007, 04:45 PM
Why were you cruising around with a camera rolling? I also believe you were supposed to inform the officer that the conversation/traffic stop was being recorded.

Nascar318is
11-11-2007, 10:00 PM
edit: i think the limit is 60 there b/c it looks like a busy business sector or something. Is that an apartment building down the road there as well?

Yup business sector that's the Canada post building, and there's a few more Government buildings out there..

That's a bad road for speeders, when he stops you can see the red light camera sign(bad road in general).. Friday nights tons of cars on there racing F & F Style.

25km/h over? I'm surprised she didn't give you a ticket for the 3 point range.. If it was the other side of the river it would have been one point lol I'm surprised she didn't say boo for your exhaust, maybe cause you have Quebec plates. Here's my "lucky" pulled over story, doing 121km/h in a 70km(5 points $5xx fine).. he knocked it down to 101km/h 2 points 105$ fine.

I think what the OP is saying, is the safety of her like he mentioned. Imagine coming down the road and the sun is right in your eyes (and you can't see down the road)and you have a police officer standing in the road trying to tell someone doing 100 to slow down. Can you say new windshield, and coffin? Usually they do have orange vests, or some stay on the grass and point to tell you to pull over.

Robb
11-12-2007, 12:08 AM
did you ask to see the radar gun ? was it a lisenced radar gun ? sometimes the lisence on the gun expires and the cop is crewed then.. haha

d12
11-12-2007, 01:55 AM
should of kept going.... if something would happen after you could always say "I didn't see you"

lvan
11-12-2007, 02:23 AM
sorry dude. No offence but you ripped it nicely after the last car on your right. Everyime I do this, I get that quilty feeling that cop is just around the corna lol.

Meegis
11-12-2007, 06:42 AM
lol the only thing 'conveluted' is your lengthly reply supposedly avec plus 'confusion'

'simple daily occurence' i remeber when there weren't 30+ speed enfrocement traps in this city of less then 1million people
and it was not a simple daily occurence....These simple and daily occurence equate to millions in revene..
at the cost of a percentage of the motorists privileges..all from something as mundane as commuting with the flow of traffic.

now i know i was speeding - i never said i wasn't - but had that 3 lane road had a realistic limit on it 70-or 80kph.
i would've only been 20-30 over & would have probably gotten a 10-15kph over ticket.
10kph over having no points loss & the city still gets its $50 bux *th-up*

the limit is artificially low there..there are other roads that only have 2lanes,
sidwalks, near schools & a hospital that have a 70kph limit!?
so why not the 3lane 'artery' road with no sidewalks & only gov building around??
maybe cause keeping it at 60 (a ridiculously low speed for that road) is worth millions a year in revenue! :idea:

now as for what im 'Entitled' to be curious about- who made you g0d?
I'm entitled to be curious about whatever I want to be.

And i think its a wee bit shady on the officers part that there was no mention of how close i was to being impounded!
I mean I could've coughed and been over 110. my (assumed) ignorance is her ticket writing car impounding Bliss i guess.

I love this, you just keep digging. :D

"You remember when"... worst way to enter a debate. I also remember when gas only cost $0.80/litre. Ya, only eighty cents. I mean, those were the days of cheap oil :rolleyes: As you can see, youve made a moot point. Everything and everyone evolves, so you better learn to roll with it.

As for millions in revenue, yeah, it is, but it wasn't something they made you do. I understand you were speeding, I understand you admit to it, but that in no way entitles you to bitch about it and get sympathy for it. Imagine I knocked on your door covered in blood and asked to use your washroom. "I swear, he was only a kid, I know murder is wrong, but I didn't plan it, the kid just pissed me off, so I smacked him around a little". I remember those days when adults hitting kids as discipline wasn't as badly looked upon as today. I also remember when people would allow you into their homes if you were in need of help.


So, I think you may be starting to get the point now......... I hope.

You say it was simple, mundane and you were going with the flow of traffic. Although, it seems that in the video (as pointed out by others in this thread, you were clearly passing people) I thought passing people meant you were going faster than the flow of traffic. Doesn't it? :confused:

Anyways, I think I will rest at this point of my reply, that way I can still respond again when you decide to feed this flame of a post.

Oh ya, what makes me god? I think the best answer to that is the theory of the unknown. I cant explain it to you as you wont understand. My history is clouded with theories like the big bang, or the seven days. Let's just say, I am what god makes me. So, I am what I choose myself to be. *wave*

Max_VQ
11-12-2007, 08:42 AM
I feel you pain.... Right now the Cops are really cracking down on speeding and I won't do more than 10 over the limit. Everyone passes me, but I won't get a ticket.

BennyL
11-12-2007, 11:52 AM
I feel you pain.... Right now the Cops are really cracking down on speeding and I won't do more than 10 over the limit. Everyone passes me, but I won't get a ticket.

and there you have it.

cops are on a witch hunt for speeders. thats the reality, guys. so grow the **** up and stop flying.

i learned a while ago to drive like a normal person. its annoying going no more than 10 over the limit... but it means you get to keep your license, and thats all that matters. i may not agree with the laws, but i learned to follow them. so grow up and do the same.

VSanj
11-12-2007, 12:20 PM
i dont know bout the vid................but the tune is dope!

T.Dot_E30
11-12-2007, 02:19 PM
Your arguement should be with the city to change the speed limit.

Not with the cop that enforces it.

chromius
11-12-2007, 03:24 PM
I have to agree with T.Dot_E30, the problem is with the City for sure. The Cop seemed nice enough, and did at least drop the fine down.

The City (Ottawa) is really messed up when it comes to their traffic calming, and speed limit choices. That's why almost every f-ing road downtown now seems to have speed bumps every half block. If our socialist council had it's way there wouldn't be any cars on the roads. Think of the Albion Rd fiasco! They closed a main artery for people to get downtown all because a couple of people thought it was dangerous to have cars so close to houses! Hello!:confused:

Then they introduce an idling by-law, so your car can't idle anymore! They claim it's for the environment, but then at the same time they put speed bumps everywhere so that you have to slow down then accelerate, then stop signs, which uses more gas then idleing I guarantee. Not to mention the traffic problems which they refuse to address...

God I could go on forever about how hypocritical this City is, and how stupid the city planners are. But I'll end the rant now, since it doesn't really apply to this thread:D

Edit: Back on topic, I understand where you're coming from. There is no way that if you were doing 9km/h more that it should be considered "street racing" or "stunt driving" whatever they want to call it. Sure it's speeding, and should be fined as such, but the one size fits all law of 50km/h over="street racing" is really quite rediculous, and I have a feeling will open up many doors to lawsuits against the province/city for Charter rights violations (guilty without due process)

bmdbley'sBro
11-13-2007, 01:18 AM
lol, you should have made some smartass comment about her Elton John shades.


Should have kept going lol

Next time you get stopped like that ask her for a date and compliment her on her hairdo, etc. and see what happens! :D

should of kept going.... if something would happen after you could always say "I didn't see you"

i dont know bout the vid................but the tune is dope!

:D LOL's

bmdbley'sBro
11-13-2007, 01:48 AM
wtf you deserve that ticket. Obviously in the video you were going way faster than the "flow of traffic".
what traffic??

man if i ever win the bah'million dollar lottery -i'll pay lobbyists to get a new law passed
that will remove the speed limit if there's no traffic..!

empty roads by law must now be raped raped & raped some more!!
and it would be passed under the guise of the environment, as rev'd out motors have cleaner emissions!

:P

Why were you cruising around with a camera rolling? I also believe you were supposed to inform the officer that the conversation/traffic stop was being recorded.
don't believe thats a law here (is in a few states) ...anyways it was in 'plain view'

did you ask to see the radar gun ? was it a lisenced radar gun ? sometimes the lisence on the gun expires and the cop is crewed then.. haha
laser & she showed it to me when she said 101 in a 60.

I love this, you just keep digging. :D

"You remember when"... worst way to enter a debate. I also remember when gas only cost $0.80/litre. Ya, only eighty cents. I mean, those were the days of cheap oil :rolleyes: As you can see, youve made a moot point. Everything and everyone evolves, so you better learn to roll with it.

As for millions in revenue, yeah, it is, but it wasn't something they made you do. I understand you were speeding, I understand you admit to it, but that in no way entitles you to bitch about it and get sympathy for it.

Imagine I knocked on your door covered in blood and asked to use your washroom. "I swear, he was only a kid, I know murder is wrong, but I didn't plan it, the kid just pissed me off, so I smacked him around a little". I remember those days when adults hitting kids as discipline wasn't as badly looked upon as today. I also remember when people would allow you into their homes if you were in need of help.


So, I think you may be starting to get the point now......... I hope.

You say it was simple, mundane and you were going with the flow of traffic. Although, it seems that in the video (as pointed out by others in this thread, you were clearly passing people) I thought passing people meant you were going faster than the flow of traffic. Doesn't it? :confused:

Anyways, I think I will rest at this point of my reply, that way I can still respond again when you decide to feed this flame of a post.

Oh ya, what makes me god? I think the best answer to that is the theory of the unknown. I cant explain it to you as you wont understand. My history is clouded with theories like the big bang, or the seven days. Let's just say, I am what god makes me. So, I am what I choose myself to be. *wave*
if you're a traffic cop i told you take me with a grain of salt!

are we dabating? we'll at least you agree with me on 1point 'millions in revenue' per city, annually.
you did not agree with 'at the loss of privelage' over something i called 'mundane' :
the flow of traffic often being 20kph above the posted limit.

and as for 'bitching' whats so different about this 'ticket' thread compared to the legion of others on here?
other then the video (w/added jay-z)??

then you equate -speeding to accidental murder....
I actually get were your going with that...

but in this instance, in the road shown in this video.. thats a stretch..

being broad daylight & no crosswalks would not this imaginary group of sweet innocent children
that i'll be slaughtering with my 'speeding' 'death machine' bear some blame
for running in front of my car in broad daylight (on whats basicaly a Hi-way), like tards?

bmdbley'sBro
11-13-2007, 02:08 AM
I feel you pain.... Right now the Cops are really cracking down on speeding and I won't do more than 10 over the limit. Everyone passes me, but I won't get a ticket.
yup. and just wait till next summer.. :(

Your arguement should be with the city to change the speed limit.

Not with the cop that enforces it.

'city' my revenue comments...thats where it goes.

and I have no complaint about the officer -
just kinda 'dangerous' to run infront of cars with no reflective vest.
sneaky to be camped at a bus stop, but thats their perrogative I guess?
and not too informative about the new draconian law.

but she was extremely professional and didn't rape me (full ticket). said that in my original post.

I have to agree with T.Dot_E30, the problem is with the City for sure. The Cop seemed nice enough, and did at least drop the fine down.

The City (Ottawa) is really messed up when it comes to their traffic calming, and speed limit choices. That's why almost every f-ing road downtown now seems to have speed bumps every half block. If our socialist council had it's way there wouldn't be any cars on the roads. Think of the Albion Rd fiasco! They closed a main artery for people to get downtown all because a couple of people thought it was dangerous to have cars so close to houses! Hello!:confused:

Then they introduce an idling by-law, so your car can't idle anymore! They claim it's for the environment, but then at the same time they put speed bumps everywhere so that you have to slow down then accelerate, then stop signs, which uses more gas then idleing I guarantee. Not to mention the traffic problems which they refuse to address...

God I could go on forever about how hypocritical this City is, and how stupid the city planners are. But I'll end the rant now, since it doesn't really apply to this thread:D

Edit: Back on topic, I understand where you're coming from. There is no way that if you were doing 9km/h more that it should be considered "street racing" or "stunt driving" whatever they want to call it. Sure it's speeding, and should be fined as such, but the one size fits all law of 50km/h over="street racing" is really quite rediculous, and I have a feeling will open up many doors to lawsuits against the province/city for Charter rights violations (guilty without due process)

And I have to agree with your pretty much perfect and 'accurate' rant, thanks *th-up*

EUROVISION
11-13-2007, 02:45 AM
I think the point he was trying to make was that he was driving in a safe manner, yet 9km/h more would mean instantly losing his car and license for a week, and a 2-10k fine.

adjei
11-22-2007, 05:28 PM
yet the officer that clocked me didn't feel too unsafe about running out across 3 lanes of traffic
to stand in the path of my speeding oncoming car to tell me to HALT!

lol same thing happened 2 me i thought it was a person running across from far

bmdbley'sBro
12-05-2007, 06:21 AM
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Ok so my opinion of:
'it wasn't unsafe, limit is too low, points loss for it is sad'

is verified as correct by this stfu'dy



The problem with speed limits is that they are too low


We could raise limits by 10-20 km/h and save time, money and lives

CHARLES W. MOORE, Freelance
Published: Tuesday, December 04

Last month, an EKOS Research study for Transport Canada found seven out of 10 Canadians freely admit to exceeding speed limits from time to time, with another 11 per cent copping to speeding "only on highways." Average speeding margins were 12 kilometres per hour over the limit on highways, 10 km/h on two-lane highways/country roads and seven km/h on residential streets.

The report contends speeders underestimate their true speed and "delude themselves" into thinking their behaviour really isn't that bad - acknowledging they are technically breaking the law, but not in a way that endangers either themselves or others.

Perhaps the delusion is that moderate speeding poses a serious and unacceptable risk, and the real "problem" is that Canadian speed limits are too low, which 51 per cent of survey respondents said they are, and a good reason why most Canadians frequently exceed them.

There is nothing magically authoritative about pegging the legal limit at a particular figure. It's a broad generality at best, a highly relative value judgment on a reasonable trade-off between safety and efficiency. Ergo, if the speed limit was set at 50 km/h on highways (and could be enforced), it's certain fewer people would be killed or hurt in highway crashes, but it is arbitrarily deemed a higher number of fatalities and maimings are tolerable, since we set the highest highway speed limit at more than twice that figure.

Brian Jonah, director of road safety programs at Transport Canada, maintained the chance of an accident resulting in a fatality is reduced by one per cent with every five km/h reduction in speed. I'd like to review the science of that assertion, which flies in the face of empirical reality in the United States and Europe.

Following the 1973 oil crisis and the U.S. government's imposition of a national 55 mph (88 km/h) limit, statistical analyses indicate highway safety worsened. And when Congress finally repealed federal speed limits in November 1995, to much caterwauling from the "speed-kills" crowd, with dire predictions of 6,400 increased deaths and a million additional injuries, the actual effect was diametrically opposite. Traffic deaths dropped to a record low by 1997, including in the 33 states that had immediately raised their speed limits. Meanwhile, Americans saved about 200 million person-hours in terms of less time spent on the road, with a reported net economic benefit of higher speed limits of $2 billion to $3 billion a year. A U.S. National Research Council panel pegged the cost of the 55-mph limit at about one billion person-hours per year.

Likewise, a study by the U.S. National Motorists Association found the safest period on Montana's Interstate highways was when there were no daytime speed limits or enforceable speed laws at all. When Montana implemented a new "safety program," imposing speed limits and enforcement, the state's fatal accident rate didn't just increase, it doubled, according to NMA statistics.

Other interesting findings of the Montana study were that vehicles traveling faster than average had the lowest accident rates, and there was no positive correlation between speed enforcement and accident rates on rural highways. If anything, the highways became less safe with enforcement.

By global standards, North American speed limits are absurdly low. In most European countries the highway speed limit is either 120 km/h or 130 km/h. Britain and Sweden have the strictest limits at 110 km/h. About three-quarters of the famous German Autobahnen have no speed limit at all. The "recommended velocity" is 130 km/h, but average speeds in unregulated areas are about 150 km/h. Nevertheless, the overall safety record on Autobahnen is comparable to that on controlled-access highways in European countries with speed limits. A 2005 study by the German Interior Ministry found sections with unrestricted speed had the same accident record as sections with speed limits.

The preponderance of evidence, as opposed to supposition, prejudice, hysteria and conventional wisdom, indicates speed, per se, doesn't "kill," that there are massive economic costs consequential to imposing unnecessarily low speed limits, and that there is a logical and legitimate case for raising - not lowering - speed limits on Canadian highways.

I'm confident we could bump the maximum speed limit to 120 or 130 km/h quite satisfactorily, in the mature understanding that any speed limit involves arbitrary compromise among fuel economy, safety and economics. We could save lives and gas by driving 50 km/h, but that would be silly, wouldn't it?


http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=02ba28f0-86a5-4250-9bd2-d1c2ae606a5b&p=2


'vehicles traveling faster than average had the lowest accident rates,
and there was no positive correlation between speed enforcement and accident rates on rural highways.
If anything, the highways became less safe with enforcement.'

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Dr. Flyview
12-05-2007, 12:04 PM
Nice article, but I don't think you get it. They will not change it! They are not about to say byebye to serious money...simple as that. They have the general mommy public behind them and that's all they need.

SeRb
12-05-2007, 12:30 PM
i have a clean driving record so far, it sucks to be nabbed on an empty road and im not saying you're endangering anyone...

all i know is ive heard plenty of stories like that from friends / co-workers and one day i decided that screw it i'll stick to 10 over and won't have to worry about anything... even on roads on which traffic is moving a solid 20 over ill stick to the right lane and do 10 over... (unless its on the highway)

the thing is id rather be bothered about the fact that im driving like a douche than be bothered about the fact that my insurance premiums equal most people's mortgage payments

lvan
12-05-2007, 04:12 PM
I feel you pain.... Right now the Cops are really cracking down on speeding and I won't do more than 10 over the limit. Everyone passes me, but I won't get a ticket.


That too + they are putting red light camers on a very small intersection. They are covering each one.

bmdbley'sBro
12-05-2007, 04:18 PM
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the thing is id rather be bothered about the fact that im driving like a douche than be bothered about the fact that my insurance premiums equal most people's mortgage payments

oddly my insurance rates keep going down...:confused:
my plate renewal went up like $10 bux though :D