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bmwm5lover
01-13-2003, 11:44 PM
Well the strangest thing, i was sitting on the can reading the "Great Marques BMW" by Jeremy walton, and John Blundsen, considered one of the greatest older books for BMW, and what do i stumbl upon but to find thay back when the 533 was introduced (~83-84) the 533i was a limited number vehicle,. and since there wasnt any M cars, until 85, the 533i was the M of its time, made for the thrill seekers.
Here is the quote:
"There has always been a limited number of BMW Motorsport GmbH 3- and 3.3-liter made to satisfy more enthusiastic custmers...yaddi yaddi yadda....."
That was written under the 5 series artile, and i had to read it a few times to see if i was imagining things. so technically, i own some kind of an M. Very nice to hear.....Cheerious

btw, there some nice convertible e21 , and 2002;s in there....along with the batmobile, etc... *love* *mw*

Mr seville
01-14-2003, 12:27 AM
bat mobile???:confused:

Dave 325i
01-14-2003, 02:01 AM
Batmobile: Nickname for the 3.0CSL equipped with 3153cc six and pretty dramatic aero kit. So dramatic, that when the car was made available in a road version the aero kit was packed into the trunk, and the installation could be made at the owner's discretion.

When released on the racing circuit it promptly demolished the competition.

Attached: Frank Stella's 3.0CSL Art Car.

SpoolinS6
01-14-2003, 07:00 PM
that thing must be fast on the trac holy shit! thats good information bmwM5lover congrats if its true u must be happy right now ! eh*th-up*

1BADBMW
01-14-2003, 09:08 PM
very nice, old bimmers are the best, my dad had so many 5ers and they all were great, i gotta get that book, i personally love E21s, where did u get it chapters?

a nice E21:

bmwm5lover
01-15-2003, 12:18 AM
no, sadly its not mine, im borrowing it from work...but if i ever see it, im definitely buying it.
and jorge, according to the book, its true..man u better believe it im soo happy!!!:madnoel:

Shotta
01-15-2003, 01:47 PM
i have a remote control car with that body! it has the /// sitckers an everything

FatDaddyBMW
01-17-2003, 03:03 PM
Hey M5Lovr,

You're right about the BMW M 533i but not about it being the first M.

First of all, there was the M1 of course. But, a car that not many people know about is the e12 M535i. First generation 5-Series with the M30B34 engine and a sport suspension.

About the 533i: they all started as a Euro 528i. Then, BMW M installed the M30B32 engine into it. Basically, the 533i engine is just an e28 528i engine with a larger displacement. It's more related to the M30B28 than to the M30B34 (e28 535i engine). The US versions were of course then converted to US spec to send to the States.

Good research!

Hope this helps.

bmwm5lover
01-17-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by FatDaddyBMW
Hey M5Lovr,

You're right about the BMW M 533i but not about it being the first M.

First of all, there was the M1 of course. But, a car that not many people know about is the e12 M535i. First generation 5-Series with the M30B34 engine and a sport suspension.

About the 533i: they all started as a Euro 528i. Then, BMW M installed the M30B32 engine into it. Basically, the 533i engine is just an e28 528i engine with a larger displacement. It's more related to the M30B28 than to the M30B34 (e28 535i engine). The US versions were of course then converted to US spec to send to the States.

Good research!

Hope this helps.
i didnt mean the first M car, i meant the first M 5 series, and the m535 came after my car, and according to the book, the 528 and 533 are different, isnt ur displacement 2.8???all i know is that almost 200 trq is plenty good!*love*

bmwm5lover
01-17-2003, 10:24 PM
oops, ytes u are right, it hit me, there was an M535 b4 mine, thats right......my bad...

FatDaddyBMW
01-18-2003, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by bmwm5lover
i didnt mean the first M car, i meant the first M 5 series, and the m535 came after my car, and according to the book, the 528 and 533 are different, isnt ur displacement 2.8???all i know is that almost 200 trq is plenty good!*love*


Are you talking about the 528e or the 528i? Let me give you a little bit of e28 information. We e28 guys hafta stick together! ; -)

The only US e28s were: 528e, 533i, 535i, and M5. Euro e28s included:

518i, 520i, 525i, 528i, 528e, 533i, 535i, M535i, and M5.

The 518i was basically the same 4-pot as the e30 318i. The 520i and 528e are the M20 engine (same block and basic design as the e30 323i, 325i, and 325e). The 525i, 533i, 535i, and M535i are the M30 engine, and the M5 is the S38.

So, if you were talking about the 528e, then yes it's different from the 533i. The 528i was the same block as the 533i, and as I said before, it was basically a stroked 528i and federalized for the US. Evidence of this can be found when you compare it to the 535i. The 533i is much lighter and has a lot of Euro-like stuff that the 535i doesn't.

Feel free to e-mail me if you want more info about this or anything pertaining to the e28.

bmwm5lover
01-18-2003, 07:54 PM
I gotta hand it to you, u know ur e28's, but im learning....i let an M535i pass me for 3000 cdn.....till this day i hate my self...

FatDaddyBMW
01-18-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by bmwm5lover
I gotta hand it to you, u know ur e28's, but im learning....i let an M535i pass me for 3000 cdn.....till this day i hate my self...


Thanks for the compl. I've spent a good deal trying to learn about them. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of how they work (fuel injection, especially).

Anyway, what condition was that 3kCDN M535i in? Someone must not have known what they had!!

bmwm5lover
01-18-2003, 11:28 PM
it was half decent. Auto, white on nasty red cloth interior, i dont know how it ran tho.

FatDaddyBMW
01-19-2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by bmwm5lover
it was half decent. Auto, white on nasty red cloth interior, i dont know how it ran tho.


Not exactly my idea of a great color combination, but an M535i is an M535i ; -)

Are you able to look into it some more? Here's some information for you.

The M535i was basically a highly-optioned 535i with the M-Technik body kit (not the M5 kit because many Euro e28 M5s didn't have the kit or even badges!!). It WAS available with an auto whereas the M5 wasn't.

The M535i, as well as the "standard" Euro 535i, could be had with two M30 engines: the high compression "dirty" engine and the low compression "green" engine. The US got only the green engine. The dirty engine had 218 HP while the green engine had the US's ~182 HP. The dirty engine didn't have a cat, most of the time and, because of that, no O2 sensor either.

Here are a couple of pictures of a true Euro 1985 M535i:

<center><img src="http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/5erfest/2002/pics/101202/other/park101202117.jpg">

<img src="http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/5erfest/2002/pics/101202/other/park101202036.jpg">

<img src="http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/5erfest/2002/pics/101202/other/park101202086.jpg"></center>

The owner is Duke Samouce. He is in the army and was stationed in Germany a couple of years ago. I remember the first post he made on the bimmer.org (now Roadfly.com) e28 board when he found that car in a salvage yard. It cost him $175 US. He's now got a LOT of money into it: Hartge H6 head, MAF, piggyback ignition controller, yada x3.

The car dynoed at ~260 HP at the crank (I can't remember the rear wheel number) last year, and that was with a bad cam and no Hartge goodies. I rode in the car in October, and it was a true e-ticket ride. The e36 boys have no idea what a real big six is like until they ride in Duke's car!!

You can look at his Cardomain page here:

<a href="http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=269576&make_type_query=make%3DBMW&model_brand_query=model%3D5-Series&tree=BMW%205-Series">Duke's '85 M535i Cardomain page</a>

C'ya,

bmwm5lover
01-19-2003, 12:21 PM
No the car had no kit whatsoever. it looked like a stock 5er, with the Mbadge at the back, and the mbadge on the steering wheels, and 1 M bagde stuck to the seats(the rest i presume had fallen off). It had the bottle cap rims, the dual exhaust(like mine), and some rust. No spoiler at the back, and i cant remember anything else.

FatDaddyBMW
01-19-2003, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by bmwm5lover
No the car had no kit whatsoever. it looked like a stock 5er, with the Mbadge at the back, and the mbadge on the steering wheels, and 1 M bagde stuck to the seats(the rest i presume had fallen off). It had the bottle cap rims, the dual exhaust(like mine), and some rust. No spoiler at the back, and i cant remember anything else.


Did it have Euro bumpers?

If not, it was most likely a regular Canadian-spec 535i automatic with some M-badges stuck on. That kind of M-raping happens even on e28s!! :mad:

There COULD have been an M535i imported and converted to US bumpers, but I really doubt it.

If it had Euro bumpers, it's definitely NOT an M535i. The M535i had the M-Technik kit, and if that car had no kit, it's no M535i. Another less evidenced point is that it had bottlecap wheels. The M535i came with these wheels:

<center><img src="http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/images/dukes1985m535i28.jpg"></center>

That's another pic of Duke's car before he imported it from Germany and put on the M System wheels with Throwing Star covers.

That car that you found would most definitely be arrested by the M Badge Police! :D

Congrats on not buying a "fake" M535i!!

bmwm5lover
01-19-2003, 02:56 PM
i dont know if it had the euro bumpers.

FatDaddyBMW
01-19-2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by bmwm5lover
i dont know if it had the euro bumpers.

LoL did you look at the car? :)

If the bumpers were bigass aluminum like yours and mine, it had US bumpers. If the front was shark-nosed like Duke's car I posted about above, it had Euros.

bmwm5lover
01-19-2003, 03:02 PM
i know what euro and american bumpers look like, but i dont remember what they were.