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EMPOWERD
10-15-2007, 01:06 AM
First off, I’d like to thank Fab (and Tina) for giving me the opportunity to drive Canada’s fastest, most powerful E46 M3. I’ve been lucky enough to have the opportunity to drive many high powered, (modified and stock) cars throughout my many years of instructing for various driving schools & lapping days around the GTA. Some of which include Ferrari Challenge Cars, Vipers, Porsche Turbo’s, 550HP Mustang Cobras, Supercharged and Turbo BMW’s, 600cc (custom) go-karts, Z06 Vettes (including tlaselva’s 700HP beast) and dozens of 1000cc superbikes. To say I’ve had my fair share of speed would be an understatement… hell, I’d even consider myself “speed-spoiled” at this point… A 300HP car barely gets my blood pumping (probably not a good thing).

That said, after having several chances to drive SuperM3’s HPF-750hp M3 over the past few days, I’d like to share my experience with everyone since so many are asking me what it feels like. First things first… the car is currently running “only” 540HP because it’s on the low-boost setting (6psi) until we get a chance to fill the tank with 110octane leaded race fuel for the full 13psi, 750hp experience. Once that happens, and I get a chance to drive it, I’ll be sure to update this post.

540hp is nothing to yawn about… it’ll still send you to jail before you can finish reading this sentence, especially with our new law. The one thing that surprised me was the level of grip his Bridgestone S03 held under hard acceleration in 1st gear. I was convinced the car would be travelling sideways through the first 3 gears, especially with our current low-teens Celsius weather; which wasn’t the case. The rev limiter comes up quickly and a careful eye on the tach is required when going through the gears. Acceleration feels surprisingly smooth, especially when full boost comes on at a relatively low 3200rpm. It’s not a “wall” of power like some large-turbo, small-displacement cars have, rather a nice surge of steady acceleration all the way to redline. Delivery from 3500rpm to 7500rpm redline is extremely linear and the sound is simply intoxicating… the wooshing noise coming from the spent gasses travelling through the exhaust system, exiting the four 3” tail pipes almost sounds surreal from inside the cabin on hard highway pulls.

The car definitely pulls harder in it’s current 6psi configuration that it did with Fab’s old AA stage-II supercharger kit (also 530HP)… turbo cars always seem to make more power than a comparable belt-driven supercharged variation on the same motor (less parasitic loss with “free” spinning turbine vs. power-robbing, crank-powered blowers) especially at higher speeds when the large 24” wide, 4” thick intercooler starts to really shine and the possibility of any supercharger belt-slippage is non-existant. Acceleration forces pin you to the seat even in 4th and 5th gear as the speedo needle sweeps from 200k/h to 260km/h mark in literally seconds (driven only on the race track of course). The best way to describe the acceleration on the highway (err.. track) at 200km/h in 5th gear is comparing it to an E36 M3 in 3rd gear accelerating from 80km/h onwards , it’s THAT fast.

A lot of criticism with high HP tuner cars is drivability around town, to and from work, in traffic. A race clutch is most definitely required to handle power when it starts to become double what the OEM was designed for. HPF sure did their homework on this. Their “race” clutch feels quite simply, like stock. Even Tina didn’t notice a difference when driving the car for the first time with the new 750 kit. The AEM piggy-back fuel management system works wonderful and operates seamlessly with the factory DME. You would never know the car had a turbo kit if it wasn’t for the crazy power and loud (twin) HKS SSQ blow-off valves constantly “sneezing” when you let off the gas. The "service engine soon" light is on, and will stay that way since the AEM system by-passes many of the factory DME parameters and sensors.

Earlier today I was fortunate enough to put the M3 through its paces at the BMWCC-Trillium autoX. Initially I thought it was going to be disastrous, with all that power… a tight course and slight throttle lag when getting on the gas (essentially the opposite feeling the factory “sport” button gives you). I was completely wrong after the first run. The car handled great with the 275/30 ZR19 Bridgestone S03’s clawing for grip and the Bilstein PSS9’s soaking up the uneven asphalt. I usually drive extremely close to cones use the throttle to pitch the rear end around after the front tire narrowly misses it, which is why I was concerned about the lag… thinking it would cause a pause long enough for the car to not react, hence running over the cone with the rear tire… but (as the video will prove) the car had NO problem waging it’s tail whenever summoned. Needless to say, I managed 2nd fastest (raw) time of the day with the HPF car. On the last run, I jumped into Fab’s (other) 400hp RMS stageIII s/c E36 M3 and did a quick fun-run to compare the characteristics behind sharp throttle response of the supercharged car and slight lag of the Precision T67 turbo’d car. The E36 was almost too much and created a lot of counter effort spending more of my time correcting the chassis as it was just breaking traction any slight throttle input. Advantage: Turbo.

Until I get a chance to drive this beast in it’s 13psi, 750HP configuration… tlaselva’s amazing 700hp Caravaggio Z06 still takes top honors in the (pardon my french) “HOLY ****” quotient. Especially considering it was a naturally aspirated 422ci motor turning drag radial tires and brute torque enough to stop the earth’s rotation. Rumor has it that tlaselva is twin turboing that bad-boy… Fab, stage2??

HPF kit includes:
-Plug-n-play AEM piggy-back engine management system
-Six Drop-in 750cc "high impedance" injectors (no fuel rail mods required)
-Auxiliary fuel pump w/filter that turns on at 3psi w/electronic connector
-Ceramic coated 2-Piece (CNC'd flange) exhaust manifold
-Precision T67 turbo w/.81 AR
-Tial 44mm V-band wastegate w/reroute
-Stainless steel downpipe
-Powdercoated Intake manifold designed for both dry and wet flow
-Intake manifold couplers w/clamps
-Twin HKS blow off valves
-Polished or Anodized (4" x 24" core) bar & plate intercooler
-Powdercoated aluminum intercooler piping
-Powdercoated aluminum intake piping
-4 ply silicon couplers
-T-bolt intercooler clamps
-K&N intake filter with clamp
-Steering column mounted dual pod
-AEM UEGO wide-band gauge
-AEM boost gauge
-Race fuel switch w/LED
Knock siren
-Six Denso Iridium Spark plugs
-Harnesses for fuel pump and oil pump assemblies
-Harnesses for gauges, race fuel switch, LED and knock siren
-Oil pump with mounting bracket and electronic connector
-One piece oil pump feed and return lines
-One piece turbo oil feed and one piece head to pan oil line
-Multiple vacuum lines w/quick disconnects
-AEM 3.5bar map sensor
-Boost control solenoid
-Intake air temp sensor
-Engine bay brackets
-Gaskets, bolts, studs, nuts, washers
-Fittings and block-off plates
-HPF M3 Ceramic clutch.
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e30_kid89
10-15-2007, 01:13 AM
Wow Randy great review.........I wish i coulda made it out today to see that thing in action :( Congrats again Fab on the new beast!

Furious
10-15-2007, 01:13 AM
so in other words.. its fast?

Sa///M3
10-15-2007, 01:38 AM
I was hoping you would make a thread like this!

Nice review.

Robb
10-15-2007, 01:52 AM
Ok off topic but did Fab win the lottery or did he get a big inheritance, to afford all this ?LoL
Cuz I sure as hell think that Dante Alighieri High school he went to provided him with a sub-standard education ! LoL

Crazy stuff, nonetheless.
PS: E30 M3 FTMFW :p

http://i21.tinypic.com/2qxouat.jpg

shimajer
10-15-2007, 02:00 AM
thanks for the review. sick car!

EMPOWERD
10-15-2007, 02:01 AM
Ok off topic but did Fab win the lottery or did he get a big inheritance, to afford all this ?LoL
Cuz I sure as hell think that Dante Alighieri High school he went to provided him with a sub-standard education ! LoL

Crazy stuff, nonetheless.



It's called working crazy-overtime and doing "side jobs" all summer to afford this mod. Some people on here actually have a technical trade that pays well Rob. We can't all "roll in the money" used-car salesmen make.

Jim .E.
10-15-2007, 02:07 AM
It's called working crazy-overtime and doing "side jobs" all summer to afford this mod. Some people on here actually have a technical trade that pays well Rob. We can't all "roll in the money" used-car salesmen make.

:D Randy your jokes, and nice review

Boots R
10-15-2007, 02:14 AM
Excellent review Randy.





PS: E30 M3 FTMFW :p


Uh, no.

BlitzSix
10-15-2007, 03:03 AM
thanks for the review, great read :)

330DTM
10-15-2007, 03:11 AM
I've had a very busy weekend so far with 3hrs of sleep before going to the auto-x, so at the very least Randy, I'll give you a taste of the footage. I might do a simple edit for this one, we'll see this week, enjoy!

Yeah, my camcorder doesn't like orange/red colors. Notice how they're smudged :)

greco
10-15-2007, 03:17 AM
sick review car must be fast as ****

Gamite
10-15-2007, 06:02 AM
Ok off topic but did Fab win the lottery or did he get a big inheritance, to afford all this ?LoL
Cuz I sure as hell think that Dante Alighieri High school he went to provided him with a sub-standard education ! LoL

Crazy stuff, nonetheless.
PS: E30 M3 FTMFW :p


sniff sniff? I smell jealousy? What's wrong? nothing nice to say? If E30 M3 is FTMFW, then why did you sell yours?

Meegis
10-15-2007, 08:45 AM
sniff sniff? I smell jealousy? What's wrong? nothing nice to say? If E30 M3 is FTMFW, then why did you sell yours?

Gamite puts down another fine ownage *shiner*

As for the HPF, sounds sick. Although I must say, it would be an unfair advantage if Randy ever gets his wish in trying to convince me to race Fab now.

Although, HPF VS Caravaggio sounds like a fun time :rolleyes:

AceOfSpades
10-15-2007, 08:56 AM
siiick car!! siick review!! awesome stuff!!!

StikiGreenZ
10-15-2007, 09:18 AM
Excellent review Randy... Well written, can't wait to see this beast in action!

tlaselva
10-15-2007, 10:27 AM
Congrats Fab!

It's great to see a M3 finally with some supercar power!

Your biggest concern now isn't power, but traction, so respect the power and stay safe. Also the popo's are out on a witch hunt lately, so stay descreet on the street.

Once my TT's all done, were going to have to line up for some fun! *th-up*

denisemichel
10-15-2007, 11:14 AM
Wow!

JunzieB
10-15-2007, 11:45 AM
When i grow up randy i wanna be just like you!:cool: Or better:D Great review BTW

SamE30e
10-15-2007, 12:36 PM
Car looks sick, I remember watching the video on it a couple weeks ago.

My buddy just got a racing ticket, he's serving jail time instead of a $5000 fine. What he was doing was stupid though, 170 in a 70 in the middle of nowhere.

rost12
10-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Great review and Fab's a lucky bastard *rockout*

AMG_POWER
10-15-2007, 01:09 PM
what would it run in 1/4 low/high boost? That looks like hell of a nice job!!!

Speeding wont be as fun anymore:) Its like wooosh! and you are there! I had mid 12 car and that what it was like for me at least!!!

Great review, and great car! congrats!

T.Dot_E30
10-15-2007, 01:15 PM
what would it run in 1/4 low/high boost?

There is a video of another e46 HPF turbo m3 with the same kit, that ran 11.something ( i think it was 11.9) on race gas and i believe it was on street 19'' tires too.

Edit: It was 11.66.

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Quack
10-15-2007, 01:54 PM
is that it Fab, that' isn't that much power, I have cars here in my shop that have over 600hp stock, you suck:D

tlaselva
10-15-2007, 01:54 PM
what would it run in 1/4 low/high boost? That looks like hell of a nice job!!!



A good 1/4 mile time will be difficult. At that power level, the IRS driveline becomes the weak link, and is prone to break coming off the line with any power. Remember, the drag race is won or lost in the first 60ft. I learned that the hard way when I raced a Mustang and lost to him at the strip with his 10.9@109mph to my 11.1@131mph. Even though I had over 20mph on him at the end of the quarter (almost 200 more HP), he jumped so far ahead of me off the line it took the whole 1/4 to almost catch up to him. His car was faster with almost 200 less HP only because he had a solid axle.

If 1/4 mile times are the most important aspect of building a high HP car, you'd start with a solid axle car, like a Mustang.

Now highway rolls is a different story.

BMW03
10-15-2007, 02:18 PM
sick review, with awesome and sick car. I can only dream of having/driving.

JazzM
10-15-2007, 02:18 PM
Nice review Randy. Enjoyed reading about it. FI is very tempting however I think I'll pass for the time being ;).

T.

Bliss
10-15-2007, 02:49 PM
Fab, a big congrats to you man. The car is amazing, and just stupid fast, and it was all in 1st and 2nd gear, lol.

Great review Randy!*th-up*

BMW03
10-15-2007, 03:14 PM
A good 1/4 mile time will be difficult. At that power level, the IRS driveline becomes the weak link, and is prone to break coming off the line with any power. Remember, the drag race is won or lost in the first 60ft. I learned that the hard way when I raced a Mustang and lost to him at the strip with his 10.9@109mph to my 11.1@131mph. Even though I had over 20mph on him at the end of the quarter (almost 200 more HP), he jumped so far ahead of me off the line it took the whole 1/4 to almost catch up to him. His car was faster with almost 200 less HP only because he had a solid axle.

If 1/4 mile times are the most important aspect of building a high HP car, you'd start with a solid axle car, like a Mustang.

Now highway rolls is a different story.

So true, awesome story........ mustang what? What are the specs on your car?

tlaselva
10-15-2007, 03:43 PM
So true, awesome story........ mustang what? What are the specs on your car?

The Mustang I was running was a '88 Mustang, H/C with slicks & skinnies.

I had a 447ci Aluminum LS6 N/A motor with 581rwhp with a drag radial.

Someone has a video of it with Randy violating her . . . . . :D

Sickbimmer
10-15-2007, 06:22 PM
what would it run in 1/4 low/high boost? That looks like hell of a nice job!!!

Speeding wont be as fun anymore:) Its like wooosh! and you are there! I had mid 12 car and that what it was like for me at least!!!

Great review, and great car! congrats!

One of the cars ran a 11.41@134.

Sickbimmer
10-15-2007, 06:29 PM
Congrats Fab!

It's great to see a M3 finally with some supercar power!

Your biggest concern now isn't power, but traction, so respect the power and stay safe. Also the popo's are out on a witch hunt lately, so stay descreet on the street.

Once my TT's all done, were going to have to line up for some fun! *th-up*

Can't wait to see your beast. And as far as the cops go, they'll never see me on the stretts racing. The track is where it's at*th-up*

Tank
10-15-2007, 07:36 PM
Congrats again bro!
My car arrived Sat. night @ HPF.
They are supposed to have started on it today.

Another guys car from Minnesota just arrived too, so we will both be going STG2.
I'll let you know how it is when I get the car back incase you're considering going to STG2.

Rolled_Out
10-15-2007, 09:01 PM
Fab, give me a call, we need to get your and chris's car out before the snow!
Congrats, and I want a ride :)

Sickbimmer
10-15-2007, 09:14 PM
Congrats again bro!
My car arrived Sat. night @ HPF.
They are supposed to have started on it today.

Another guys car from Minnesota just arrived too, so we will both be going STG2.
I'll let you know how it is when I get the car back incase you're considering going to STG2.

I'll be doing stage 2, I just don't know when?

Sickbimmer
10-15-2007, 09:16 PM
Fab, give me a call, we need to get your and chris's car out before the snow!
Congrats, and I want a ride :)

Anytime you movies have time for me. I wasn't sure he still had the car, Hope all is well. What was his last dyno #'s? Just so I know what gas to put in.lol.

icu
10-15-2007, 09:33 PM
WOW , What a build ,congrats Fab a truly out****ing standing machine, Kudos to Randy for a great report on this ride you did it proud, cant wait for the update. 750 hp OMG , hang on an scream ! :cool:

Rolled_Out
10-15-2007, 09:51 PM
Anytime you movies have time for me. I wasn't sure he still had the car, Hope all is well. What was his last dyno #'s? Just so I know what gas to put in.lol.

I want you to blow him away... That will make him super pissed!
He bent a rim, it's out getting fixed right now, and i think theres another problem he ran into that needs fixing before it comes out again..

and he wants a ride! LOL

Sickbimmer
10-15-2007, 10:00 PM
I want you to blow him away... That will make him super pissed!
He bent a rim, it's out getting fixed right now, and i think theres another problem he ran into that needs fixing before it comes out again..

and he wants a ride! LOL

Give me a call and we'll hook up. Maybe he should get something like a HPF stage 2 kit.lol.

330DTM
10-15-2007, 11:47 PM
Autocross video is almost ready Fab. I just did some quick simple editing and color correction to spice it up. Now it's a matter of waiting for rendering and compressing the file. My computer's slow :(

Bliss
10-16-2007, 02:29 AM
Autocross video is almost ready Fab. I just did some quick simple editing and color correction to spice it up. Now it's a matter of waiting for rendering and compressing the file. My computer's slow :(

Here's the link. Enjoy!

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96634

someguy
10-16-2007, 07:43 AM
holy shit nice car.....i can only dream of building such a beast

Romaz
10-16-2007, 08:20 AM
Nice review Randy. Wicked car Fab! All you need to do now is change ur sig from Coming soon to finally arrived!

bmwm5lover
10-16-2007, 03:37 PM
The car is simply stunning on all levels, no other way to describe it.

propr'one
10-16-2007, 05:20 PM
yeah, i dont know what to say. incredible.

Derrick
10-16-2007, 10:32 PM
Randy great read,,,,Almost made me felt like I was in the car with ya....I need to see this thing in person...Rich kid (FAB) if you are reading this congrats again...BASTARD

HPF Chris
10-17-2007, 12:14 AM
Fabio.

Car looks great and the autoX video is awesome. Your friend sure knows how to drive. I can't wait to hear what you think about the race fuel map. Just make sure ALL the pump gas is out. I usually fill two 5 gallon containers with 110 octane "leaded" then drive the car until it says it has zero miles left. Then I pull over and fill it up and turn the switch.

Tank...

Your M3 is coming along quite nicely. I took some pics today and I'll post them up tomorrow.

Take care,
Chris.

AMG_POWER
10-17-2007, 12:20 AM
if its not a secret how much was the bill for that setup?

Is there any plans for the M5 from HPF?

lvan
10-17-2007, 12:51 AM
Nice BMW.

lvan
10-17-2007, 12:52 AM
BUT



Where do you get the 110 oct fuel?

Tank
10-17-2007, 09:49 AM
Fabio.

Car looks great and the autoX video is awesome. Your friend sure knows how to drive. I can't wait to hear what you think about the race fuel map. Just make sure ALL the pump gas is out. I usually fill two 5 gallon containers with 110 octane "leaded" then drive the car until it says it has zero miles left. Then I pull over and fill it up and turn the switch.

Tank...

Your M3 is coming along quite nicely. I took some pics today and I'll post them up tomorrow.

Take care,
Chris.
Sweet!! Thanks Chris. *mw*

Quack
10-17-2007, 12:04 PM
if its not a secret how much was the bill for that setup?

Is there any plans for the M5 from HPF?

I believe the kit for the E46 M3 is around $16,500usd

I saw the car last friday & was impressed by the quality of work done.

HPF Chris
10-17-2007, 12:06 PM
if its not a secret how much was the bill for that setup?

Is there any plans for the M5 from HPF?

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/price/BMW/M3/HorsepowerFreaks/Turbos/Turbo_Kits/part/HPF_750

And yes, the E39 M5 is next. The E60 M5 will be quite some time.

kevin325
10-18-2007, 01:24 PM
siick!!!

kerisabe
10-18-2007, 07:01 PM
Nice review Randy! Congrats on the new toy Fab! Awesome stuff.

shimajer
10-19-2007, 01:45 PM
Welcome to Eurowerkz, Fab

///Maluco
10-19-2007, 01:56 PM
Great review Randy!

Fab...you're car is truely badass........