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Alezone
01-09-2003, 03:04 AM
http://www.runeb.org/www_docs/Jexoticasite/soundandvideo/Best_Motoring-SuperCar_Race.mpg

ORDINARY supercar challenge in Japan... episode N, Chinese caption :D

ROB89M3
01-09-2003, 03:35 AM
That my friend, is an amazing display of machinery !

Great video ! Thanks.

btw: that NSX-R didn't do too shabby.It was probably the second cheapest car there.....

moerom
01-09-2003, 04:53 AM
I personally enjoyed the notion that the NSX-R with 100-200hp less than the other cars on the track managed a 4th and almost 3rd if that monster Lambo hadn't eaten it on the straightaway.

Other than that, Forza Ferrari!!

They should make another video next year between the Enzo, Carrera GT, Ford GT40, Viper SRT/10, etc....

mkgino
01-09-2003, 05:08 AM
Ha, that vid was the biggest crock, how can an underpowered NSX hang with those other supercars?? Hmmm, maybe cause it was filmed in Japan or China or wherever they produce the damn car, to make it look like it could actually hang with those cars. That was the second dumbest race Ive ever seen, with the first one being that race between the Euro E36 M3 with 321hp getting blown away by the NSX, ha bullsh*t!*no-no*

moerom
01-09-2003, 05:10 AM
I guess it might have been the hometown advantage, but the NSX is light and midengined. It just walked the Lambo in the corners.

The drag racing thing I admit is pretty retarded. The F355 lost to a NSX Type S-Zero, and the 321hp E36 M3 lost as well.

However, on the track, they are excellent drivers. I have tens of these vids on my computer, one of them being F355 vs Carrera S vs Euro Spec M3 on an AutoX track!

http://www.best-motoring.co.jp

Alezone
01-09-2003, 05:27 AM
I've seen many of these videos with this group of japanese drivers, they're pretty good, esp the old guy in the NSX, he's the best of all, that maybe the reason why he ran 4th.

and that's the new NSX-R, the fastest NSX ever (i'm not a fan of NSX, i think it's ugly), so I dun doubt that it could eat the lambo in corners... while the lambo weight 2 tons... way more than the NSX.

325Ryan
01-09-2003, 06:01 AM
I heard that nsx'es are so light that they used to have a problem where they would lift right off the ground at very high speeds.


Who knows how much of that is true tho

Polish
01-09-2003, 12:21 PM
swwet ass video man, too many porsches though, no need for the 4S, coulda put in a M3 instead :)

SickFinga
01-09-2003, 08:31 PM
Sick cars.
Ferrari F50 is just impressive like it always been.
moerom , I would take F50 and F40 over Enzo anyday.

NSX is a good car even though I don't like it.
NSX will walk away from EURO M3
Too bad Gemballa was second last, it is a sick ride, just listen to it idling.
I don't think E46 M3 had any chances against all those cars.

Gamite
01-10-2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Ha, that vid was the biggest crock, how can an underpowered NSX hang with those other supercars?? Hmmm, maybe cause it was filmed in Japan or China or wherever they produce the damn car, to make it look like it could actually hang with those cars. That was the second dumbest race Ive ever seen, with the first one being that race between the Euro E36 M3 with 321hp getting blown away by the NSX, ha bullsh*t!*no-no*

Dude, I totally agree with you, its Japanese btw.. the Mercilago shoulda been pulling way more, it looks like most of the drivers werent trying.. and the Lambo driver didnt gun it till the end where he blew past the NSX.

mkgino
01-10-2003, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by SickFinga
NSX is a good car even though I don't like it.
NSX will walk away from EURO M3

Please explain:

NSX 3.2: 290hp @ 7100 rpm

3164 lbs

Euro M3 321hp with equal weight

SickFinga
01-10-2003, 03:55 PM
I can't explain really
but everywhere you check NSX is high 12sec and m3 is mid 13.

Prolly gearing and aerodyanmics is the reason

Gamite
01-10-2003, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
I can't explain really
but everywhere you check NSX is high 12sec and m3 is mid 13.

Prolly gearing and aerodyanmics is the reason

There are different kinds of NSX no? NSX-R?

Soldo
01-10-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
I can't explain really
but everywhere you check NSX is high 12sec and m3 is mid 13.

Prolly gearing and aerodyanmics is the reason

gearing MAYBE, but then if the M3 was made for higher gearing, i'm sure they didn't make the NSX for drag purposes, secondly, i don't think theres TOO much drag between the two cars espescially during a 1/4 mile!!!
that is a LOAD OF SHIT, theres NO WAY the NSX is stock!!
or they put mentaly disabled people to drive the OTHER supercars, and MONTOYA to drive the NSX, then THAT would explain a LOT!!
:moon:to the NSX!!!

Soldo
01-10-2003, 07:15 PM
alright, i just finished actually watchin the video, theres NO WAY, NO WAY MAN, i'm guessing the other cars weren't pushing it as much as the NSX for fear of damaging there cars, and also, what the hell is so special about the NSX's anyways, i think they look just like any other honda!!
DISGRACEFULL that NSX should have been DEAD LAST and at lapped AT LEAST TWICE!!!!
*uzi* :mad:

Gamite
01-10-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
alright, i just finished actually watchin the video, theres NO WAY, NO WAY MAN, i'm guessing the other cars weren't pushing it as much as the NSX for fear of damaging there cars, and also, what the hell is so special about the NSX's anyways, i think they look just like any other honda!!
DISGRACEFULL that NSX should have been DEAD LAST and at lapped AT LEAST TWICE!!!!
*uzi* :mad:

LOL!! you crack me up..

remember its a JAPANESE video, they LOVE their stuff, whether it be electronics, anime, or cars.

SickFinga
01-10-2003, 07:43 PM
stock 290 nsx vs stock 321hp m3

nsx 12.9sec
m3 13.6sec

if you compare E46 M3 vs E46 m3
Euro E46 got 343hp Euro E36 got 321hp.
E36 is 200-300 lighter. But E46 still faster, even US 333hp version

SickFinga
01-10-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
alright, i just finished actually watchin the video, theres NO WAY, NO WAY MAN, i'm guessing the other cars weren't pushing it as much as the NSX for fear of damaging there cars, and also, what the hell is so special about the NSX's anyways, i think they look just like any other honda!!
DISGRACEFULL that NSX should have been DEAD LAST and at lapped AT LEAST TWICE!!!!
*uzi* :mad:

yeah you crack me up too.
NSX doesn't look like any other honda. The reason why I don't like it, cheap looking interior and overpriced. Other than that it is a nice ride.

1BADBMW
01-10-2003, 08:21 PM
they weren't even trying man, if you look and listen closely, you can find out that the changed gears so light, they didn't push those engines not even near red line!!...and i'm sure they were afraid that they might spin out or damage the cars, oh, they should've tried Enzo...but nice vid*th-up* ...very nice:cool:

Soldo
01-11-2003, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by SickFinga
yeah you crack me up too.
NSX doesn't look like any other honda. The reason why I don't like it, cheap looking interior and overpriced. Other than that it is a nice ride.
sorry, i gonna have to play devils addvocate here, but theres NOTHING, i repeat NOTHING NICE about that RIDE(a.k.a. NSX), its pure CHEEZE, and i hate it when people give certain cars too much CREDIT, when it doesn't deserve ANY!!!!
i would like to talk to the people that would wast their money on that JUNK that honda and the japs call a "DREAM" car!!


:huh?: :huh?: :mad:

SickFinga
01-11-2003, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
sorry, i gonna have to play devils addvocate here, but theres NOTHING, i repeat NOTHING NICE about that RIDE(a.k.a. NSX), its pure CHEEZE, and i hate it when people give certain cars too much CREDIT, when it doesn't deserve ANY!!!!
i would like to talk to the people that would wast their money on that JUNK that honda and the japs call a "DREAM" car!!


:huh?: :huh?: :mad:


Yeah??? ok explain why YOUR car deserve any respect?

Soldo
01-11-2003, 08:31 PM
HUH, i NEVER said my car deserves ANY respect, the only respect that my car gets is from ME, and thats all that matter, quite frankly i don't care WHAT people think of my car, cause i'll ALWAYS love it, i'm just sayin, i hate hearin people talk about a car(cough, cough NSX), like its the fastest production car in existance, when clearly MY car is!!
LOL
anyways, i'm just naturally bitter about those japanesse super cars!!
;) :D

SickFinga
01-11-2003, 08:56 PM
I'm a born jap hater, but I can admit that NSX, WRX, Skyline, Supra, 350z are great cars

Soldo
01-11-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
I'm a born jap hater, but I can admit that NSX, WRX, Skyline, Supra, 350z are great cars
UH OH, here comes the ADDVOCATE again,
i dissagree, the OLDER ones are ALL better, i like the OLD 2.5rs subarus', i like ALL SKYLINES,(fine, i'll give you THAT MUCH), the supra, kinda played out cause of that dumb GINO kids movie, whats it called again?!?!
lol, and i like the 300zx better than the 350z!!!
the japs are loosing there touch on those "ONCE USED TO BE" nice sports cars!!
we should start our own JAP CAR HATTER FORUM, how about it?!?!
LOL
*no-no*

SickFinga
01-11-2003, 09:44 PM
once again no one cares what YOU like, we are talking overall quality, performance of the car.
Like I said I DO NOT like NSX, but it is a great car overall.

Soldo
01-11-2003, 09:45 PM
BUT ITS NOT a great car overall,
HEHEHE, we should just start a war over this!!!!

SickFinga
01-11-2003, 10:03 PM
let not start a war lets discuss it and prove our points.

In the video car took 4th place. It took over lambo on the corners, but lambo was killing it on the staights.


First place was taken by FERRARI F50, second GT2, then lambo.
It won to Gemballa and 4S. Don't you think it is pretty good?

M3_Styles
01-11-2003, 11:43 PM
this video is bull, i dont care wat ppl say.
the lambo wasnt guning it. c how they made the nsx look so good, passing the lambo on the outside?!?!? lol it cracks me up.
whether they werent guning it becuse theyre scared of ruining a car worth hundreds of thousands or if they wanted to make the nsx look good or both, not all those cars were being pushed to thier limits like the nsx was.
cool video tho

Soldo
01-12-2003, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
let not start a war lets discuss it and prove our points.

In the video car took 4th place. It took over lambo on the corners, but lambo was killing it on the staights.


First place was taken by FERRARI F50, second GT2, then lambo.
It won to Gemballa and 4S. Don't you think it is pretty good?

i dunno if i wanna even start this one, CLEARLY the GEMBALLA wasn't pushing it, does it make ANY sense to any serious racer, wheather you think POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO, or just HANDLING, the GEMBALLA is a LOT better than any NSX!!!
i'm i right here people, who else can agree with me on this?!
:)

PrinceE30
01-15-2003, 01:51 AM
It's an NSX Type-R. 290HP....also....

NSX-R Gearing

4.23:1
2.53:1
1.67:1
1.23:1
1.00:1
0.83:1

Final : 4.62:1

2003 M3 Gearing

3.07:1
1.96:1
1.43:1
1.12:1
0.91:1
0.72:1

Final : 3.64:1

Faster Gearing goes to the NSX.

M3 does have slightly larger breaks and tires. The NSX does have the aerodynamic advantage as well as a lower and more centered weight distribution. The NSR Type-R also has the overall weight advantage at a little over 2800lbs. My opinion is that this is completely possible for the NSX to do that well.

-Prince

Soldo
01-15-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by PrinceE30
It's an NSX Type-R. 290HP....also....

NSX-R Gearing

4.23:1
2.53:1
1.67:1
1.23:1
1.00:1
0.83:1

Final : 4.62:1

2003 M3 Gearing

3.07:1
1.96:1
1.43:1
1.12:1
0.91:1
0.72:1

Final : 3.64:1

Faster Gearing goes to the NSX.

M3 does have slightly larger breaks and tires. The NSX does have the aerodynamic advantage as well as a lower and more centered weight distribution. The NSR Type-R also has the overall weight advantage at a little over 2800lbs. My opinion is that this is completely possible for the NSX to do that well.

-Prince

who said anything about an M3?!?
were talking about the GEMBALLA losing to a NSX, does anyone have the gearing for THAT porsche?!?!
secondly, i think the M3 has a close to 50/50 weight distribution NO?!?!
whats the NSX's?!?!
just wondering, i have a hard time believng this race, why didn't the just put a CIVIC DX iin it, and there would STILL be some people that would think that a shitty car like THAT could compete!!!

Alezone
01-15-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Gamite
Dude, I totally agree with you, its Japanese btw.. the Mercilago shoulda been pulling way more, it looks like most of the drivers werent trying.. and the Lambo driver didnt gun it till the end where he blew past the NSX.

oops~ I missed the whole 2nd page... anyways, Gamite u're rite, they're NOT trying...~ if they trashed any one of those cars they're DONE!!! so they were "just trying".... i guess?

Usic
01-15-2003, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by mkgino
Please explain:

NSX 3.2: 290hp @ 7100 rpm

3164 lbs

Euro M3 321hp with equal weight


In Japan your not supposed have more than 280 hp thats the law.
If you look at factory hp specs for rx-7, supra, GT-R they're all at 280hp.

nsx-r's run 12.805 1/4 times
Sorry there chap the NSX-R weighs 1270kgs thats like 2032lbs!!!!
3177cc V6 DOHC VTEC
280ps @ 7300rpm
I think you got the nsx north american specs, the like the heavey ass nsx-t (targa)

you know the motor sits in the middle...the cars a rear wheel drive.
Didn't you ever look at 1/4 and 0-60 times on naturally aspirated porsches and scratch your head? They pull off some really fast times even if they are N/A. Look where the motor sits behind the rear wheels.

The NSX makes 500hp from 3.2litres in the A-spec touring races.
did you just read those numbers????
500hp from 3.2L!!!!!

Usic
01-15-2003, 12:39 PM
But still I don't understand how the Gemballa gt 500 thats 500hp kiddies, lost to the NSX-R

I think the driver of the Gemballa was scared shitless.
most of the press I've read about on the Gemballa's the general impression was it scares the shit out of people.
Especially the GT750!!!

PrinceE30
01-15-2003, 09:41 PM
In Japan your not supposed have more than 280 hp thats the law.

It's the gentleman's agreement that the Japanese car makers put upon themselves not to go over 280. However, the Type-R isn't a standard street car as the Supra or Skyline are...it's meant as more of a mix track/street car. The Regular NSX, as you know, only has 280HP.

-Prince

mkgino
01-15-2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Usic
In Japan your not supposed have more than 280 hp thats the law.
If you look at factory hp specs for rx-7, supra, GT-R they're all at 280hp.

nsx-r's run 12.805 1/4 times
Sorry there chap the NSX-R weighs 1270kgs thats like 2032lbs!!!!
3177cc V6 DOHC VTEC
280ps @ 7300rpm
I think you got the nsx north american specs, the like the heavey ass nsx-t (targa)

you know the motor sits in the middle...the cars a rear wheel drive.
Didn't you ever look at 1/4 and 0-60 times on naturally aspirated porsches and scratch your head? They pull off some really fast times even if they are N/A. Look where the motor sits behind the rear wheels.

The NSX makes 500hp from 3.2litres in the A-spec touring races.
did you just read those numbers????
500hp from 3.2L!!!!!

Jolly o, cheerio chap, sorry about that. I just got the north american specs cause I assumed the cars were the same. In any case I was asking why the NSX was faster than the E36 euro M3, not disrespecting it.

Doesnt BMW make 700hp from a N/A 1.6 L engine in F1 (correct me if Im wrong, but Im probably not that far off)

BLIMEY!

PrinceE30
01-15-2003, 11:03 PM
Old school F1 cars using 1.6L Turbocharged engines (pushing 96PSI) got around 1200HP.

Current F1 cars are 10-cylinder, 3.0L, NA engines that produce between 600HP and 800HP.

-Prince

bmw318i
01-16-2003, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
who said anything about an M3?!?
were talking about the GEMBALLA losing to a NSX, does anyone have the gearing for THAT porsche?!?!
secondly, i think the M3 has a close to 50/50 weight distribution NO?!?!
whats the NSX's?!?!
just wondering, i have a hard time believng this race, why didn't the just put a CIVIC DX iin it, and there would STILL be some people that would think that a shitty car like THAT could compete!!!

I dont know if noticed but all the cars were faster then NSX-R in the straights its the coners it passed the lambo and stayed in front of the gemballa have you ever tried putting the power down in a car with that much HP and TQ? The NSX-R handles the best out of those cars in the coners but doesnt ahve the power in the straights.

bmw318i
01-16-2003, 12:10 AM
by the way if anybody would like to race my nsx? come and try it, all come down to toronto just for u guys

mkgino
01-16-2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by bmw318i
by the way if anybody would like to race my nsx? come and try it, all come down to toronto just for u guys

Dude, no one is dogging the NSX, I think its a great car, probably the best honda/acura ever produced. But it's a little hard to believe, how well it did in that race with cars with twice to almost three times its power! I think the NSX is a sick car (a little overpriced) but a sick car nonetheless.

Soldo
01-16-2003, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Dude, no one is dogging the NSX, I think its a great car, probably the best honda/acura ever produced. But it's a little hard to believe, how well it did in that race with cars with twice to almost three times its power! I think the NSX is a sick car (a little overpriced) but a sick car nonetheless.

hey MK GINO, don't kid yourself, lets not say "NO ONE, is DOGGING the NSX" cause thats EXACTLY what i'm doing!!!!
:D :D
but anyways, the GEMBALLA does not hve TOO MUCH power on the turns, cause they know how to keep that power TO THE GROUND, so it should STILL have beaten the NSX, look, if we were to conduct THE SAME RACE, with ACTUALL drivers, you'd see that the NSX would end up dead last, AND laped a few times, AS IT SHOULD BE!!!!

GR8 Ride
01-16-2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Dude, no one is dogging the NSX, I think its a great car, probably the best honda/acura ever produced. But it's a little hard to believe, how well it did in that race with cars with twice to almost three times its power! I think the NSX is a sick car (a little overpriced) but a sick car nonetheless.

Once again, somebody who's NEVER BEEN TO THE RACE TRACK is trying to figure out why a car with minimal HP can beat the so called *exotics*.

Let's see...my 172 HP 325is will run laps around an E46 M3 even at a track like Mosport.... Sure, I'll lose on the back straight, but by the time he gets to turn 10, I'm back on his bumper again, and will pass him in turn 1.


Just like the NSX in that video. Lambo's suck on the race course...they are a Boulevard cruising car for old guys dependent upon Viagra. NOBODY races a Lambo in any modern race series...for the simple reason is that they are NOT a good race car. Wouldn't take one if somebody offered it to me.

Doesn't matter how much HP you have...HP is one of the final factors in making a car quick on the race track. The Lambo weighs in at more than 4000 lbs. MASS is the enemy on the race track...takes more brakes to slow down 4000 lbs, you can't corner as fast with 4000 lbs and you can't accelerate as fast with 4000 lbs.

As well, all the HP in the world can't do you any good if you can't use it all. In a corner, the guy who wins is the one who can put the power down and accelerate through the corner and out the other side. With too much power, it's easy to break the rear wheels loose and lose the back end in a corner. Then you're f**ked....


Quit focussing on HP in a race guys...so much more is required to be quick on the race track.


Pat

Soldo
01-16-2003, 06:16 PM
im aware of all these factors, and i've been to a track myself, so i know its not ONLY about POWER, and i'm not talking about the lambo, but rather the porsche, you see, a porsche has EVERYTHING better than an NSX, look, its LIGHTER, MORE POWER, it also has an AWD (thats iff its a turbo model, or like the 4s), and it has more power, not only that, but porsches are pretty much BREAD on a race track, thats what their made for!!!!
so NOW, can someone PLEASE give me a GOOD answer to why the PORSCHE LOST?!??!?!?!?!

:confused: :confused:

GR8 Ride
01-16-2003, 08:43 PM
The Porsche isn't necessarily a better race car than the NSX....

In the Speed World GT car class, an Audi A4 won, and not the numerous Porsches that were entered. While Porsche does have a great racing history, it's not an automatic win as far as a car goes.

The NSX is a far better balanced chassis than the Porsche; it's not as tail happy, and responds to early throttle input better. As well, it's a LOT more forgiving of driver error than the Porsche is.

Also, as HP is upped on the Porsche's, the driveability tends to drop...it's much harder to put the power down mid corner. Too much power, and the rear end breaks loose. Too little power, and the weight transfer to the front end causes the rear end to break loose. The NSX is far more capable of high speed cornering than the Porsche is...

It's the same thing that happened to the BMW M3 GTR vs Porsche in the ALMS in 2001. The M3 could corner so much quicker, in spite of the Porsche having significantly more HP, and about a 20 MPH advantage in top end speed.

It's easy to see that Porsche not winning...especially on that track.


Pat

mpower1226
01-16-2003, 11:42 PM
Pat has spoken. case closed

mpower1226
01-16-2003, 11:49 PM
Pat has spoken. case closed

mpower1226
01-17-2003, 12:02 AM
The old guy in the NSX, He is one of the veteren driver in japan.
I've seen him eating up R34 Skyline in oldoldoldold
toyota corolla(AE86). simply amazing skill.(the driver in skyline sucked big time though)

Usic
01-17-2003, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
im aware of all these factors, and i've been to a track myself, so i know its not ONLY about POWER, and i'm not talking about the lambo, but rather the porsche, you see, a porsche has EVERYTHING better than an NSX, look, its LIGHTER, MORE POWER, it also has an AWD (thats iff its a turbo model, or like the 4s), and it has more power, not only that, but porsches are pretty much BREAD on a race track, thats what their made for!!!!
so NOW, can someone PLEASE give me a GOOD answer to why the PORSCHE LOST?!??!?!?!?!

:confused: :confused:


Turbo Porsches are 3670lbs.
Granted it is a tuner version in the video, if the Gemballa boys did shave some weight off it couldn't have been very drastic short of ripping out the awd system which should net you around 200lbs.
areount 50lbs for the ac system, 40 pounds for the sound absorbant, and give or take 100lbs for the stock seats and various carbon goodies bolted to the car. that still makes the Turbo prosche 3280lbs vs the NSX-R's ridiculous 2032lbs!!!!!!

Gemballas retain all of the orginal options, plus I believe they get the roll cage as well. More or less like the Ruf porsches.

The NSX-R
comes with no ac or radio. All of the go -fast-bits have been lightned. Most of the car is aluminum. The seats are carbon/kevlar recaros, the carpet is really thin with light sound absorbtion materials. The hood, spoiler, rear diffuser/venturi and other cosmetic bits are carbon fiber!!!!! (this is a street car?)
The engineers at honda went all out to make the NSX-R competitive with other exotics.

bmw318i
01-17-2003, 04:41 PM
soo anybody wanna race

Soldo
01-17-2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by bmw318i
soo anybody wanna race
i'll RACE!!!
:cool: :cool:

kay, so who would believe THIS statement,
an MR2 would beat a E46 M3!!!
(the older MR2's with turbos!!)!!!

i disagree, even though its lighter, the M3 has better handling, and a lot more power!!!!

Soldo
01-17-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by mpower1226
The old guy in the NSX, He is one of the veteren driver in japan.
I've seen him eating up R34 Skyline in oldoldoldold
toyota corolla(AE86). simply amazing skill.(the driver in skyline sucked big time though)
i've think i seen that too, but it was a DRIFT competition, and those RWD AE86's are AMAZING for drifting, and if the dude in the NSX really is the DRIFT KING, doesn't make a BIG difference!!!

bmw318i
01-18-2003, 05:06 AM
my nsx against ure 325? wow that will be cloose:confused:

Soldo
01-18-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by bmw318i
my nsx against ure 325? wow that will be cloose:confused:
it will be close, since i have tuned suspension, even though you have more power, it doesn't matter, i'll pull outta the turns quicker, but you'll get em on the straight!!

(hmmmmm, why does this convo sound familiar, a weaker, LESS EXPENSIVE sprots car being able to take a more powerful exotic?!?!?! deja vu!!!)!!!
:D

mkgino
01-18-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
it will be close, since i have tuned suspension, even though you have more power, it doesn't matter, i'll pull outta the turns quicker, but you'll get em on the straight!!

(hmmmmm, why does this convo sound familiar, a weaker, LESS EXPENSIVE sprots car being able to take a more powerful exotic?!?!?! deja vu!!!)!!!
:D

OHHH BURN, damn that was a major burn!

bmw318i
01-18-2003, 07:42 PM
wow u guys are smart

Soldo
01-18-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by bmw318i
wow u guys are smart

well, i take after some of the people on this board!!!!( the ones who think the NSX deserved the position it got!!)!!!

:D :D

Usic
01-19-2003, 01:16 PM
ok lets do it...

Soldo
01-20-2003, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Usic
ok lets do it...
whoa whoa whoa, WHOA, i wanted to race the NSX, but YOU, i dunno, your car is just plain CRAZY!!
if i was an M5 and i pulled up next to your car i would TREMBLE!!!!



but what the HELL,
lets do it!!!!
care to make it INTERESTING?!?!
:cool:

Usic
01-20-2003, 10:39 AM
Thats jokes,
I think we should have a maxbimmer invades cayuga day!!

Soldo
01-20-2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Usic
Thats jokes,
I think we should have a maxbimmer invades cayuga day!!
that actually wouldn't be a bad idea!!

bmw318i
01-21-2003, 12:25 AM
all race a m5. i ran my car at 12.89 , m5 runs low 13s it would be a very good race

Soldo
01-21-2003, 01:32 AM
but really, just outta curiousity how many would be interested in getting together and going to a track, also, the NEXT question is, would you all perfere a ROAD COURSE, or a 1/4 MILE COURS (for those who like to talk shit!!!)?!?!?!

moerom
01-21-2003, 01:36 AM
If we are going to Cayuga, I am there 100%!!!!
We tried three times in the fall but it rained all three times :(
A few guys made it up though, and there is video of their respective runs....

1/4 mile all the way

Road course has too many implications and much preparation...

Soldo
01-21-2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by moerom
If we are going to Cayuga, I am there 100%!!!!
We tried three times in the fall but it rained all three times :(
A few guys made it up though, and there is video of their respective runs....

1/4 mile all the way

Road course has too many implications and much preparation...
not even man, i'd MUCH rather do road course, but i see where YOUR comin from, since you truck was made more on the side of the 1/4 mile as opposed to a road course, but anyone else!?!

Cristian330Ci
01-21-2003, 12:05 PM
Afterall I love the way the NSX oversteers!!!




They should have added an '02 M5....:cool:

Jon@Bimmersport
01-21-2003, 07:02 PM
hey..pat, if u said a light weight car will generally handle better than a heavier car...if you took an S2000 and E36 M3 which would win? since they are equally fast in straight line speeds..what about cornering? i heard the S2000 handles like a go cart! hehe

dtthiaga
01-22-2003, 01:53 AM
It's definitely a unique car, but the design is getting very very old. The 2004 NSX should be interesting. I've heard numbers around 350-400 HP. It depends if they do the 3.6L V6 or the 4.0 V8. Still mid engine, rear wheel drive. It should be a good combination.

But letís face it, even if you donít like the style, it was/is a great car. BMW didnít have VANOS until 1992 in the M50 engine for the 5 Series. The fact the Acura had the variable valve lift in 1990-1991 is quite impressive (NSX). Furthermore, the 92 or 93 Integra had the variable valve in the GS-R model. You have to give the NSX respect for what it can do. It definitely stands out. The only problem is, the design/technology is too old now. It should be updated!!!

To each is own. It took me a long time to decide if I wanted another BMW. I questioned their reliability, and still do (The alternator on my 2002 is making a grinding noise). I wonít own a BMW unless it under full warranty (bumper to bumper).

I think BMW are great cars, but certainly not the best. I get spanked everyday with my buddies CL Types S manual, and it costs the same as my car (and has way more features).

The NSX is definitely a track car. Itís a point and shoot kind of vehicle. I would love to drive one....

Just to compareÖ.

1997 1997
Acura BMW
NSX-T M3
6-speed 5-speed Manual
175 mph 153 mph (Top Speed)

0-30 mph 2.10 s 1.90 s
0-40 mph 2.80 s 3.20 s
0-50 mph 4.10 s 4.20 s
0-60 mph 5.20 s 5.50 s
0-70 mph 6.40 s 7.50 s
0-80 mph 8.40 s 9.30 s
0-90 mph 10.10 s 11.50 s
0-100 mph 12.00 s 14.70 s

Indianapolis Motor Speedway
1:25.6 1:27.4 (1st Lap)
1:18.4 1:20.0 (2nd Lap)

GR8 Ride
01-22-2003, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by E46_lover
hey..pat, if u said a light weight car will generally handle better than a heavier car...if you took an S2000 and E36 M3 which would win? since they are equally fast in straight line speeds..what about cornering? i heard the S2000 handles like a go cart! hehe

Well, what I said was mass is the enemy on a race track. So many other factors are involved in making a car handle well on the track (suspension design, chassis design and flex et al) that one can't just look at two cars and automatically say one is better than another.

The E36 M3 has greater amounts of torque, and a stiffer chassis (having a roof and all...). The S2000 has a narrow powerband, basically from 6500-8500 RPM. Gearing will have a lot to do with how well each car does at the track.

With equal drivers, the M3 *should* be quicker, particularly on a tight, technical track (like Cayuga).

At Mosport, it might be a different story, as the S2000 may be able to maintain enough cornering speed to level the playing field. Not having driven an S2000, I can't tell you what they are like though. I have yet to see a really quick S2000 at the track, as we simply don't get many of them out.


Pat

Jon@Bimmersport
01-22-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by GR8 Ride
Well, what I said was mass is the enemy on a race track. So many other factors are involved in making a car handle well on the track (suspension design, chassis design and flex et al) that one can't just look at two cars and automatically say one is better than another.

The E36 M3 has greater amounts of torque, and a stiffer chassis (having a roof and all...). The S2000 has a narrow powerband, basically from 6500-8500 RPM. Gearing will have a lot to do with how well each car does at the track.

With equal drivers, the M3 *should* be quicker, particularly on a tight, technical track (like Cayuga).

At Mosport, it might be a different story, as the S2000 may be able to maintain enough cornering speed to level the playing field. Not having driven an S2000, I can't tell you what they are like though. I have yet to see a really quick S2000 at the track, as we simply don't get many of them out.


Pat

in the video that was posted..it was an in car cam..i saw E46 M3s past the car, the S2000 came in 2nd or something and a mustang 5.0L which i saw at mosport came in 1st (i forgot his name...), where there any E36 M3's on the track during that day?

GR8 Ride
01-22-2003, 09:48 AM
What video was that? Send me a link, or the video itself.


Pat