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Michel
07-16-2007, 12:19 PM
I might be running my brothers car next friday at cayuga and I'm wondering what kind of times I might be able to run?

His cars got a Dinan CAI, Stage 2 Dinan Software, and Eisenmann Race catback ('02 330ci). It's also got some eisenmann stickers and maxbimmer and bimemrsport, not sure how much those will help with the times :D

Anyways, anyone with a similar set ever run? Is anyone else going up friday night?

///tyron
07-16-2007, 01:01 PM
The 01' runs a 14.8 stock. I'd say a 14.6-14.7. Good luck next friday!

Michel
07-16-2007, 02:00 PM
^ lol thanks! but what about all these times I see for ZHP's? they re only 235 hp and I've seen C&D times of 14.1-14.2 and 0-60 in 5.5ish, is that accurate?

StikiGreenZ
07-17-2007, 08:53 AM
The ZHP's have different gear ratios since they are all 6-speeds, might be the reason why they run better times on the track. My best time last year in a stock 2002 330 with a slipping clutch and balding tires was 14.9 sec. @ ??? mph.

330ci05
07-17-2007, 10:21 AM
I might be running my brothers car next friday at cayuga and I'm wondering what kind of times I might be able to run?

His cars got a Dinan CAI, Stage 2 Dinan Software, and Eisenmann Race catback ('02 330ci). It's also got some eisenmann stickers and maxbimmer and bimemrsport, not sure how much those will help with the times :D

Anyways, anyone with a similar set ever run? Is anyone else going up friday night?


what car are you running?

i want to go there soon too :D

Michel
07-17-2007, 10:29 AM
I'm running my bro's '02 330ci M package. come this friday! Pm me your number if you want, my friends and I are gonna cruise all up together, it would be nice to have more bimmers and less K20 civics for a change :D..

330ci05
07-17-2007, 10:58 AM
I'm running my bro's '02 330ci M package. come this friday! Pm me your number if you want, my friends and I are gonna cruise all up together, it would be nice to have more bimmers and less K20 civics for a change :D..


ohhh i was thinking you goin to line up with your car vs your bro's 330...... i dont think i could make it this friday,, i need to do an oil change and clean the CAI filter, lol to max my output hehehe.... goodluck tho, can't wait to see what you ran!

Michel
07-17-2007, 11:34 AM
^ hmm, maybe I should do that too... He's got a Dinan CAI, is there a special way of cleaning it?

330ci05
07-17-2007, 02:23 PM
^ hmm, maybe I should do that too... He's got a Dinan CAI, is there a special way of cleaning it?

if he doesnt change it, then just air compressor and just blow out all the dust and all...... or you can do that and leave it in water then let blow at it again then when it's drive apply some oil(the K&N one), make sure u add small amount... then let it dry and put it back on.... if you put too much oil it will **** up ur MAF...... i just blow out the dust and then i change it later on...

Michel
07-17-2007, 02:30 PM
Awesome thanks, I think I'll just air compressor it clean for now.. I hope I can run like 14.5-14.6! I'm not feeling too promised tho :(

330ci05
07-17-2007, 02:48 PM
^^^ goodluck man!!!! if u got time take out the spare tire and rear seats hehehe....

Romaz
07-17-2007, 06:40 PM
Hey Mike whats up? I cant belive ur bro is actuall letting u touch his car :huh?: . What time are u guys going on friday? How far of a drive is it and how much does it cost?

Michel
07-17-2007, 10:18 PM
hey Roman! Come! its about 45-1 hour drive from my place, I think we're going at around 7 ish but I can let u know if you wanna come. As for the cost, I believe its like 20$ for 3 runs or something??

lol yea my bro lets me drive it all the time, he says I drive it better than him :S which is why he wants me to run it hahaha... watever, watch me stall infront of everyone.

sparco_typer
07-17-2007, 10:34 PM
damn thats all a 330ci runs my old type r ran 14.8 with vtech cutting out and snow tires although there were michelin pilot sports i thought they woudl be faster

Michel
07-17-2007, 11:25 PM
yea i know eh, we'll see on friday anyways, but I've read a lot of the ZHP's running in low 14's, I guess that 1 extra gear is pretty significant!

Zim Zimma
07-18-2007, 08:57 AM
its not the extra gear...its the final drive ratio. Regular 330's have a 2.91 final gear ratio. The ZHP has a 3.07 if im correct. shorting gearing.

Times will all come down to driver... Unless your a very skilled driver/ have a lot of experience launching the car properly your unlikely to get times anywhere near the low 14's. So if its your first time going dont be dissapointed if you dont get great times. Practice makes perfect.

Weather Conditions will also make a big difference.

Romaz
07-18-2007, 10:47 AM
hey Roman! Come! its about 45-1 hour drive from my place, I think we're going at around 7 ish but I can let u know if you wanna come. As for the cost, I believe its like 20$ for 3 runs or something??

lol yea my bro lets me drive it all the time, he says I drive it better than him :S which is why he wants me to run it hahaha... watever, watch me stall infront of everyone.


Sound good buddy, I think that I would be able to make it out if I ditch work alittle early :D send me the details. Is ur bro going? I wonder what my cabrio will run... High 20's maybe :eek:

Boots R
07-18-2007, 10:52 AM
$20 bucks to run an unlimited amount of runs all night.

$10 bucks to spectate. (passengers, drivers not wanting to race, etc)

Good luck. *th-up*

JNSchnitzer
07-18-2007, 10:58 AM
Sound good buddy, I think that I would be able to make it out if I ditch work alittle early :D send me the details. Is ur bro going? I wonder what my cabrio will run... High 20's maybe :eek:

lool, good to hear from you Roman. Sorry man I can't make it out with my brother this Friday as I'm going camping. Maybe another time, possibly next major meet? Okay bro, I'll catch you later *wave*

330ci05
07-21-2007, 08:59 PM
u guys end up goin?

Boots R
07-22-2007, 04:23 AM
Yeah they did. I spotted Michel and Romaz both at the track. Stopped and chatted with them for a bit. Can't remember what they ran though.

330ci05
07-22-2007, 10:53 AM
^^^ nice....did u run too??? hope it's a good run :)

Boots R
07-22-2007, 04:47 PM
^^^ nice....did u run too??? hope it's a good run :)
I don't wanna talk about it. :(

Sa///M3
07-22-2007, 04:55 PM
I don't wanna talk about it. :(
What'd you run?:P

Boots R
07-22-2007, 05:43 PM
What'd you run?:P
15.6 :(

[insert excuse here]

330ci05
07-22-2007, 07:02 PM
15.6 :(

[insert excuse here]


hmmmm... whaat kinda car?? mods?

Boots R
07-22-2007, 07:15 PM
hmmmm... whaat kinda car?? mods?
92 325 non vanos with a 3.91 open diff, genie cat-back, and an intake.

Michel
07-22-2007, 08:15 PM
My first run I did 15.2 but I had someone in the car and it was the first time I've ever ran on the track! hahah but I took Zim Zimma's advice and didn't get disapointed. My second run I ran 17 something cus the cllutch slipped (car needs a clutch) so before my last run I let the car cool for 40 minutes or so and ran 14.7 at 95 or 96mph. My launch wasn't great either cus I was worried it would slip. Hopefully when my bro get's a good clutch setup we can go again.

Anyways it was SO fun! it was also nice to have met a couple of Max guys there.

Romaz
07-23-2007, 01:01 AM
Lol my best run was 15.8 only .2 behind boots :P . My worst run was 22 :huh?: clutch was too hot and started slipping straight off the launch. Barely made it to the end of the track *mumble*

Check out my Reaction time *rockout*

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6001/158runld0.jpg

I'll post some pix once I get around to it *sleep*

E46er
07-23-2007, 06:14 AM
Did any other E46's run?

330ci05
07-23-2007, 07:15 AM
Lol my best run was 15.8 only .2 behind boots :P . My worst run was 22 :huh?: clutch was too hot and started slipping straight off the launch. Barely made it to the end of the track *mumble*

Check out my Reaction time *rockout*

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6001/158runld0.jpg

I'll post some pix once I get around to it *sleep*

lol reaction time is good, but your 60' needs work *wave* :D

Michel
07-23-2007, 08:12 AM
yea my 60' was 2.388 for my 14.7 run. A friend of mine was saying that if I bring the 60' down to about 2.0 i should be runnning about 14.3? is that correct?

Romaz
07-23-2007, 08:37 AM
lol reaction time is good, but your 60' needs work *wave* :D

Yeah and lots of it :D :D :D

thinair
07-23-2007, 12:15 PM
I thought a 330 would definately be faster than that. That's pretty tall gearing for a 6spd.

330ci05
07-23-2007, 12:28 PM
I thought a 330 would definately be faster than that. That's pretty tall gearing for a 6spd.


yeah the gears are really tall.... 2.93*thmbsdwn*

StikiGreenZ
07-23-2007, 12:53 PM
Probly need some practice... I ran at 14.9 last fall with balding tires and slipping clutch.

Hawaii
07-23-2007, 01:27 PM
with times like that(my 330 is no faster) i dont get why people on this site rip on hondas(ones with k20 swaps no less) so much. frankly half the cars on this site would get destroyed by a k20 swap

Michel
07-23-2007, 01:35 PM
^ I agree, a close friend of mine has a Ek hatch with a K20 swap, he's getting his clutch done and is expecting to run high 12's within the next couple of weeks. Straight line speed is all about how big your wallet is. It's not that hard to get used to launching the car (i.e I ran 14.7 with a slipping clutch and absolutly NO experience, in a car that I barely drive), but I think what requires more skill is auto-x and competitions where you do more than just go straight! and that's what bimmers are made for... just my opinion.

Boots R
07-23-2007, 01:38 PM
with times like that(my 330 is no faster) i dont get why people on this site rip on hondas(ones with k20 swaps no less) so much. frankly half the cars on this site would get destroyed by a k20 swap

RWD > FWD.

end of story.

Michel
07-23-2007, 01:40 PM
^ You are very wise my friend.

Zim Zimma
07-23-2007, 01:40 PM
Straight lines are for fast cars...corners are for fast drivers. <- quote is from someone on this board but I cannot remember who.

Youll have infinite more fun at a track day such as mosport or calabogie.

Ive done mosport once this summer and calabogie twice so far. Hoping to get in 3-4 more track days by end of season. Quarter miles dont interest me. But everyone has there preference. Obviously the track driving is alot more coin but well worth it in my opinion.

Hawaii
07-23-2007, 01:44 PM
RWD>FWD, i agree. but what does that say for your car, or my car when a FWD civic absolutely destroys it on the 1/4 track, the auto-x track, the street course and every other place other than a highway. my 330i is faster on the highway than my old integra(not by much, only cause of top speed really) and its not as fun to drive as my integra. thats my honest opinion, and we can talk about FWD vs RWD all day, the fact is this is not F1 or any pro series, this is your local auto x events and cayuga track events. in which case these hondas are fast. i think some of you guys should come out to a shannonville track day and put your cars to test against these hondas and see what really happens, im talkin M's included!

328IScreamer
07-23-2007, 01:45 PM
hey michel did you or joe ever run the 328 on the track? is so what was the time i'm really curious!

Michel
07-23-2007, 01:51 PM
Hey, nah we didn't apparently they run like 14.7 1/4 mile... I think Thinair runs like 14.0 or something with his (with bolt-on mods), if im not mistaking?? you should try it out sometime!

as for the whole honda thing, I was going to buy an EG hatch last week but my mom didnt let me:( so im all for that as well but I would rather save up and get an e30 M3 after school, and if I tune that just as much as those hodna guys tune their cars, I can run just as well on the 1/4 mile and, with experience, smoke them on the track...

Zim Zimma
07-23-2007, 02:00 PM
Hawaii, your talking about a modified car vs. a stock car so obviously a modified car is going to be a better all round car.

StikiGreenZ
07-23-2007, 02:03 PM
RWD>FWD, i agree. but what does that say for your car, or my car when a FWD civic absolutely destroys it on the 1/4 track, the auto-x track, the street course and every other place other than a highway.

I'd love to see a stock honda do that to my 330... If you're talking about a modded civic, thats not really fair now is it... cause u can mod a 330i and make it faster too... and I'd bet it'd be a lot more reliable and comfortable/refined...

Hawaii
07-24-2007, 02:32 AM
true, a modified car will always be faster, but even a stock Si would give a 330 a run for its money, in the quarter and on the track, but my point was that these cars are fast on the track and cant be overlooked, even when comparing a civic hatch back with a swap to an E30 or E36 with M swap.

StikiGreenZ
07-24-2007, 08:41 AM
Excuse me? haha..... A stock SI would give a 330 a run for its money on a track? Say when, I'm there. No way a stock SI will keep up in the corners against a 330.

Here's some numbers for you from http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

2002 Honda Civic Si 7.6 15.8 (R&T July '02)
2001 BMW 330i 6.1 14.8

Very comparable numbers :huh?:

Not to mention the BMW will handle way more punishment than the Civic. Not meaning to hate on the Civic, my sister drives a 1.7EL, its a nice car for its purpose... just be careful with the comparisons you make.

Romaz
07-24-2007, 06:49 PM
Here ya go :moon:

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Romaz
07-24-2007, 06:50 PM
More *love*

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Boots R
07-24-2007, 07:10 PM
That viper sounded like sex.

Not a throaty growl, but a tuned exotic sound.

Hawaii
07-24-2007, 08:04 PM
15.8 is a pretty slow time for that car, ive heard of times around 15.1, which does make it comparable, but i guess the only way to figure this out is too actually take it to the track, the problem is i dont have an Si, but i do have a 330i, and im not talkin 1/4 track

Romaz
07-24-2007, 10:22 PM
That viper sounded like sex.

Not a throaty growl, but a tuned exotic sound.


Ya that viper was insane! Pretty much all the Hondas there sounded like weed whackers :D

Michel
07-24-2007, 10:28 PM
lol nice pics Roman!! so much better than my camera, all my pics came out so dark. Hawaii, the 330's arnt as bad as you claim, im telling you, I ran 14,7 with a fulllly slipping clutch, with the proper clutch and good 60' time I know I can run at leastttt 14.5 if not lower. The only reason Roman's car ran slower is cus its a cab, thats like 400-500 lbs difference? (with the 'rule' being 100lbs = 0.1 sec then his time of 15.7 or watever isnt THAT bad considering it being his first time tracking..)

Romaz
07-24-2007, 11:12 PM
lol nice pics Roman!! so much better than my camera, all my pics came out so dark. Hawaii, the 330's arnt as bad as you claim, im telling you, I ran 14,7 with a fulllly slipping clutch, with the proper clutch and good 60' time I know I can run at leastttt 14.5 if not lower. The only reason Roman's car ran slower is cus its a cab, thats like 400-500 lbs difference? (with the 'rule' being 100lbs = 0.1 sec then his time of 15.7 or watever isnt THAT bad considering it being his first time tracking..)

U forgot about the 100lbs of subs in the trunk *shiner*

Romaz
07-24-2007, 11:20 PM
Cant forget this one; :D :D :D
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3185/snapshot20070724224428rf6.jpg

StikiGreenZ
07-25-2007, 09:27 AM
nice pics.

Romaz
07-25-2007, 10:34 AM
nice pics.

Thanks Homie :D

Boots R
07-25-2007, 10:51 AM
Cant forget this one; :D :D :D
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3185/snapshot20070724224428rf6.jpg

What an ugly piece of shit. *thmbsdwn*











*shiner*

StikiGreenZ
07-25-2007, 10:58 AM
looks like it got shot up (side skirt)... problems with the mafia? :D

Boots R
07-25-2007, 11:14 AM
lol previous owner's body shop secured the side skirt with WINDOW SEAL. window seal of all things, those lazy bastards. I had to take it off and re-install.

It's all good now, and it was good when I went to the track, I don't know where that picture came from. :confused:

Romaz
07-25-2007, 11:34 AM
lol previous owner's body shop secured the side skirt with WINDOW SEAL. window seal of all things, those lazy bastards. I had to take it off and re-install.

It's all good now, and it was good when I went to the track, I don't know where that picture came from. :confused:


Lol, not sure where it came from either. Possibly from the Midnight cruiz :confused:

Boots R
07-25-2007, 11:43 AM
Lol, not sure where it came from either. Possibly from the Midnight cruiz :confused:
OH YEAH! Did you find a place to host the video yet?

What about uploading it to http://www.yousendit.com/ ? or http://rapidshare.com/ ?

Romaz
07-25-2007, 02:21 PM
OH YEAH! Did you find a place to host the video yet?

What about uploading it to http://www.yousendit.com/ ? or http://rapidshare.com/ ?

The file is only 3min long and over 300mb :rolleyes: Both thoes sites are limited to 100mb max :(

Mystikal
07-25-2007, 02:42 PM
Excuse me? haha..... A stock SI would give a 330 a run for its money on a track? Say when, I'm there. No way a stock SI will keep up in the corners against a 330.

Here's some numbers for you from http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

2002 Honda Civic Si 7.6 15.8 (R&T July '02)
2001 BMW 330i 6.1 14.8

Very comparable numbers :huh?:

Not to mention the BMW will handle way more punishment than the Civic. Not meaning to hate on the Civic, my sister drives a 1.7EL, its a nice car for its purpose... just be careful with the comparisons you make.

LOL...not that generation Si.

The latest model, 210hp K20. It's still not as fast as an E46 330 stock, but with a couple bolt-ons it is.

Jay

StikiGreenZ
07-25-2007, 03:03 PM
LOL...not that generation Si.

The latest model, 210hp K20. It's still not as fast as an E46 330 stock, but with a couple bolt-ons it is.

Jay


Sorry I thoguht it would be fair to compare cars from relatively the same years? Might as well compare a 1992 bmw to a 2007 civic right?

Also, he's talking stock to stock... not with bolt-ons... Both motors are capable of bolt-ons. To make a fair comparison, you'd have to install the same bolt-ons on both motors? Lets be realistic here! btw, the latest gen 330 is what... 255 or 265 horse? Shall we delve into the torque numbers? Oops, Hondas are known to have insane low-end torque!!! :D

Michel
07-25-2007, 03:07 PM
Hey guys sorry for going off topic but I have a question (don't think its worth me creating a new thread for),

So when we were at the track last friday, I tried to launch the car at around 2500rpm and the car didn't move, it just creeped and rev'ed in it's spot and i can tell the clutch was slipping. Was it because the clutch needs to be replaced soon or was I doing something wrong in my launch? The clutch was too too hot by the way and it has happened more than once (when ive practiced my launch previously).

E46er
07-25-2007, 03:12 PM
Hey guys sorry for going off topic but I have a question (don't think its worth me creating a new thread for),

So when we were at the track last friday, I tried to launch the car at around 2500rpm and the car didn't move, it just creeped and rev'ed in it's spot and i can tell the clutch was slipping. Was it because the clutch needs to be replaced soon or was I doing something wrong in my launch? The clutch was too too hot by the way and it has happened more than once (when ive practiced my launch previously).


most probably the clutch needs to be replaced, it can hold more than 2500. Was it slipping right from the first couple of runs?

StikiGreenZ
07-25-2007, 03:19 PM
I know it took a while for me to get used to a BMW clutch... They're not the same as other cars i've driven.

Michel - it could also be the clutch delay valve. It's a valve that delays engagement of the clutch to protect the transmission. Lots of people (including myself) have it removed (its practically free). And I found it made a huge difference on how my clutch responds.

Michel
07-25-2007, 03:22 PM
CDV has been removed on the car the first day my bro got it! haha, yea E46er it slipped on my second run! and I had let it cool for 20 minutes or so between the first and second. It sometimes does it shifting from 1st to 2nd, the rpm just stays in one spot while im flooring it, and no wheel spin.n

E46er
07-25-2007, 04:27 PM
CDV has been removed on the car the first day my bro got it! haha, yea E46er it slipped on my second run! and I had let it cool for 20 minutes or so between the first and second. It sometimes does it shifting from 1st to 2nd, the rpm just stays in one spot while im flooring it, and no wheel spin.n


Then yea...most probably you need to change the clutch.

330ci05
07-25-2007, 06:13 PM
when do u guys want to go again?

Michel
07-25-2007, 09:08 PM
lol anytime brother, i dont think my bro will let me run his car anymore since he has no money for a clutch and since I dont wanna break it too buy him a new one :P

1BADBMR
07-26-2007, 12:28 AM
when do u guys want to go again?

I'm down...lets get some more ppl

330ci05
07-26-2007, 07:34 AM
lol anytime brother, i dont think my bro will let me run his car anymore since he has no money for a clutch and since I dont wanna break it too buy him a new one :P


wait, he has a 04 6spd right?


i have my stock one for sale! it's like NEW, changed it just under 15 000km....

Michel
07-26-2007, 08:12 AM
nah its an '02 5spd... i think he wants to save up and go for the M5 clutch and UUC stage2 8.5 lbs flywheel..

edit: any suggestions?

StikiGreenZ
07-26-2007, 08:58 AM
I'm down...lets get some more ppl

*th-up*

330ci05
07-26-2007, 09:46 AM
nah its an '02 5spd... i think he wants to save up and go for the M5 clutch and UUC stage2 8.5 lbs flywheel..

edit: any suggestions?

oh man,,, thats too bad lol... for me atleast hehehe.. but yeah i would go for that Setup, it's the best IMO... i have it and it rocks!*rockout*

Michel
07-26-2007, 10:44 AM
^ How does the clutch pedal feel with that setup?

What's the difference between an Organic, Kevlar and Ceramic clutch? which of the three is the best?

Sorry I'm at work and don't want to get fired for constantly researching these things :D

330ci05
07-26-2007, 01:13 PM
^ How does the clutch pedal feel with that setup?

What's the difference between an Organic, Kevlar and Ceramic clutch? which of the three is the best?

Sorry I'm at work and don't want to get fired for constantly researching these things :D

well the organic is like the M5 clutch but bit better,, the kevlar and ceramic are for high power cars..... unless u planning to s/c with stage 2+ go with the kevlar if not, go with the organic, even with a stage 1 is good... hope that helps....

and my clutch pedal feels harder to push down, but the bite is NICE, i dunno i got use to it, but with the pullies and the lighflywheel it revs up FAST.... now with the 3.38 diff, first gears goes by in a flash lol....

Romaz
07-26-2007, 03:17 PM
well the organic is like the M5 clutch but bit better,, the kevlar and ceramic are for high power cars..... unless u planning to s/c with stage 2+ go with the kevlar if not, go with the organic, even with a stage 1 is good... hope that helps....

and my clutch pedal feels harder to push down, but the bite is NICE, i dunno i got use to it, but with the pullies and the lighflywheel it revs up FAST.... now with the 3.38 diff, first gears goes by in a flash lol....


So u finally swapped ur diff? How much did it end up costing u?

330ci05
07-26-2007, 03:34 PM
So u finally swapped ur diff? How much did it end up costing u?

yeah i swapped it long time ago,,, but not LSD,, soon tho.. the diff was 550$ and i forgot howmuch for the install but i'm sure it wasnt too much, i had it done at RMP!!!!*th-up*

StikiGreenZ
07-26-2007, 04:04 PM
How does that diff affect your fuel economy?

Michel
07-26-2007, 04:33 PM
LSD soon you say? how much is that gonna cost? I hear you have to pull out the whole E46 m3 drivetrain for that to work, including tranny? even then you also need to modify the ecu or something, is that right?

Mystikal
07-26-2007, 04:40 PM
Sorry I thoguht it would be fair to compare cars from relatively the same years? Might as well compare a 1992 bmw to a 2007 civic right?

Also, he's talking stock to stock... not with bolt-ons... Both motors are capable of bolt-ons. To make a fair comparison, you'd have to install the same bolt-ons on both motors? Lets be realistic here! btw, the latest gen 330 is what... 255 or 265 horse? Shall we delve into the torque numbers? Oops, Hondas are known to have insane low-end torque!!! :D

Fine. A 2006 Civic Si and a 2006 330i have very close acceleration times.

Throw an intake on each car, and the Si will pull ahead.

Jay

330ci05
07-26-2007, 05:34 PM
LSD soon you say? how much is that gonna cost? I hear you have to pull out the whole E46 m3 drivetrain for that to work, including tranny? even then you also need to modify the ecu or something, is that right?


noooo... it's a simple swap, but the LSD is about 3k with gears....

330ci05
07-26-2007, 05:35 PM
How does that diff affect your fuel economy?


well i don't drive my car daily, and that much, i can't really tell the difference in fuel economy but i think it has gone up , but then i get i drive around 3k RPM in 3rd gear around 70km.... i like how the exhuast sounds :D TS3 *th-up*

rendered
07-29-2007, 11:29 PM
Stock ZHP 330ci's are running 13.8, and 13.9's all day long in the states!

why would they be any slower here in canada?

I don't see how the a normal 2001 330ci could be much slower!

Michel
07-30-2007, 12:48 AM
i kind of have a hard time beliving that.. ive seen car and driver pull 14.3 out of them. I was driving a ZHP once on the highway and raced my bro(he had a 328is at the time) we were both in third gear and he pulled away! maybe the car i was driving was broken? but eitherway, i wasnt too impressed.

Sa///M3
07-30-2007, 01:57 AM
Stock ZHP 330ci's are running 13.8, and 13.9's all day long in the states!

why would they be any slower here in canada?

I don't see how the a normal 2001 330ci could be much slower!
14.0 maybe 13.9 yes, all day I doubt that ;).

rendered
07-30-2007, 02:27 AM
I'm head to head on the highway with my buddies stock e46 m3 all day long in my stock ZHP coupe.

I would know best if anyone here. I spent a month deciding. Comparing/and driving both normal 2004 330ci's, and the 2004 ZHP 330ci to figure out if the differences were really apparent!

trust me, I wouldn't of spent the extra $10,000 if I didn't think it was totally worth it.

There is a noticeable difference between a normal 330ci and ZHP.

car and driver's rating of 14.3 is very conservative! their driver obviously sucks if he can't break 14.0.

its all driver dependant

330ci05
07-30-2007, 07:56 AM
I'm head to head on the highway with my buddies stock e46 m3 all day long in my stock ZHP coupe.

I would know best if anyone here. I spent a month deciding. Comparing/and driving both normal 2004 330ci's, and the 2004 ZHP 330ci to figure out if the differences were really apparent!

trust me, I wouldn't of spent the extra $10,000 if I didn't think it was totally worth it.

There is a noticeable difference between a normal 330ci and ZHP.

car and driver's rating of 14.3 is very conservative! their driver obviously sucks if he can't break 14.0.

its all driver dependant

i find it VERY hard to Believe all that!!!!! first thing is there is no way in HELL u can keep on with a e46 m3 on the hwy "ALL DAY LONG"!if you mean being 10 cars behind all they long sure, from start i can see it being a bit closer but on the HWY there is NOWAY, if thats the case then i could beat one noproblem lol.... and IMO i don't think the ZHP i worth the extra 10K, u can use that cash on aftermarket parts and make it way faster!

Michel
07-30-2007, 08:18 AM
i know u usually have to compare power-weight ratios, but the ZHP and M3 are 2 similar sized cars with similar weight and mecanics...except the m3 is about 98hp more (+LSD)? I don;t think the ZHp can keep up.

Zim Zimma
07-30-2007, 09:45 AM
The ZHP can't keep up at all... I have done NUMEROUS runs between a 330i ZHP and a e36 M3...all rolling no skill involved no matter which gear, speed etc the e36 M3 walks away on the zhp slowly....There is no way in hell an e46 M3 is head to head with a zhp.

StikiGreenZ
07-30-2007, 11:08 AM
Sorry Mark, I'd have to agree with Zim Zimma.

rendered
07-30-2007, 11:40 AM
I didn't believe it either till him and I tried it on the highway! He couldn't pull away from his 1 car length lead! I'd show you guys any day except for the fact my car is sold, and I'm picking up my new one soon.

I must have a special car then :)

Michel, Go look at what most e46 M3's are putting down to the rear wheels, as far as Torque is concerned! HP to the rear wheels is not a 98 HP difference. (you're speaking at the crank)

Zim Zimma, you're comparing a 4 door zhp to a 2 door e36 m3.

Stiki, why was I beating alan's e36 M3?

I've driven many e36 m3's, and buy no means is it faster than the ZHP.

Bold statement, I know, but thats my hands on experience!

StikiGreenZ
07-30-2007, 11:51 AM
Alvin's car was near death last year...

Michel
07-30-2007, 12:00 PM
is there that much of a difference between the 330i ZHP and the 330ci ZHP? cus when i raced my brother on the highway I was driving a 330i zhp, and he was able to take me..

sash
07-30-2007, 12:04 PM
I didn't believe it either till him and I tried it on the highway! He couldn't pull away from his 1 car length lead! I'd show you guys any day except for the fact my car is sold, and I'm picking up my new one soon.

I must have a special car then :)

Michel, Go look at what most e46 M3's are putting down to the rear wheels, as far as Torque is concerned! HP to the rear wheels is not a 98 HP difference. (you're speaking at the crank)

Zim Zimma, you're comparing a 4 door zhp to a 2 door e36 m3.

Stiki, why was I beating alan's e36 M3?

I've driven many e36 m3's, and buy no means is it faster than the ZHP.

Bold statement, I know, but thats my hands on experience!
How does number of doors make any difference since E46 2 door and 4 door weigh the same and virtually no drag difference.

330ci05
07-30-2007, 01:44 PM
^^^ don't worry man, he just talkin out of his A$$ heheeh ;)

there is NOWAY that a stock ZHP either a Ci or I(same shit) will be 1 car behind on a HYW race with a M3!!!!

trust me your car is not special, it's you hehehe....

so what if it's sold, u still driving it so it's still yours.. prove us all wrong!

StikiGreenZ
07-30-2007, 02:42 PM
Correction to my post above... Alvin's car's CLUTCH was near death!

haha, cant believe i wrote that! :D

JNSchnitzer
07-30-2007, 03:10 PM
The ZHP can't keep up at all... I have done NUMEROUS runs between a 330i ZHP and a e36 M3...all rolling no skill involved no matter which gear, speed etc the e36 M3 walks away on the zhp slowly....There is no way in hell an e46 M3 is head to head with a zhp.

Agreed. An e36 M3 did the same to me last weekend. At one point the M3 was coming from behind and I just couldn't pull away from it. The guy kept creeping up and the only thing that stopped him was the fact that he didn't want to hit me :). I can't even begin to imagine what an e46 M3 would do to my car, let alone my ego hahaha ... and my car is well tuned I believe.

330ci05
07-30-2007, 03:22 PM
^^^ how well tuned? what do u have? cuz i beat a e36 m3 with my mods....

JNSchnitzer
07-30-2007, 03:25 PM
- Dinan StgII chip
- Dinan Intake
- Eisenmann Race Cat Exhaust

Mind you if I would have down shifter to 3rd I would have had him ... nevertheless the winner wouldn't be so clear cut

edit: down shifteD

330ci05
07-30-2007, 03:52 PM
- Dinan StgII chip
- Dinan Intake
- Eisenmann Race Cat Exhaust

Mind you if I would have down shifter to 3rd I would have had him ... nevertheless the winner wouldn't be so clear cut

edit: down shifteD


i see, i had few more things then you at that time....

JNSchnitzer
07-30-2007, 04:44 PM
^^ Granted. But we can both agree that an e46 M3 is out of our league ... unless if we go FI ;)

Boots R
07-30-2007, 04:50 PM
noooo... it's a simple swap, but the LSD is about 3k with gears....

Holy ****ing shit. $3,000?

I could buy 10 e36 diff's for that. :(

Boots R
07-30-2007, 04:50 PM
noooo... it's a simple swap, but the LSD is about 3k with gears....

Holy ****ing shit. $3,000?

I could buy 10 e36 diff's for that. :(

330ci05
07-30-2007, 06:03 PM
Holy ****ing shit. $3,000?

I could buy 10 e36 diff's for that. :(

yeah even more then 3k, thats with u sending your old one back, thats 600 or 800 core charge... they are aloooot of $$$$ :(:( it sucks how the new civic has them and our cars don't, there should be ATLEAST a OPTION!!!!

330ci05
07-30-2007, 06:06 PM
^^ Granted. But we can both agree that an e46 M3 is out of our league ... unless if we go FI ;)

for sure, i NEVER said i could beat or keep up on the HWY with a m3.... last year i did run against a stock m3 from start till like150 and it was a close race but at the end of it i was about 1.5 cars back, but since then i have done lots of stuff and lost some weight, should be a bit closer but nothing special, on the HWY there is no chance......

Hawaii
07-31-2007, 12:06 PM
yah i have both an E46 330i and E46 M3 cab, its not a ZHP but there's no F-ing way the 330i can keep up with my cab on the highway, maybe if it had some maxbimmer.com stickers on it...

330ci05
07-31-2007, 03:15 PM
yah i have both an E46 330i and E46 M3 cab, its not a ZHP but there's no F-ing way the 330i can keep up with my cab on the highway, maybe if it had some maxbimmer.com stickers on it...


man i would like to see how my car would do against your m3 cab ;) *love*

Romaz
07-31-2007, 04:10 PM
man i would like to see how my car would do against your m3 cab ;) *love*

Cabs are slow:( I would know *mumble*

But still the fastest and funest car that I ever owned :D

Is funest a work? Im not too sure, im too *sleep* and *drink* today

330ci05
07-31-2007, 05:01 PM
Cabs are slow:( I would know *mumble*

But still the fastest and funest car that I ever owned :D

Is funest a work? Im not too sure, im too *sleep* and *drink* today

yeah they a bit slower in straight line then the coupe's, but on the track even more....

lol...... funest is not a work nor a word hehehehe ....*wave*

Romaz
07-31-2007, 06:37 PM
yeah they a bit slower in straight line then the coupe's, but on the track even more....

lol...... funest is not a work nor a word hehehehe ....*wave*


Leave me alone, its been a very long weekend *drink* *wave*

330ci05
07-31-2007, 07:40 PM
Leave me alone, its been a very long weekend *drink* *wave*

:P :P

didn't know urs was a cab.... maybe you should upgrade your swaybars with my stock sport ones, it will help ;) :P *wave* :D

Michel
07-31-2007, 11:13 PM
LOL stop trying to sell us ur stock stuff! :P

Romaz
08-01-2007, 10:41 AM
^^^ LOL yeah + I dont think that they will fit :(

330ci05
08-01-2007, 01:10 PM
^^^ LOL yeah + I dont think that they will fit :(


hehehe.... u sure it won't fit?:confused:

Romaz
08-01-2007, 01:26 PM
hehehe.... u sure it won't fit?:confused:

I think the front fit but not the rear. Im thinking of getting a Dinan swaybar anyways

330ci05
08-01-2007, 02:16 PM
I think the front fit but not the rear. Im thinking of getting a Dinan swaybar anyways


get the H&R *th-up*

rendered
08-01-2007, 08:10 PM
There's no excuse why a ZHP coupe shouldn't keep up with an E46 M3 coupe!

You drive poorly if you can't keep up!

I know what I've experienced, and there's nothing the uninformed people can say that will make me think any differently. LOL

330ci05
08-01-2007, 08:39 PM
There's no excuse why a ZHP coupe shouldn't keep up with an E46 M3 coupe!

You drive poorly if you can't keep up!

I know what I've experienced, and there's nothing the uninformed people can say that will make me think any differently. LOL


lol,,, u smokin some cheap STUFF man!!!, u cant even keep up with my car first off, not a M3 lol....

StikiGreenZ
08-02-2007, 08:46 AM
There's no excuse why a ZHP coupe shouldn't keep up with an E46 M3 coupe!

:huh?:
Are you serious?

Romaz
08-02-2007, 01:23 PM
There's no excuse why a ZHP coupe shouldn't keep up with an E46 M3 coupe!


LMFAO, Oh I havent had a good laugh like that in a while :D