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alldiver28
12-15-2002, 06:54 PM
Hey guys !!!!! and how much i'm spected to pay?

mkgino
12-15-2002, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by alldiver28
Hey guys !!!!! and how much i'm spected to pay?

A LOT! No just kidding. From 92-99 they all have the same performance numbers. If you want it for performance then get a 95 or older, because you it takes to mods much easier

Daydream///M3
12-15-2002, 07:21 PM
Not true in terms of performance numbers... pre 95 have 240 bhp and 227 lb/ft and are a 3.0L block
96-99 are 3.2 L and have the same bhp at 240... but 236lb/ft
OBD1 are easier to tune...true, but burn more fuel....3.2L are more efficient in fuel consumption so Ive heard.
Im looking for a 97-99. Ergonomics are slightly different in the newer E36's...auto climate control, traction etc...
Newer E36's looking to spend 30-35 with 80-100 K.....contingent on the condition.

mkgino
12-15-2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Daydream///M3
Not true in terms of performance numbers... pre 95 have 240 bhp and 227 lb/ft and are a 3.0L block
96-99 are 3.2 L and have the same bhp at 240... but 236lb/ft
OBD1 are easier to tune...true, but burn more fuel....3.2L are more efficient in fuel consumption so Ive heard.
Im looking for a 97-99. Ergonomics are slightly different in the newer E36's...auto climate control, traction etc...
Newer E36's looking to spend 30-35 with 80-100 K.....contingent on the condition.

U gonna S/C this one too?? Oh man that would ba a beast!!

SickFinga
12-15-2002, 08:29 PM
mkgino you dunno shit about m3s so STFU :D j/k
well your best choice is 94 euro m3.
if you don't wanna it then 95 m3 comes with 3.0l engine, no traction control, and knobs instead of buttons. also front is different. there were no m3s in 96, so next come 97-99.
97 is the ligthest one, late 97 came with side airbags, and in 98-99 they came with illuminated shiftknobs and rear headrests. also olders m3s had 4 point steering wheel

anyway i would go with 97-98 m3. 99 will cost much more

mkgino
12-15-2002, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
mkgino you dunno shit about m3s so STFU :D j/k
well your best choice is 94 euro m3.
if you don't wanna it then 95 m3 comes with 3.0l engine, no traction control, and knobs instead of buttons. also front is different. there were no m3s in 96, so next come 97-99.
97 is the ligthest one, late 97 came with side airbags, and in 98-99 they came with illuminated shiftknobs and rear headrests. also olders m3s had 4 point steering wheel

anyway i would go with 97-98 m3. 99 will cost much more

Dude, he asked about performance not looks. They are all basically the same car except for a few buttons here and there. But the OBD1 is easier to mod, I mean thats what everyone says on the boards.

Jon@Bimmersport
12-15-2002, 08:52 PM
they didnt have E36 M3 until 1994/1995 didnt they?

SickFinga
12-15-2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by mkgino


Dude, he asked about performance not looks. They are all basically the same car except for a few buttons here and there. But the OBD1 is easier to mod, I mean thats what everyone says on the boards.

You said: From 92-99 they all have the same performance numbers.

There were no e36 m3s till 94 when they imported them in Canada, then first US spec m3 appears in 95 only in US, next m3 came in 97.
Performance wise 94 is different from any other year, 95 is different from any other year and 97-99 were the same

mkgino
12-15-2002, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga


You said: From 92-99 they all have the same performance numbers.

There were no e36 m3s till 94 when they imported them in Canada, then first US spec m3 appears in 95 only in US, next m3 came in 97.
Performance wise 94 is different from any other year, 95 is different from any other year and 97-99 were the same

Sorry I meant from 94-99. Dude they are almost the same car performance wise, except for the bit more torque in the 3.2l 96-99. Lets not split hairs. He asked if there are any differences in performance and there really arent. I would get the older one if he wanted to mod it, because the OBD1 takes easier to mods. Why is 94 and 95 different from 97-99?

SickFinga
12-15-2002, 09:32 PM
94 euro m3 had 3.0l 286hp and 236lb of torque
95 m3 had 3.0l 240hp and 225lb of torque
97-99 had 3.2l 241hp and 236lb or torque

330DTM
12-15-2002, 09:48 PM
Heh,
OBD I's just gives you better results from a mod vs. OBD II. That's why OBD IIs are harder to mod, in terms of if you expect more gains from the mod.

But given that you drive it daily and you don't race, it probably wouldn't matter if you have a 3.2L or 3.0L w/minor mods.

But if you love the ergonomics on the 97-99 (which i do b/c of the climate controls and 3 spoke steering wheel on the '99) but also care about squeezing ever inch of power then go for it and convert it to an OBD I if you want to stay N/A, otherwise stay OBD II and supercharge or turbocharge it :P

Jon@Bimmersport
12-15-2002, 10:39 PM
wont you get better results even with OBD1 for s/c or turbo?

also sickfinga, dont bother mentioning the euro..he is in US..he will have to import it which is more money for him

Daydream///M3
12-15-2002, 11:08 PM
I think the 94 euro has 247lb/ft and 286bhp
The EVO 3.2L has 321 bhp and 258lb/ft

I think that is how it went..... those aforementioned are Euro models and were never available in the states or Canada.....too bad unfortunately.

I would love to get my hands on an EVO E36 M3 :)

Jon@Bimmersport
12-15-2002, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by Daydream///M3
I think the 94 euro has 247lb/ft and 286bhp
The EVO 3.2L has 321 bhp and 258lb/ft

I think that is how it went..... those aforementioned are Euro models and were never available in the states or Canada.....too bad unfortunately.

I would love to get my hands on an EVO E36 M3 :)

even with that HP...its 0-60 times were almost exactly the same...the only difference is the HP and the 6spd tranny

SickFinga
12-15-2002, 11:20 PM
euro m3 was available in Canada EVO euro m3 were not.
also I saw some euro m3 for sale on dtm and they were already in states.

the reason why us spec in euro m3 were pretty close in 0-60 and 1/4 mile is that euro m3 has different differential, euro is capable of much higher top speed.

bimmerlyfe
12-15-2002, 11:29 PM
ummm id go wit the 94 eurospec like bimmersports

330DTM
12-16-2002, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by E46_lover
wont you get better results even with OBD1 for s/c or turbo?

also sickfinga, dont bother mentioning the euro..he is in US..he will have to import it which is more money for him


Well yeah you will get more gains, but it just depends how much power you want.

Anyways the US gets the LTW E36 M3. I want to get my hands on one of those!

M3_Styles
12-17-2002, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by E46_lover
wont you get better results even with OBD1 for s/c or turbo?

also sickfinga, dont bother mentioning the euro..he is in US..he will have to import it which is more money for him

They didnt have the 94 eurospec m3 for sale in the states??
it was sold in canada though right?

325Ryan
12-17-2002, 09:55 PM
i saw a eurospec for sale once ... saved the pic too

mkgino
12-18-2002, 02:49 PM
There is a eurospec purple '94 for sale in the autotrader right now!!:)

Betray
12-18-2002, 04:18 PM
let me guess #1 of 45 =)
there was quite a few 3 weeks ago, i know randys, and 2 other ones

GR8 Ride
12-18-2002, 04:40 PM
The 94 Euro M3's are starting to pop up for sale again around town. Generally though, these are going for the mid $40's range, which is a little pricey for a 9 year old car.

They are starting to develop a collector's item type mentality, so it could be worth it in that sense. Don't get me wrong, I'm giving some thought to picking one up myself.

However, a couple of caveats about the 94 Euro M3. Many parts are harder to get and somewhat pricier than their US spec counterparts. Also, it requires significantly more maintenance than the US spec motor (which is really a bored and stroked 2.5L motor...). Regular valve adjustments are necessary (20,000 km), and it can tend to blow by a little oil on occasion. It's a much sweeter motor than the US spec version, but also somewhat more high-strung. It really needs to be driven to get the most out of it, and it's hard to do that around town. It doesn't have the low-end torque of the US spec motor, particularly the 3.2L.

A good, 97-98 US spec 3.2L M3 is going to run low-mid $30s, and overall is a better *daily driver* car than the Euro. Better bottom end, shorter gearing and easier maintenance make it better for a city car.

A '95 M3 LTW (US availability only) is going to run well into $30-35,000 US dollars (close to $50,000 CDN), and they're hard to find.

Some '96 M3's were available as they were common in the US, but not sold here in Canada. Easy enough to get and bring into the country though. By the time you import something, you're still better off buying a 97 here in Toronto, and living with it that way.


Pat