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stolken
12-14-2002, 08:48 AM
Do you think its possible ?
Is the chassis of the m3 the same chassis than a 325i or 320i ?
Does anyone ever do this ?

SickFinga
12-14-2002, 08:58 PM
yes it is, everything is possible, but a lot of work and money

http://www.e30-2.de/fotost/f00017/f00017.htm

This can was imported to Canada and was for sale for 60,000USD

Autotechnica
12-14-2002, 10:29 PM
It's already been done many years ago. The Racing Dyanmics Hurrcane 5.0L V12 E36. It's using a twin turbocharged 850 engine producing over 800HP. It produced so much torque the wheels wouldn't grip.

I think this is too much power for it's own good. And I like cars to be balanced so it's not my thing. Still pretty cool to see in action.

Bryan

SickFinga
12-14-2002, 10:30 PM
I juat noticed you said e36.

Autotechnica
12-14-2002, 10:32 PM
Here are the exact specs of the Hurricane.

K55 V-12 Hurricane

ENGINE AND VEHICLE PERFORMANCE DATA
Layout/Number of Cylinders V-12
Bore x Stroke (mm) 84 x 82.5
Displacement (cc) 5486
Maximum Power Output net (kW/BHP - 1/min) 318/427 - 5900
Maximum torque (Nm/lb-ft - 1/min) 554/406 - 4100
Acceleration 0-100 Km/h (sec) 4.5
Maximum Speed (kph/mph) 305/190

SPORT EQUIPMENT

Reinforced Sport Clutch
6-Speed Manual Gearbox
Racing Dynamics Torque Biasing Differential with E36 M3 rear axle
355/34mm vented front discs with 4 piston calipers
312/28mm rear discs with one-piston caliper

EXTERIOR EQUIPMENT

Front spoiler, side skirts, rear spoiler and sport mirrors
Double twin oval exhaust with stainless steel polished tips
Height-adjustable Racing Dynamics sport suspension
8.5 x 18 H2 RGR alloy wheels with 235/40 ZR 18 tires (front)
8.5 x 18 H2 RGR alloy wheels with 265/35 ZR 18 tires (rear)

INTERIOR EQUIPMENT

3-Spoke sport steering wheel with matching gear knob
Dual digital instrument displays for driver and passenger
Limited Edition serial number plate

Autotechnica
12-14-2002, 10:34 PM
Here is a picture of the Hurrican. In the specs they did not mention it was twin turbocharged, they must have realized it was too much power and removed the turbo. Well anyways, still a great car.

thinair
12-14-2002, 10:36 PM
maybe I should get a v12 in my car to complete the package.....:rolleyes:

Autotechnica
12-14-2002, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by thinair
maybe I should get a v12 in my car to complete the package.....:rolleyes:

Nah, it would mess up the handling and your front end would feel like you had 10 dead bodies in it. :D :P

Bryan

Sylak
12-15-2002, 03:35 AM
Dead Bodies Everywhere...
damn this car look sleeper... a nice job.. must be hard.. but a V12 his too big for a smal 3 serie.. even a V8 his too much! they must stay 'lightweigth' ( in comparison too 5 ans 7 serie) the handling of that car must be bad... But it still un nice job. this guy desever a

*th-up* *th-up*

thinair
12-15-2002, 04:41 AM
Suprisingly the M70 engine (5L V12, aluminium block and I think the heads too) is only like 33lbs heavier then the M52 engine (308lbs, aluminium block), and only 6.6lbs heavier then the Euro M3 S52 (iron block). Getting a carbon fibre hood would make up the front end difference.

stolken
12-15-2002, 09:42 AM
thanks
;)

stolken
12-15-2002, 01:27 PM
what is the differences (chassis) between an e36 m3 and an e36 325i ?

Autotechnica
12-15-2002, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by thinair
Suprisingly the M70 engine (5L V12, aluminium block and I think the heads too) is only like 33lbs heavier then the M52 engine (308lbs, aluminium block), and only 6.6lbs heavier then the Euro M3 S52 (iron block). Getting a carbon fibre hood would make up the front end difference.

Interesting. However, with all the known problems the 850 motor has would you still want to go through with the swap? I'd probably want a more reliable motor such as the Euro S52. And even if the motor is only slightly heavier (33lbs) I think weight distribution is still a problem, the motor is massive in size.

Bryan

Autotechnica
12-15-2002, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by stolken
what is the differences (chassis) between an e36 m3 and an e36 325i ?

The chassis is the same with all 3 series, the suspension is slightly different, but control arms, most bushings and reinforcements are all the same. Most people say they can't beleive how much better an M3 "feels" hanlding wise compared to the rest of the 3 series. Even a stock M3 handles better than say a 325 w/ upgraded suspension (this is only what I've heard). I've never experienced this for myself so it's difficult to say. But after talking to quite a few BMW mechanics they tell me the basic chassis and most components are the same. Unless of course you are comparing it with the M3 LTW, that's a totally different story.

Bryan

Soldo
12-15-2002, 04:49 PM
WOW, speaking of SLEEPERS, i am TERRIFIED of all E30's now, cause now who knows, you might pull up to the wrong one, cause it might have a V12 in it, oh, and the size difference doesn't matter its all about the weight, like thinair said, getting a carbon fibre hood makes up the difference, then all you have to do is upgrade the suspension, it should handle fine then, NOI?!?!
*mw* *mw*
OH YEAH, does anyone know how much something like this would cost (NOT INCLUDING ENGINE)?!?!?!

SickFinga
12-15-2002, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Autotechnica


The chassis is the same with all 3 series, the suspension is slightly different, but control arms, most bushings and reinforcements are all the same. Most people say they can't beleive how much better an M3 "feels" hanlding wise compared to the rest of the 3 series. Even a stock M3 handles better than say a 325 w/ upgraded suspension (this is only what I've heard). I've never experienced this for myself so it's difficult to say. But after talking to quite a few BMW mechanics they tell me the basic chassis and most components are the same. Unless of course you are comparing it with the M3 LTW, that's a totally different story.

Bryan


Brian, I dunno about the front, but whole rear suspension is different, everything is different there, control arms, axels, etc

thinair
12-15-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by stolken
what is the differences (chassis) between an e36 m3 and an e36 325i ?

The front shock towers are drilled in different positions, the M3 has way more caster. The control arms are beefier and the spindles are also beefed up. The rear trailing arms are different also, different suspension geometry and they are reinforced. There are quite a few reinforcements throughout the chassis, but I can't name them at the moment cause I don't have the book near me....

The brakes are also bigger, the springs are stiffer (heavier spring rate), the shocks are valved differently (stiffer), the anti-roll bars are larger also, and attach to the struts on the front instead of the control arm.