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craz azn
12-14-2006, 01:10 AM
Whats the best wax that one can buy locally in town? ie not on the internet... cuz I wouldnt mind to do this to my car, but I neither have the time nor the patience to cruise on the 'net to figure out how to buy stuff from somewhere I dont know... oh, and pls dont say crappy tire lol*angel*

So best wax?? $$ isnt a problem, as long as its somewhere in the GTA. Possibly a speciality store?

paul christians
12-14-2006, 02:41 AM
like the stuff your dad got from that guy thought..........

T.Dot_E30
12-14-2006, 10:16 AM
Zaino?

I doubt its the best money can buy.

Actually i'd spend my money on a highspeed buffer, that and the right stuff, beats any oribal/hand wax around.

There is special wax/polish/compound to use with highspeed buffers.

europrince
12-14-2006, 10:31 AM
Zaino?

I doubt its the best money can buy.

Are you refering to Zymol?

BMWWW
12-14-2006, 05:32 PM
What is your criteria? (Looks or durability?)

There aren't many high-end/boutique products available locally in a brick-and-mortar store.. plenty online though.

Give us your criteria, and perhaps someone can help you.

T.Dot_E30
12-14-2006, 11:51 PM
Are you refering to Zymol?

no, Zaino.

http://www.zainostore.com/

picus
12-14-2006, 11:57 PM
If you want locally available I'd have to go with Zaino too; available at The Barbers Shop. Because I am anal and need to say this; it's a sealant, not a wax. :)

Understated
12-15-2006, 12:29 AM
definitely getting a highspeed buffer next summer....my forearms have gotten OWNED for the past 3yrs :(

craz azn
12-15-2006, 12:36 AM
where might one find this 'Barber Shop'?? :)

Oh and an afterthought.. you mention Zaino is a sealant.. can you wax on top of sealants??

Edit: One more thing.. whats a better wax... Zymol or that Meguiars NXT or whatever it is...??

STALKER
12-15-2006, 01:13 AM
Klasse is the best sealant, bettter then Zaino. I tried both. You can wax over sealant, but not the other way around. The main thing with a sealant is you can layer it, so use it often and you get wicked protection, so I dont bother putting wax over it. I have 3 layers of Klasse on my car, that was 3 months ago, and the water still glides of the car easily. For ppl that drive their BMW in the winter a sealer is a must IMO. Slap on a few coats in the fall and you are good to go all winter.

Marky_mark
12-15-2006, 01:15 AM
Meguiars is a better wax and has a better product line .Zymol is okay but over priced 10 years ago Zymol was the best. Meguiars makes some good wax's they have many different types the one you are asking about is NXT Generation Tech Wax this is a very good wax for a one step wax and easy to use. If you want your car to shine and last you should use paint cleaner first before you put the wax on your paint this will give you the best results if your doing all this by hand. and you can find this at canadian tire or any automotive store

Bliss
12-15-2006, 03:26 AM
I always use zymol. Works best for me.

Gamite
12-15-2006, 04:56 AM
Klasse is the best sealant, bettter then Zaino. I tried both. You can wax over sealant, but not the other way around. The main thing with a sealant is you can layer it, so use it often and you get wicked protection, so I dont bother putting wax over it. I have 3 layers of Klasse on my car, that was 3 months ago, and the water still glides of the car easily. For ppl that drive their BMW in the winter a sealer is a must IMO. Slap on a few coats in the fall and you are good to go all winter.

I haven't tried Klasse, but I want to. I heard good stuff about Zaino, but I hear it doesn't offer much protection afterwards. My friends found that they have to re-wax afterwards. Zaino is more of a polish than a protectant. Perhaps use Zaino and then klass to seal it up.

Right now I'm just using that meguiars synthetic.


I find that the best way to get a shine is to still go back to the old fashioned way of polishing, then waxing. I polished my car with a 10" rotary polisher this year for the first time in a few years, and I was able to get that ol glitter back into the E34. Of course I sealed it up with a synthetic wax afterwards.


Remember than synthetic offers more protection, where carnuba offers more shine.

Acidblast
12-15-2006, 07:50 AM
where might one find this 'Barber Shop'?? :)



i think its called the "Barber's Chair" ... you can find it in most major malls. The ones that i know about are in Square one and Vaughan Mills. The Barbers Chair is actually a salon so don't think that its the wrong place to get car wax. everyone thinks why would a salon have car wax... but the Barbers chair does. i think they are the only retail chain in Canada to carry Zaino.

Quack
12-15-2006, 08:50 AM
well your dad has a shop right Rudy, he should be able to get you stuff only shops can get, not sold to the general public, I use to work in a bodyshop & we had lots of different wax, sealent, compounds etc, I find the stuff to be a little more $$$ than the regular stuff you see at crappy tire.

BMWWW
12-15-2006, 09:36 AM
Klasse is the best sealant, bettter then Zaino. I tried both. You can wax over sealant, but not the other way around. The main thing with a sealant is you can layer it, so use it often and you get wicked protection, so I dont bother putting wax over it. I have 3 layers of Klasse on my car, that was 3 months ago, and the water still glides of the car easily. For ppl that drive their BMW in the winter a sealer is a must IMO. Slap on a few coats in the fall and you are good to go all winter.


Pej, when you run out of your Klasse SG, I think you should really look into the line from Jeff Werkstatt(http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com). It's supposed to be the newer generation of Klasse, and is both easier to use, and gives better results.

I know that picus is a big user of Jeff's, and he has used every single product line that ever existed. I'm sure that he'll chime in with his thoughts on this.

I personally use Collinite 845(also said to be available locally) because I'm lazy, and the it's cheap enough for me to just run over the entire car with my PC, and apply to the entire car in just a few minutes. Besides, I'm a beading-man, and 845's beads are *love*

Good luck lads.
--Gabe

paul christians
12-15-2006, 04:32 PM
^^^ heard it is good too........

STALKER
12-15-2006, 05:15 PM
I haven't tried Klasse, but I want to. I heard good stuff about Zaino, but I hear it doesn't offer much protection afterwards. My friends found that they have to re-wax afterwards. Zaino is more of a polish than a protectant. Perhaps use Zaino and then klass to seal it up.

Right now I'm just using that meguiars synthetic.


I find that the best way to get a shine is to still go back to the old fashioned way of polishing, then waxing. I polished my car with a 10" rotary polisher this year for the first time in a few years, and I was able to get that ol glitter back into the E34. Of course I sealed it up with a synthetic wax afterwards.


Remember than synthetic offers more protection, where carnuba offers more shine.
yup, the synthetic stuff will never shine like good old carnuba. But you don't have to use it as often, you layer it for more protection and shine, and it last so much longer.

picus
12-15-2006, 11:40 PM
So much craziness. I'll start with Zaino, since there is a ton of misinfo about it. BMWWW knows I would never use a black and white term in detailing like I am about to without making sure it was correct, so here goes - Zaino is one of the most durable sealants available right now, no question. I'd put it in the top 3 of commercially available sealants in terms of durability alone. Even in poor conditions it will last 5-6 months, in most cases it will exceed that. It is not a polish, a polish in as abrasive; it is marketed as a polish because Sal Zaino knows people know the word "polish" and don't know the words "synthetic polymer sealant". There are two Zaino sealants, Z2Pro and Z5Pro. The difference? Z2pro is optically clear, it will do no filling and tends to have that "plasticky" shine that people often associate with sealants. Z5pro has fillers and has a more natural "carnauba-esque" look. Zaino's only "polish" is ZPC.

Jeffs Werkstatt is a re-formulation of Klasse. Prime is their chemical cleaner and sealant base (so like AIO) and Acrylic Jett is like HGSG. The difference? They have a slightly deeper look, and more importantly are much easier to use than Klasse, which can be rather finicky. Acrylic Jett Trigger is really the jewel of their line - a full on spray sealant with 5 months durability, application can be done in 10 minutes.

Klasse is good stuff, AIO is a brilliant product, but for first time users HGSG can be an absolutely bear.

Meg's products are fine, but their OTC products leave a lot to be desired. NXT is an easy to use *sealant* (NXT is not a wax), it has fillers, downside is it will only last a couple months at best. Meguiars does have some great products, in particular their pro line sealants (#21), and a now-discontinued in the US wax, #16 (available at eshine.ca). #16 has the "wax" look, and like Collinite, lasts 4+ months.

Collinite is good too; incredibly durable for a wax, the liquid is easy to use and it's cheap.

I pretty much use Z5pro and Acrylic Jett only in the winter on client cars. Z5pro on darks, AJ on lights; why? Ease of use, looks, and most important I know they won't fail mid-winter.

Just a note; if you put 10 properly prep'd black cars beside eachother in a parking lot I personally bet after 10 years and countless waxes and sealants I couldn't tell if one had Zaino on it, one had AJ, one had Collinite, Megs 16, or spit. Your LSP has very little to do with the end result of your cars appearance. Focus more on what suits your lifestyle in terms of ease of use, durability, price, and availability.

The Barbers Chair is a barber shop, they're Zaino's Canadian distro (not sure why), they have stores at Square One, Fairview, etc... type The Barbers Chair into google.

picus
12-15-2006, 11:48 PM
Actually, on the topic of most waxes/sealants looking the same on a well prep'd car. I am doing a little science experiment on Autopia right now:

http://autopia.org/forum/829016-post92.html

6 different LSP's on the car right now and I will be damned if I can see any difference on any of the sections. :)

BMWWW
12-16-2006, 10:29 AM
Actually, on the topic of most waxes/sealants looking the same on a well prep'd car. I am doing a little science experiment on Autopia right now:

http://autopia.org/forum/829016-post92.html

6 different LSP's on the car right now and I will be damned if I can see any difference on any of the sections. :)


Kev can do it all. From pro-detailer, to his artistic shots with his dlsr, and now, a scientist!


*th-up* Great job Kev, keep "us" posted!

--Gabe

picus
12-16-2006, 05:41 PM
Haha ya, I'm about as scientific as a pack of monkeys. :)

STALKER
12-17-2006, 12:18 AM
Pej, when you run out of your Klasse SG, I think you should really look into the line from Jeff Werkstatt(http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com). It's supposed to be the newer generation of Klasse, and is both easier to use, and gives better results.

I know that picus is a big user of Jeff's, and he has used every single product line that ever existed. I'm sure that he'll chime in with his thoughts on this.

I personally use Collinite 845(also said to be available locally) because I'm lazy, and the it's cheap enough for me to just run over the entire car with my PC, and apply to the entire car in just a few minutes. Besides, I'm a beading-man, and 845's beads are *love*

Good luck lads.
--Gabe
I will check it out, thanks.

330ci05
12-17-2006, 04:08 PM
Zaino?

I doubt its the best money can buy.

Actually i'd spend my money on a highspeed buffer, that and the right stuff, beats any oribal/hand wax around.

There is special wax/polish/compound to use with highspeed buffers.


what kinda buffer did you get?? from wehre?? i'm aslo looking into getting one for the summer...

thx

BMWWW
12-17-2006, 06:28 PM
what kinda buffer did you get?? from wehre?? i'm aslo looking into getting one for the summer...

thx


If you have no experience, you'd want to get a "Random-orbital"(Dual action) as opposed to a circular polisher(rotary).

The brand that has the most backing for a dual-action would be the Porter Cable (7424 and 7336). Dual-actions are a lot safer than a rotaries, and is probably more than enough for 99% of consumers. (Unless you have a Corvette).

You can get it (PC) at Canadian Tire ($200+), and at Eshine.ca (~$170 IIRC).

Good luck!
--Gabe

picus
12-17-2006, 07:51 PM
Hehe, I like the Corvette disclaimer. So true!