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Hound
11-21-2006, 10:48 PM
Went out today looking for a good place to take some pics, and found this:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0014.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0013.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0012.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0011.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0010.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0009.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0008.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0007.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0006.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0005.jpg

Im really happy with how they turned out.

3 more in the next post....

Hound
11-21-2006, 10:49 PM
The Rest:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0004.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0003.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/hound11/_MG_0002.jpg

Thanks for looking :D

craz azn
11-21-2006, 11:55 PM
BOMB!! *th-up* *th-up*

Quack
11-21-2006, 11:57 PM
did you try to climb that mound of dirt?

rodo
11-22-2006, 12:03 AM
siiick!!! already???? hahaha My mom got a 2005 pathfinder offroad edition in feb. and I still haven't taken it off roading and I'm dying to! LSD up front and back and 4wd low and all that shit. I just duno where to go

Hound
11-22-2006, 04:24 AM
seriously, come out here sometime, I know some SICK off-roading spots here. We can do a "Riding Dirty" photoshoot :D haha

Hound
11-22-2006, 04:24 AM
did you try to climb that mound of dirt?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. :D *wiggle* *angel*

Hound
11-22-2006, 04:28 AM
honestly, i love this thing to death, im going picture crazy right now, so please forgive me, as there will be more pics to follow, for now I'm gonna put them all in here, so keep an eye out in thie thread.

Eurostyle
11-22-2006, 04:39 AM
I have some "Sand Glow" yellow paint if you wanna change colour to match with Terry's truck!!! ROFL!!! Should come out with us on some of the easyer trails!
*wave*

Hound
11-22-2006, 05:00 AM
sounds good, man, PM me when you are going out, I'd love to, as long as Im free :D

as for the paint, UMMMMMM no thanks HAHAHA

E36is
11-22-2006, 08:53 AM
^^^ heh..must be nice to have daddy buy a ride like that for you to corral in..i'll be generous and give you 3 months before you pitch it into the woods.. (j/k)

dropped_E30
11-22-2006, 09:11 AM
shit i've been outta the loop....wat happened to the 530i?

edit: nevermind i saw the other thread...

T.tal
11-22-2006, 09:28 AM
Hey Hound...

I seriously hope your kiding about off roading in your folks new bimmer that hasn't even been around for a full week yet! Cuz dude that just ain't cool! Have fun with it...but show it the respect that it deserves eh! I am definetly excited to see this thing in person come dec...it better look as good as it does now!

rodo
11-22-2006, 12:06 PM
Don't tell him what to do guys, do you even know him???


Where is "out here"? :P Are these places legal or are we gona get busted? hahahha. But ya, it woudl be fun!!! I wanna get the thing really muddy, it comes with offroad tires, skidplates everywhere n stuff


http://www.kpbj.com/images/automotive/2005_Pathfinder_1710_LG.jpg

http://www.roadandtravel.com/roadtests/reviews/2005roadtests/2005carimages/05nissanpathfinder3.jpg

http://nissan.off-road.com/nissan/data/articlestandard/nissan/452005/193952/2005_pathfinder_18.jpg

bmwm5lover
11-22-2006, 12:50 PM
I could say a lot of things, but I will keep it civilized.
Please leave the X5 on the street and gravel roads where it belongs. Enjoy its refinement, great handling, acceleration, and its sophistication. Leave the trails to those that are worthy of them. It hurts me to see the X5 muddy and abused. It really wasn't made for it.

Rodo, your Pathy definitely is a decent truck, and with a good driver can go a lot of places as long as you aren't afraid of using the skidplates.
Next season you are welcome to come out with me.

///Milan
11-22-2006, 01:20 PM
Guys honestly, who are you to tell him where he can drive his car? If he wants to see if the X5 can swim and drives it off a dock, you still don't have a place to tell him. And honestly, if the X5 can't handle being in some mud, I don't think it should be on the road. Nice pics Sean.

T.tal
11-22-2006, 01:28 PM
Its not about telling him where he can drive the car...its called what normal person takes a brand new BMW off roading? Its not only about the mud...what about the stones?

E36is
11-22-2006, 01:33 PM
Guys honestly, who are you to tell him where he can drive his car?

^^ its not his car...its his daddy's..

dave328i
11-22-2006, 02:39 PM
love the vehicle

not so excited about the pictures

i dont know if you're going for artsy or whatever, but they would be much nicer if you couldn't see that warehouse/street lamps in the background. makes it look like youre in a highschool football field.

also, get some mud on that paint!!!!!! looks like you did 10km/hr.. get it dirty!!!! :D

Understated
11-22-2006, 02:44 PM
Props for not being afraid to take ur luxury suv thru mud :D (lord knows i flinch everytime i have to drive my parents SUV through a construction zone :eek: )

///Milan
11-22-2006, 03:04 PM
^^ its not his car...its his daddy's..

Yeah I know that, but I have full access to my parent's cars too - it's in his family. It's an SUV, I don't care if it's a BMW, he drove it onto a little field basically, it's not like he tried the Dakar in it. I know the X5's aren't made for liek rock crawling but their not THAT incapable. I'm sure the X5 will be ok guys.

paul christians
11-22-2006, 05:23 PM
SUVs are to used for what is for,not a city SUV............OH have fun with shit flying OK......WOW there is so many people here that say so much shit about how to drive and where to drive,it is a 4X4 is it not,he has not taken it hard core off road at all...........SEAN have fun with it man...........hehehehehehehehehe....So if it snows for 10hrs and you 8" of that,so you stay home whan you have an X5.........NO f.....king way I go and play...............OH 1 more thing it is not CR-V or any of those pieces of SHIT...........and it is not the 530 any more..........so he can play TRACK & FIELD anytime,anyplace.....................

dropped_E30
11-22-2006, 05:53 PM
Its not about telling him where he can drive the car...its called what normal person takes a brand new BMW off roading? Its not only about the mud...what about the stones?

there's stones everywhere, on streets, highways, not just the mud field he took it to...and anyway, its not like he actually tried to climb that hill :D

rodo
11-22-2006, 06:23 PM
Let him do whatever he wants, is HIS family's X5. I would offroad it too, we're not talking about climbing a 45 degree rock, just getting mud on it. Geez...


and who cares if its his family's car? God, some people on here are so dumb about shit like that. The shit I used to get about how i drive my dads 325i? who gives a **** if its my dad's! I never said it was my own, and neither did he. Why do you guys have to be so sour? Theres also some people on this site that use daddy's money but I don't see you guys giving them a hard time

DAM
11-23-2006, 12:26 AM
that is a sexy machine, and bahahaha to your avitar, i have seen it a bunch of times, but never really looked at it

Hound
11-23-2006, 06:56 AM
thank you to all that understand here. To the others, well I have no comment, let's leave it at that, cause I know that If I get into it, Im gonna say things I may regret. Simply, If you don't/can't say anthing nice, then just don't post cause you just make yourself look bad. dave328i, don't worry, once it's broken in, there will be pics of It with lots 'o mud :D hehehe, don't worry though I will wash it off :D, also I just crawled in there, so as to avoid getting mud on the paint, very little actually got on the truck, I drove super slow after so that the mud on the tires just went up into the wheel wells. Also the mud was hard packed, cause we had just had a freeze the night before.

To those who think Im being rough, come out here and see how I drive it, I am babying it just as If it were mine that I just got, infact if I had bought it myself I still would have done that, cars/trucks are ment to be driven not looked at in a bubble (cept mitch's car :P hehe)

Also just so you know, when I asked to take the truck to go take pics, I said that I might get it a bit dirty, my mom who was the one at home at that time, said "have fun, just be ready to clean it if it's bad, but just go have fun I trust you" that is word for word.

Dad got home, looked at it real quick and just smiled, saying "why did you do this when I was at work, now you have to take me out there again, too bad eh?" :D

Not like im doing shit that they don't approve of, see in my family, it's a little different, I have earned my parents respect when it comes to driving their vehicles, thus why I drive them so much, it's cause they know that I am responsible enough, that If something DOES happen, that I take care of it to the best of my ability, and at the end of the day, they are just cars, they can be replaced I can't, should something happen, like with what happened with the 5er, sure it was hard, but they knew It was not my fault and that it could have just as EASLY happened to one of them as it did to me, just how things work, driving a car is a huge risk that we all take when we get behind the wheel every day, but that shouldn't make you stay home now should it? screw that, If something is gonna happen, such is life, Im just gonna make sure that if it happens to me, I will do everything in my power to stop it, or minimize the end result.

Thats really all im gonna say, maybe my family is wierd i really couldn't care less if you think so, cause every family is different and there is really no right or wrong way to run one, what works for us may not work for you, that doesn't make it wrong.

Gamite
11-23-2006, 10:16 AM
what happened to the E60?????

R_JAY
11-23-2006, 01:00 PM
what happened to the E60?????It's in BMW heaven.
Nice truck Sean. I might be looking into one really soon.

T.tal
11-23-2006, 01:21 PM
Hey Sean,

I don't know why you feel as though you have to prove yourself to anyone on this site...people are entitled to their opinion but you don't have to explain yourself to them! Enjoy the new ride...but be careful with it…eh!

Ant118
11-23-2006, 01:23 PM
^^ OMG She's BACK. Yeah sean, sweet truck. Hey if u want to come by tonight. PHOOTSHOOT!

Mystikal
11-23-2006, 01:52 PM
I'm sorry, but I have to co-sign with what Terry is saying and go completely against what some of you have posted.

This is not an SUV. It is a unibody, raised 5-series. The AWD system is not made to handle ANY sort of off-road conditions, and doing so poses a seriously high risk of damaging the vehicle.

If you don't want to believe me, here's some information on how the xDrive system works: A multiplate clutch spilts the power bewteen the front and rear differentials, and that is where the mechanical linkage ends. From here, the power is controlled by ABS sensors, which simple apply the brakes to wheels which are losing traction. This system works fine on high-friction surfaces (namely pavement), but using it in mud or even very deep snow will very quickly overheat the brakes, and badly. This system has no sort of locking differentials or even limited slip ones. I've seen the damage done to E46 Xi's stuck in deep snow, and it's not pretty.

Sean, I'm assuming you know your family's new wagon capabilities, and just took it carefully into that mud patch for the pictures and don't intend to do any sort of real off-roading. This is more in response to the people posting that it is an SUV and it should be off-road, a completely false statement.

bmwm5lover
11-24-2006, 12:59 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to co-sign with what Terry is saying and go completely against what some of you have posted.

This is not an SUV. It is a unibody, raised 5-series. The AWD system is not made to handle ANY sort of off-road conditions, and doing so poses a seriously high risk of damaging the vehicle.

If you don't want to believe me, here's some information on how the xDrive system works: A multiplate clutch spilts the power bewteen the front and rear differentials, and that is where the mechanical linkage ends. From here, the power is controlled by ABS sensors, which simple apply the brakes to wheels which are losing traction. This system works fine on high-friction surfaces (namely pavement), but using it in mud or even very deep snow will very quickly overheat the brakes, and badly. This system has no sort of locking differentials or even limited slip ones. I've seen the damage done to E46 Xi's stuck in deep snow, and it's not pretty.

Sean, I'm assuming you know your family's new wagon capabilities, and just took it carefully into that mud patch for the pictures and don't intend to do any sort of real off-roading. This is more in response to the people posting that it is an SUV and it should be off-road, a completely false statement.
Ditto.
I merely stated that the X5 is not made for any offroading, anything past a gravel road, or a foot of snow, is past its capabilities. I was merely stating that it is a HIGH performance, raised, AWD Station wagon, which has many other qualities which are to be enjoyed(speed and so forth). It is NOT and 4WD strong machine.

I didn't mention anything about who's car it is, or whether or not Sean should be driving it, or whether or not he cares about it. It is none of my business and I don't have any right to say anything with regards to it. He is lucky that he has mom and dad to buy him such expensive things, I, as many others have to work hard for the things we own.
ANYWAY, to paraphrase, keep the X5 on the road, because IT WILL not last, it is not made or meant for that. If you want to go offroading, you are better of buying a 500$ suzuki sidekick. I will teach you to take it places that 70000H2's can't.

Cheers

paul christians
11-24-2006, 03:27 AM
BMW has a vid on how to take off road,SEAN you should post a link for this man...

Hound
11-24-2006, 06:06 AM
The intelligent all-wheel drive system xDrive delivers maximum driving dynamics and traction by distributing engine power between the front and rear axles variably and instantaneously. The central element is an electronically controlled multi-plate clutch which reacts in a split-second to any change in road conditions. The higher pressure on this clutch, the more power is transferred to the chain-driven front axle; the lower the pressure, the more distance there is between the clutch plates, and more power is transferred to the rear axle.
This variable power distribution system has a positive influence on the self-steering behaviour of the vehicle equipped with xDrive. In contrast to conventional all-wheel drive systems, xDrive uses the sensors of the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) system to constantly gather important information about the vehicle's performance, such as the rotation speed of the wheels, the angle of steering or position of the accelerator. This information is processed immediately, enabling xDrive to ascertain if your vehicle is about to over- or understeer, and it takes corrective action if necessary.
If xDrive identifies understeering on a bend, i.e. the front wheels of the vehicle are beginning to drift towards the outer edge of the bend, the system reduces the amount of power reaching the front axle and raises the amount reaching the rear wheels. If a vehicle is oversteering, i.e. it could spin around completely because the angle of steering is too acute, xDrive channels power away from the rear axle to the front axle. The result? Increased directional stability, better roadholding, more accurate steering and easy control even in extreme situations.
DSC is activated only when xDrive cannot maintain stability by itself: DSC cuts engine output and activates individual wheels as necessary. When travelling on surfaces with contrasting road-holding conditions, i.e. alternating between packed ice and loose snow, drive power is variably transferred to the axle with better traction. This ensures the best possible performance and excellent handling regardless of the prevailing conditions, and optimum control is guaranteed even on slippery surfaces

See Xdrive is a mechanical system, it just calls on DSC to gain info on what wheels are slipping, and IF need be, calls on dsc to counter what it can't, also the version of DSC on Xdrive vehicles is not the same....

as for off-roading, we had an X5 before, and let me tell you this, there was very little that We came apon that would stop it, and that was the pre-Xdrive system, which wasn't as good, I also remember a time when we had to get in a neighbourhood that was under A LOT of snow, we are talking BIG TIME ammounts, the only two vehicles that made it in AND out were the X5 and a Tahoe that had serious snows on it, X5 only had the all seasons.

Think about this too, the X5 was developed at a time when BMW owned Land Rover, that's why it has Hill decent control. Tell me this, since when do you put HDC on a vehicle that is not able to handle itself off-road? hmm? there is NEVER a time you are going to need that on the street....

Don't believe me that they can handle themself's off-road? watch this:

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Check out the X3:

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<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rY9JKEW-LK4"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rY9JKEW-LK4" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Not bad for completely stock "Lifted 5 series wagons" :D??? BTW those X5's are the 4.8is's not the 4.4's or 3.0's, and those are the tires and wheels that come stock on the vehicle....

btw, i do not believe that anywhere does it state that the X5 or X3 for that matter, share the 5 or 3 platform? where are you getting this from Jay?

Hound
11-24-2006, 06:16 AM
Some more interesting vids:

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Check out this one, right at the begining, show what she can do, nuff said:

http://www.autoclips.net/video/play/5146

bmwm5lover
11-24-2006, 10:57 AM
You can show me 10000 videos of an X5 doing things that I can do in my Volvo, and I still will not warrant it any respect in the offroad aspect.
That system is JUNK, for anything other than onroad snow, gravel roads, and the occasional mud one may encounter in a construction site on the way to soccer practice, or a business meeting.
I would like to see this thing articulate, off camber, in MUD (not 'muddy' puddles), and climbing a rock or two. Until you show me that, repeatedly, over a LONG period of time(because this system WILL grenade itself after a while, even IF it could), then maybe, I will give it 1% of credibility.
Now, those videos prove nothing, that stuff that a Rwd Jeep on bald tires can do. I can go to youtube, and show you several videos where X3's (one of which is a car TV show (with the british guy)) where the X3 is a complete JOKE in a environment, that is close to what "off roading" is.

Anyway, the point is, enjoy your car, do whatever the hell you want, but don't make a CAR do more than its supposed to.
Regards,
Terry
PS. Sean I am not fighting with you, just a heated bumsekz debate.

bmwm5lover
11-24-2006, 10:57 AM
SUVs are to used for what is for,not a city SUV............OH have fun with shit flying OK......WOW there is so many people here that say so much shit about how to drive and where to drive,it is a 4X4 is it not,he has not taken it hard core off road at all...........SEAN have fun with it man...........hehehehehehehehehe....So if it snows for 10hrs and you 8" of that,so you stay home whan you have an X5.........NO f.....king way I go and play...............OH 1 more thing it is not CR-V or any of those pieces of SHIT...........and it is not the 530 any more..........so he can play TRACK & FIELD anytime,anyplace.....................

Seriously, were you drunk?

I can't believe I missed this...

dtthiaga
11-24-2006, 11:20 AM
^

Hey Terry, you seem to know a lot about 4x4 and off-roading. I needed a larger vehicle to tow a trailer, so I bought an SUV. I was looking at a Jeep Grand Cherokee or the Chevy TrailBlazer LT 4x4. The X3, Tribute/Escape, Equnox, Vue etc donít cut it for me.

Iíve taken the Jeep Grand Cherokee in a farm mud pit; the kind where if you stepped into it, your shoes would come off. No car or wagon would have made it through there.

Would the TrailBlazer be similar to the Cherokee if I locked it in 4HI or 4LOW?
Do you have any comments on the capability of the 4x4 system on that? I would never try the stuff you do (still too nice to do that.. hee hee), but just wondering.

bmwm5lover
11-24-2006, 12:41 PM
I am by no means an expert in 4wheeling, but I have learned a lot since I left the BMW community(car wise) in favour of 4x4's.
The Grand Cherokee, is possibly one of the best SUV's out there(currently) which can take the abuse of actual four wheeling. Period. They are solid front and rear axles,providing for a great articulating vehicle from the factory. They are also much stronger, with I believe an 8.25 Chrysler outback(there are higher options available as well, not sure what you have). The 8.25 is a good axle, and semi strong. As with everything it has its weak points, but overall, for what you use it for(towing, occasional light offroading,) it will do fine.
Now, as far as the Chevy's are OK, not better than the Jeeps. Anyone that wants to do some offroading, switches out the front IFS suspension, in favour of a solid axle, and in many cases, ditches the stock transfer case, for an older dodge, jeep, or ford transfer case.
They, are just pretty town SUVs. They can be pushed, but don't expect much from them. Just like the newer yukons/suburbans, etc, they are a joke when it comes to offroad capabilites(which they should have, seeing how the old ones were decent).
The grandcherokees are still new, but give them a few years, they will be transformed into monsters, just like Cherokees.

Ant118
11-24-2006, 02:14 PM
^^ Im asking for my buddy he is looking into buying at Cherokee 1990 and wants to turn it into a bogger. His budget is 6k after he buys it. Any suggestions for him on what to get.

Hound
11-24-2006, 03:40 PM
ZOMG thread Hyjackers O NOES!!! LOL :D :P


By no means am I saying that the X5 or X3 for that matter can do what "purpose built" trucks can do, I fully admit that if I had to climb up rocks or do some DEEP mudding, the X5 is not what you'd do it it, although with some modification it can be done just fine. Remember too that your truck terry started out life just like the X5 pretty much, that is to say, luxury SUV that when needed could be taken off road, i mean you have more "off roading goodies" like transfer cases, LSD's and so on, had the X5 been given that it certainly would be much better off. All in all what I am trying to get at is, is that even though this vehicle is not a "hard core" offroader by any means, it can go where you could not go with a car or van, It has decent ground clearence for what it is, as well as a AWD system that works just as good in the mud/snow as it does on the pavement (that is to say, a fairly decent rounded out system). Would I take this if I were going to go where you took your jeep? No not without mods. Would I take it out exploring with some buddy's on a off road track that does not have obsticals like giant mud pits, rocks, fallen trees? Most definatly. Don't worry, I know what this vehicle can and can't take, and would never exceed those limits cause I respect the truck as well as the fact that If I break it, I have to figure out how im going to pay to fix it *shiner*.

PS. I actually quite enjoy "debate's" like this, I think that it's a good thing in fact, as long as It does not resort to name calling and stupid immature shit like that, it might be different if I did not know you in real life, and if I only knew you online but, I know that at the end of it, you are still a nice guy, maybe a bit "strong willed" hehe but that's all good, im like that too.

now back to the posting of pics, I think im gonna see if I can't find some Urban locations maybe this weekend and snap some shots of the truck where it spends 90% of it's life... :D haha

bmwm5lover
11-24-2006, 05:04 PM
^^ Im asking for my buddy he is looking into buying at Cherokee 1990 and wants to turn it into a bogger. His budget is 6k after he buys it. Any suggestions for him on what to get.
He should have bought mine.

Anyway, if he is looking for a trail rig only, tell him to get 4.0L, 91(HO engine), with NP231. Tell him to look for a D44(usually towing package) or atleast an 8.25 Rear axle.
He can get one for cheap, and then the possibilities are endless.
tell him to check this site out, and ask questions there.
It is a Cherokee site only.
www.soxja.org

Ant118
11-24-2006, 06:13 PM
thxs ill forward the info to him.

Mystikal
11-25-2006, 11:47 AM
The intelligent all-wheel drive system xDrive delivers maximum driving dynamics and traction by distributing engine power between the front and rear axles variably and instantaneously. The central element is an electronically controlled multi-plate clutch which reacts in a split-second to any change in road conditions. The higher pressure on this clutch, the more power is transferred to the chain-driven front axle; the lower the pressure, the more distance there is between the clutch plates, and more power is transferred to the rear axle.
This variable power distribution system has a positive influence on the self-steering behaviour of the vehicle equipped with xDrive. In contrast to conventional all-wheel drive systems, xDrive uses the sensors of the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) system to constantly gather important information about the vehicle's performance, such as the rotation speed of the wheels, the angle of steering or position of the accelerator. This information is processed immediately, enabling xDrive to ascertain if your vehicle is about to over- or understeer, and it takes corrective action if necessary.
If xDrive identifies understeering on a bend, i.e. the front wheels of the vehicle are beginning to drift towards the outer edge of the bend, the system reduces the amount of power reaching the front axle and raises the amount reaching the rear wheels. If a vehicle is oversteering, i.e. it could spin around completely because the angle of steering is too acute, xDrive channels power away from the rear axle to the front axle. The result? Increased directional stability, better roadholding, more accurate steering and easy control even in extreme situations.
DSC is activated only when xDrive cannot maintain stability by itself: DSC cuts engine output and activates individual wheels as necessary. When travelling on surfaces with contrasting road-holding conditions, i.e. alternating between packed ice and loose snow, drive power is variably transferred to the axle with better traction. This ensures the best possible performance and excellent handling regardless of the prevailing conditions, and optimum control is guaranteed even on slippery surfaces

Sean, that long spiel of PR you just posted is exactly what I said.

There is a central multiplate clutch, and some ABS sensors. There is no mechanical direction of power otherwise. If the car becomes bogged down in deep mud/snow and 3 wheels have no traction, do you know what xDrive will do? Apply those 3 brake calipers hard enough to stop the wheel from spinning, which causes the power to channel to the 1 last wheel. What happens if it takes more than a few seconds for the car to free itself, or even more likely, that 1 wheel gets stuck also? Serious brake overheating as the driver mashes the gas pedal some more.

Think about this too, the X5 was developed at a time when BMW owned Land Rover, that's why it has Hill decent control. Tell me this, since when do you put HDC on a vehicle that is not able to handle itself off-road? hmm? there is NEVER a time you are going to need that on the street....

Marketing. I see it worked on you.

Don't believe me that they can handle themself's off-road? watch this:

Not bad for completely stock "Lifted 5 series wagons" :D??? BTW those X5's are the 4.8is's not the 4.4's or 3.0's, and those are the tires and wheels that come stock on the vehicle....

The fact that they were on summer tires should tell you enough; those trails were not challenging at all. Some members here will remember a couple years back when I installed super-long coilover springs on my E30 and had ~8" of ground clearance. I managed much worse than those videos.

btw, i do not believe that anywhere does it state that the X5 or X3 for that matter, share the 5 or 3 platform? where are you getting this from Jay?

From the splash page of http://www.x5pros.com/:

"The BMW X5 was first sold in 2000. Classified as a mid-sized luxury crossover SUV, the BMW X5 is based on the BMW 5-Series E39."

bmwm5lover
11-25-2006, 02:58 PM
It is nice to see BMW's marketing works on people, and actually fools them to trully believe.

DriveItSideways
12-13-2006, 12:13 PM
The bottom line is, if you can afford to own an x5 then you can afford to maintain and fix it. Keep off roading it man! *rockout*

P.S i would like to join u guys on the easy trails with my dakota, shoot me a pm next time your going out.

paul christians
12-13-2006, 03:05 PM
So Terry your site is jeep only forum right,then why do you own a Range Rover now......I think you have said it one time before........

bmwm5lover
12-13-2006, 08:08 PM
So Terry your site is jeep only forum right,then why do you own a Range Rover now......I think you have said it one time before........
O snap. Paul you are soooo quick man... Dude...:rolleyes:
THis has nothing to do with what we were talking about. So please, hush up

paul christians
12-14-2006, 03:18 PM
W.T.F...hush-up....I know what is being talk about kid.......