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CleanE30
07-22-2006, 09:11 AM
I am getting the swap done as we speak at Bimmersport however I am not sure what are my options for the exhaust. I was thinking that a full custom SS exhaust would probably be the best way to go, however if there is any other options let me know. Recommendations for good exhaust shops are also welcome.

paul christians
07-22-2006, 09:25 AM
go full CUSTOM exhaust with header, so you can get as much out it as you can, WHY even ask this..........

Jordan
07-22-2006, 09:26 AM
Use the OBDII manifolds,downpipes,cats etc from a 96-99 M3. Have custom pipes bent from the cat section to your muffler.

ONLY good way to do it IMO. This is the way I've done it many times.

static
07-22-2006, 11:06 AM
I am getting the swap done as we speak at Bimmersport however I am not sure what are my options for the exhaust.

if it's your silver 318is with a hole instead of motor :) - i've seen it yesterday. In fact i had time to look it over and might have a pointer or two for you. (i completed my S50E30 conversion in April)

First off, don't settle for e21 booster (Charlie told me you are still looking for pan and booster). e21 booster is not enough for some people (they can't lock the brakes no matter how hard they push the pedal) Go for the ix one!

Second, Charlie told me you wanna keep the AC - bad idea. Do you have any idea about how much heavier S50 is compared to M42? how about 100lb right on the nose. If you want your car to handle: ditch the AC and buy a fiberglass hood (pm me)

Third: get an E36 steering rack in good condition or even better Z3 one (quicker steering ratio) - your old steering rack looks like the hardlines are going to bite the dust pretty soon. Besides, once the motor is in it will be VERY hard to change a rack, either you will have to pull motor out again or drop the front subframe.

Make sure your M42 cooling system can deal with S50 heat. I heard people complaining about M42 small rad not being enough after they convert to S50.

Please, take care of all rust in your engine bay before the shit goes in. You don't want it rusting away afterwards after dumping so much money in the car. (i saw a lot of bubbles on the body too, get some por-15 in silver and fix all those yourself)

If you want a good SS custom exhaust work, prepare to spend $1200++ easily. I can maybe sell you my setup if you can wait (beautiful mandrel bent SS custom work)

btw, nice wheels

Good luck
Alex

T.Dot_E30
07-22-2006, 11:24 AM
fiberglass hood (pm me)

Third: get an E36 steering rack ........ Besides, once the motor is in it will be VERY hard to change a rack, either you will have to pull motor out again or drop the front subframe.

Our racks are one of the easiest jobs to change! lol Pull the motor? You shouldn't be giving people this kind of advice, esp since you do not know whats involved.

Have you seen cars where the steering rack is between the motor and firewall, those are hard to do. Ours are right underneat and easy to get too.

You have the theory down.......but some of your practicle thinking needs work and the only way to fix that is you get experience actually working on a car.

Mystikal
07-22-2006, 12:05 PM
The wheels are nice, but buy real tires! The 195/45/16 and 215/40/16 look unhappy.

NOTORIOUS VR
07-22-2006, 12:20 PM
Second, Charlie told me you wanna keep the AC - bad idea. Do you have any idea about how much heavier S50 is compared to M42? how about 100lb right on the nose. If you want your car to handle: ditch the AC and buy a fiberglass hood (pm me)

Your kidding right?

100lbs isn't that much... and while an enthusiastic driver MIGHT feel the difference, it's not going to be as bad as you make it seem. Your basically saying the car will become a stone afterwards, but that's just not true.

If he wants to keep the AC, chances are it's not a track car.

And it's only 40 lbs hevier then an M20, and an E30 with an M20 handles just fine. On the street it'll be more then enough handling then anyone should ever push it without going to the track.

CleanE30
07-22-2006, 01:22 PM
Static - thanks for the good advice on the booster and the steering rack. I will definitively consider both.

In regards to the radiator I will be using the E36 unit so shouldn't be a problem.

The rust... well there really isn't much on the outside, that I can remember or noticed. I haven't seen the car without the engine yet so I will definitively try to take care of any rust issues.

As to the A/C it is definitively staying... track or not.

Yes, I know the exhaust will be pricey, but I think it's better to spend the money now then every 2 years for a fixer upper. Any good shop recommendations?

Mystical - what exactly do you mean "real tires" and "unhappy"???

Jordan
07-22-2006, 02:42 PM
Last S52 swapped e30 I performed was a otherwise stock car, and did 0-60 in 5.2 seconds with A/C blowing at a nice 38F.

dgmorr
07-23-2006, 01:24 AM
How much does a S50 swap usually cost on average?

static
07-23-2006, 10:00 AM
^ $6K easily, more to do it "right"
of course depends on how lucky you get with the used parts.

Trevor: i know you have stock E30 hands-on knowledge, but have you dealt with M50/S50 swapped ones?
Remember i showed you how low the oilpan sits on mine? I heard from multiple people on r3vlimited that on swapped e30's it's impossible to swap a rack without moving engine, or subframe. Granted, i have never tried it myself, but neither have you on a swapped e30 (i presume). I just give the info at hand, besides - it's easier to do the rack when everything is out anyways

CleanE30: i have seen numerous starting rustbubbles. How long do you plan on keeping the car? you should fix them all up if you plan to keep the car for long. Rust tends to spread fast, especially if you plan to drive in winter (even occasionaly)
Also, take my word, and examine the whole fuel system at the back (tank, lines...) again it's much easier to do when everything is out. I am dealing with this sht right now.

Notorious: you're right, i might have exaggerated the weight thing. For a spirited daily it should be good enough.

Alex

CleanE30
07-23-2006, 10:01 AM
Jordan - good to hear that, I am getting very excited about the car... can't wait.

dgmorr - talk to Bruce (TEMP here on max) he can help you with whatever you need. Very good guy to work with and very flexible.

Jordan
07-23-2006, 10:27 AM
Jordan - good to hear that, I am getting very excited about the car... can't wait.

Keep in mind you are swapping a S50 in. My 2.8L m20 powered e30 outran a S50 powered e30 M3. Not by much, talking walking away less then a car length, but just the same...

OBDI S52 has alot more hp/tq and a fatter power band then a S50.

CleanE30
07-24-2006, 06:26 AM
Not after I supercharge it... :D

Just joking... for now it will be stock.

Thanks for the positive feedback.

So does anyone have any good exhaust shop recomendations that can do mendral piping??



Keep in mind you are swapping a S50 in. My 2.8L m20 powered e30 outran a S50 powered e30 M3. Not by much, talking walking away less then a car length, but just the same...

OBDI S52 has alot more hp/tq and a fatter power band then a S50.

e30_kid89
07-24-2006, 07:33 AM
^^^what he said.....:)

Mystikal
07-24-2006, 06:04 PM
Mystical - what exactly do you mean "real tires" and "unhappy"???

Stretched and undersized tires look terrible. The wheels are 16x7 and 16x8, I'd at least get 205/50 and 225/45.

Then again, it's your car. Ignore my comments.

CleanE30
07-24-2006, 09:29 PM
Mystical - actually you are incorrect the tires that are on those rims are meant for the size of the rims that they are on. They may look stretched to you but in actuality the tires are 10mm wider (actualy usable surface of the tire) then the rims. You should do some research before you make a statment...

CleanE30
07-24-2006, 10:12 PM
Ok, I have decided that I am going with a custom setup however which is a nice sounding muffler that you guys would recommend. I don't want anything too loud, but nice deep sounding and it does have to be large diamter since the supercharger thing will happend eventually.

Jordan
07-24-2006, 10:15 PM
Mystical - actually you are incorrect the tires that are on those rims are meant for the size of the rims that they are on. They may look stretched to you but in actuality the tires are 10mm wider (actualy usable surface of the tire) then the rims. You should do some research before you make a statment...motion to ban.

Quack
07-24-2006, 10:36 PM
Mystical - actually you are incorrect the tires that are on those rims are meant for the size of the rims that they are on. They may look stretched to you but in actuality the tires are 10mm wider (actualy usable surface of the tire) then the rims. You should do some research before you make a statment...

oh man that's too much :D Jay are you going to take that

CleanE30
07-24-2006, 10:44 PM
Not that Jay is not a knowledgeable guy, but... he is wrong in this case.
In which case I don't quite understand the sarcastic remarks...:confused:

Chris de la Cruz
07-24-2006, 10:45 PM
Mystical - actually you are incorrect the tires that are on those rims are meant for the size of the rims that they are on. They may look stretched to you but in actuality the tires are 10mm wider (actualy usable surface of the tire) then the rims. You should do some research before you make a statment...

uh oh...

Quack
07-24-2006, 10:59 PM
Not that Jay is not a knowledgeable guy, but... he is wrong in this case.
In which case I don't quite understand the sarcastic remarks...:confused:


well I don't know where you got your info from but a 16x7 rim should have 205/50 tire on a E30, a 16x8 rim should have a 225 or 235 wide tire if it would fit, you can even check on Tirerack for recommanded tire sizing

CleanE30
07-25-2006, 06:21 AM
Quack - from the manufacturer - you should check Toyo website for the recommended range of rim width for my tires (Toyo T1R)...

CleanE30
07-25-2006, 06:22 AM
Anyone has recommendations for the muffler???

Quack
07-25-2006, 07:08 AM
Quack - from the manufacturer - you should check Toyo website for the recommended range of rim width for my tires (Toyo T1R)...


that's where you got your info from, they give a huge range rim size for your tire size, not very accurate at all, I wouldn't use that chart.

here's the example from Toyo if anyone is interested http://www.toyocanada.com/products/sizes.asp?Sizes=T1R&Data+Request=Get+Data

e30_kid89
07-25-2006, 08:52 AM
wow jay must be pissed...:D he still hasnt come back he must be buying some more tires and rims to calm his anger*shiner*

static
07-25-2006, 09:42 AM
CleanE30, not a very good attitude for a new guy, esspecially that we are all trying to help you here.
Jay (Mystikal) knows more about BMW specific wheels and tires than most folks in BMW community.
I saw your wheels and tires do look stretched (fronts), it looks ok to me but wait till you touch a curb and bend the rim (no tire sidewall protection)

keep in mind that maxbimmer is one of those mature forums where people with wrong attitude are not welcome

Axxe
07-25-2006, 10:24 AM
The wheels are nice, but buy real tires! The 195/45/16 and 215/40/16 look unhappy.


Holy shit! Stretched and undersized, and staggered!! Add a big "rear bar" to get rid of understeer *sad*

CleanE30
07-25-2006, 05:22 PM
LOL ... "new guy" ...

What attitude... the attitude is actually coming from most of you... all I asked is about exhaust... this is just too funny.