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330ci05
07-19-2006, 07:31 PM
what do u guys think of these tires?/


i'm planning to get 245/40/17 front and 255/40/17 rear


http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/reifenbestellen.pl?typ=R-129710&dsco=35



i like how they look :D

Quack
07-19-2006, 07:33 PM
wow weird tread pattern

330ci05
07-19-2006, 07:37 PM
yeah i like the way they LOOK *love* *love* just dunno if they are any good

Karim@Corner73
07-19-2006, 07:57 PM
I have them on my E46. My brother just bought a set for his car.

I highly recommend them.

I think they are among the best non-R-compounds tires you can get for the money.

Quiet. Super sticky. Cheap.

The only problem is that they will wear out quickly because of the soft sticky rubber.

Go for it. *th-up*

330ci05
07-19-2006, 11:00 PM
the toyo's r comp are just a lil bit more then these, i was thinking of getting those, but can i drive them daily, in the summer that is, my car is stored in the winter anyways...

Mystikal
07-20-2006, 12:54 AM
Incredible tires.

I'm just waiting on Falken to finally introduce the 225/50/15 fitment to throw out my current (new) tires. FWIW I ran them in 205/50/15 on another set of wheels and was blown away by their performance.

Quack
07-20-2006, 01:05 AM
Jay are these the tires that you had that look like they were bald?

Mystikal
07-20-2006, 01:28 AM
Those were the old version of them, the RT-215. And yeah, it was funny having strangers tell me I need new tires when they were a week old.

330ci05
07-20-2006, 08:21 AM
yeah they look like they are bold... i wish they had 235/45/17 but they don't :( so i have to order 245 for the front and 255 for the rear... i swap my stock 245's fromt the back to the front and my 225's from the front to the back to see if the 245's would rub and they don't :D:D:D but i get no traction with the facken 225's :( lol my beast has tooo much power lol :D :D

static
07-20-2006, 09:58 AM
Jay, how do you compare those with Hankook RS2's ? I hear that the RT-615's wear quite fast

330ci05
07-20-2006, 11:02 AM
Those were the old version of them, the RT-215. And yeah, it was funny having strangers tell me I need new tires when they were a week old.


the RT615 are out of stock, they got the RT215, should i get those? what other cheaper tire is good?

thanx from tires-easy.com ??/ thanx i'm loooking for 245/40 or 45/17 and 255/40/17 thanx

Karim@Corner73
07-20-2006, 11:36 AM
the toyo's r comp are just a lil bit more then these, i was thinking of getting those, but can i drive them daily, in the summer that is, my car is stored in the winter anyways...



What Toyo's are you talking about exactly? The T1R's?

I don't think driving on R-compound tires on the street is a good idea. They will wear very quickly. You CAN, but what's the point? You won't use all the potential of the tire unless you are an irresponsible driver.

Even on the track, R-comp are not recommended for novice drivers.

The RT615 (or a set of Hankook ventus Z212) are the best choice for street tires in my opinion. Plus it is hard to beat that price.

330ci05
07-20-2006, 12:00 PM
What Toyo's are you talking about exactly? The T1R's?

I don't think driving on R-compound tires on the street is a good idea. They will wear very quickly. You CAN, but what's the point? You won't use all the potential of the tire unless you are an irresponsible driver.

Even on the track, R-comp are not recommended for novice drivers.

The RT615 (or a set of Hankook ventus Z212) are the best choice for street tires in my opinion. Plus it is hard to beat that price.


they are out of the RT615 , i'll try the Hankook ventus Z212 since i really need tires :D

where did u get ur RT615 from?

330ci05
07-20-2006, 01:27 PM
the PROXES RA-1 are r compound right?

what about the T1R ???

rafiki
07-20-2006, 01:52 PM
RA-1 is the R compound tire. T1R is the replacement for the T1S - street tire.

STALKER
07-20-2006, 03:43 PM
Yoko Advan Neova. Super sticky. But not cheap tire.

static
07-20-2006, 04:40 PM
try tires23.com - great place with awesome prices (they have both Hankooks and Falkens)

STALKER
07-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Another thing to note, is that tires of like these are more "square", so they might be a bit wider then average high performance tires, so take that into account when going up in size.

Mystikal
07-20-2006, 06:31 PM
Jay, how do you compare those with Hankook RS2's ? I hear that the RT-615's wear quite fast

The Falkens are faster in the wet AND dry, and have stiffer sidewalls. Overall, a more aggressive tire. The downsides are less hydroplaning resistance (less void area in the tread) and a stiffer ride. Yes, they also wear a bit quicker.

Mystikal
07-20-2006, 06:32 PM
the RT615 are out of stock, they got the RT215, should i get those? what other cheaper tire is good?

thanx from tires-easy.com ??/ thanx i'm loooking for 245/40 or 45/17 and 255/40/17 thanx

Get the RT-615. Lots of places have them in stock.

Mystikal
07-20-2006, 06:33 PM
Yoko Advan Neova. Super sticky. But not cheap tire.

Both the Falken RT-215 and RT-615 are faster, which shocked me. With the huge price difference, I don't think I'd ever get the Neova's.

330ci05
07-20-2006, 06:54 PM
Get the RT-615. Lots of places have them in stock.


where can i find them in the US, since it's way cheaper there.. thanx

330ci05
07-20-2006, 07:06 PM
what do u guys think of Kumho ECSTA MX ???? would 235/45/17 and 255/40/17 be a good combo to get ???

STALKER
07-20-2006, 08:24 PM
Both the Falken RT-215 and RT-615 are faster, which shocked me. With the huge price difference, I don't think I'd ever get the Neova's.
from personal experience?
Don't forget to take things like ride, wear, rain, comfort into account too. But the Yokos are $$$$.

Mystikal
07-20-2006, 10:15 PM
US sources for RT-615:
http://www.vulcantire.com/
http://www.edgeracing.com/
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/

Canadian, if you may:
http://www.1010tires.com/
http://www.tiretrends.com/

For local, PTM our sponsor does really great Falken prices (I actually bought some ZE-512's from them before they were even a sponsor).

Pej, there was an in-depth comparison in Grassroots Motorsports (the SCCA mag) of the RT-615, RT-215, Neova, Z212, MX, and KD. In both dry and wet they placed in the order I just mentioned them (auto-x times, champion Solo II drivers behind the wheels). Everything besides steering response and dry/wet traction mean very little to me, hence why I said *I* would never pay for Neovas. Not saying they may be the better tire for other people, but for me I know what I'm really interested in. :)

330ci05, the MXs are dated now, and are much less capable than the other tires mentioned here. They're also downright scary in the wet.

330ci05
07-20-2006, 10:57 PM
US sources for RT-615:
http://www.vulcantire.com/
http://www.edgeracing.com/
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/
.


thanx... the first place is 537 shipped to buffalo, the second is 556 shipped to buffalo and the third is 584 shipped to buffalo, but only the third place has them both(235/40/17 and 255/40/17) in stock the others dont :(

STALKER
07-20-2006, 11:03 PM
US sources for RT-615:
http://www.vulcantire.com/
http://www.edgeracing.com/
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/

Canadian, if you may:
http://www.1010tires.com/
http://www.tiretrends.com/

For local, PTM our sponsor does really great Falken prices (I actually bought some ZE-512's from them before they were even a sponsor).

Pej, there was an in-depth comparison in Grassroots Motorsports (the SCCA mag) of the RT-615, RT-215, Neova, Z212, MX, and KD. In both dry and wet they placed in the order I just mentioned them (auto-x times, champion Solo II drivers behind the wheels). Everything besides steering response and dry/wet traction mean very little to me, hence why I said *I* would never pay for Neovas. Not saying they may be the better tire for other people, but for me I know what I'm really interested in. :)

330ci05, the MXs are dated now, and are much less capable than the other tires mentioned here. They're also downright scary in the wet.
I check it out, thanks for the links.

Axxe
07-21-2006, 03:42 AM
BTW, GRM is a great mag.

STALKER
07-21-2006, 08:04 PM
I might give these a try if I don't get Toyo RA-1.

Mystikal
07-21-2006, 08:14 PM
I went and got the results for ya, Pej:

1. Falken Azenis RT-615 ------- 42.984
2. Falken Azenis RT-215 ------- 43.254
3. Yokohama Advan Neova ----- 43.287
4. Hankook R-S2 Z212 --------- 43.511
5. Kuhmo ECSTA MX ----------- 43.762
6. BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD -- 43.855

330ci05
07-21-2006, 09:06 PM
i guess i'm stuck with the Kuhmo ECSTA MX, since my stupid rims are too small to fit 245 or even 235 of the RT615's. so ill get the MX since they are cheap and good till i get better rims /:D

STALKER
07-22-2006, 03:24 AM
I went and got the results for ya, Pej:

1. Falken Azenis RT-615 ------- 42.984
2. Falken Azenis RT-215 ------- 43.254
3. Yokohama Advan Neova ----- 43.287
4. Hankook R-S2 Z212 --------- 43.511
5. Kuhmo ECSTA MX ----------- 43.762
6. BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD -- 43.855
Im guessing those are the lap times? Road coarse or auto X. I might have to slap these on my track rims, not sure if I want to get R compound tires just yet.

Mystikal
07-22-2006, 12:55 PM
i guess i'm stuck with the Kuhmo ECSTA MX, since my stupid rims are too small to fit 245 or even 235 of the RT615's. so ill get the MX since they are cheap and good till i get better rims /:D

You can run 235/40/17 on the M68's. Don't worry, I guarantee it will mount and drive 100% fine.

Im guessing those are the lap times? Road coarse or auto X. I might have to slap these on my track rims, not sure if I want to get R compound tires just yet.

Auto-x times.

STALKER
07-22-2006, 03:47 PM
You can run 235/40/17 on the M68's. Don't worry, I guarantee it will mount and drive 100% fine.



Auto-x times.
I was checking around, they are by no means cheap tires. 4x265/35/18 still come to about $900USD.

Axxe
07-22-2006, 11:18 PM
Pej, what do you expect to pay for a size like that? $200 for a set? Comon man, they aren't 205/50R15's.

STALKER
07-23-2006, 01:09 AM
Pej, what do you expect to pay for a size like that? $200 for a set? Comon man, they aren't 205/50R15's.
Well they are suppose to be a good value, Neovas are only like $250-$300 more and that is a very pricey tire.

330ci05
07-23-2006, 02:09 AM
You can run 235/40/17 on the M68's. Don't worry, I guarantee it will mount and drive 100% fine.



Auto-x times.


i went on the site and i need atleast a 8' rim to fit the 235's :( and i got a 7.5 :(:(

330ci05
07-23-2006, 12:58 PM
will it be okay if i go from 225/45/17 to 235/40/17 for the fronts? is it okay if i drop to 40 profile in the front like in the rear? or should i stay with 45 profile in the front and 40 in the rear?

330ci05
07-24-2006, 03:00 PM
well i finally orderd tires, 235/45/17 front and 255/40/17 rear of KUMHO ECSTA MX :D can't wait to get them, either friday or monday :D ....i also orderd myself a nice soccer ball too *th-up* US has soo much better stuff and cheaper*th-up* *th-up*

Mystikal
07-24-2006, 07:06 PM
You bought oversized tires. Look up at how tire sizes work.

Also, take it really easy in the rain. MX's don't like any moisture.

Karim@Corner73
07-24-2006, 07:24 PM
A guy was running MX's at our track event saturday (rainy afternoon sessions). The tires were holding up pretty good.

I think they will be fine for wet street driving. Just don't think you are superman and you'll be fine.

330ci05
07-24-2006, 08:48 PM
You bought oversized tires. Look up at how tire sizes work.

Also, take it really easy in the rain. MX's don't like any moisture.


how are they oversized?

STALKER
07-24-2006, 09:08 PM
how are they oversized?
I think you would have been better off going with Hankook then the MX tires. The Hankooks are cheaper and they have better dry grip.

330ci05
07-24-2006, 09:12 PM
I think you would have been better off going with Hankook then the MX tires. The Hankooks are cheaper and they have better dry grip.


i paid 495 shipped for all 4... what does mystikal mean by oversized?

STALKER
07-24-2006, 09:21 PM
I think he means they might be too big.

330ci05
07-24-2006, 09:46 PM
I think he means they might be too big.


i'm sure they will fit....

Bob Loblaw
07-24-2006, 09:48 PM
Those were the old version of them, the RT-215. And yeah, it was funny having strangers tell me I need new tires when they were a week old.

I got that too... From a mechanic. *shiner*


what does mystikal mean by oversized?

Compare the size of your stock tires with the sizes of your new tires:

Tire Size Calculator (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html)

STALKER
07-24-2006, 10:16 PM
I would have just tried to get the front bigger, and leave the rear, get close to a non staggered set up.

330ci05
07-24-2006, 10:36 PM
I would have just tried to get the front bigger, and leave the rear, get close to a non staggered set up.


i wanted 245's front but my rims is too small and i don have time to look for 2 x 8.5 m68 rims since my tires are really bold.. i'll try these out for now and see what happens, maybe lighter rims next year :D

Mystikal
07-25-2006, 12:27 PM
I would have just tried to get the front bigger, and leave the rear, get close to a non staggered set up.

Same here. 235 and 245 would have been better, E46s without staggered tires understeer enough as it is (there's one in the garage, I'm not making this up).

And BTW, your tire sizes aren't oversized enough to cause an issue, I just don't like the idea of going any bigger than stock due to acceleration differences, though you won't notice after a week or so.

330ci05
07-25-2006, 03:56 PM
Same here. 235 and 245 would have been better, E46s without staggered tires understeer enough as it is (there's one in the garage, I'm not making this up).

And BTW, your tire sizes aren't oversized enough to cause an issue, I just don't like the idea of going any bigger than stock due to acceleration differences, though you won't notice after a week or so.

it will slow it down :(

330ci05
07-25-2006, 04:23 PM
i went to see the tire diff and it isn't much....

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c38/bmw330ci05/245-255.gif


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c38/bmw330ci05/225-235.gif

330ci05
07-25-2006, 04:26 PM
Is the spedometer the only lil problem I would have, or is there goin to be some performance losses too... i got a 330 and i can't afford any performance loss hehehe

craz azn
08-06-2006, 03:14 PM
Anyone know whens the prime for these tires??? Like are they best when they are new? or half worn? or almost bald???

STALKER
08-07-2006, 07:14 PM
No tire is great out of the "box". Most non R compound tires are not at their optimal when they are almost bald either, as they are not designed that way, unlike R compounds as they usually get faster.

Mystikal
08-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Anyone know whens the prime for these tires??? Like are they best when they are new? or half worn? or almost bald???

Shaved to 4/32nds or so is the consensus. Worn to 4/32nds isn't the same thing, mind you (the significant heat-cycling to get to that point while wearing on the car negates the benefits of shorter tread).

I'd say anything past break-in to 3/32nds or so would be prime. These things are only 8/32nds new, they don't have much tread squirm at full-depth.

PedroBMW
08-09-2006, 01:06 AM
I was talking to a guy at the track the other day who was running these tires, he was wetting them down after every run because he said once they would get too hot they stunk. he said as long as he could keep the temp under control they were really good.

TheMadChigga
08-09-2006, 11:42 AM
useless note, the Falken 451 uses same compound as 615 when you are at 2/32

Mystikal
08-10-2006, 10:34 PM
Actually, 451's were the same at RT-215's. Shaved 245/35/17 451's were a badass setup for smaller cars.

craz azn
09-13-2006, 11:31 PM
So, after one track weekend on these tires, I am highly in love with these. I thought they seemed to be pretty much comparable to the T1Rs, but factor in the cars having different suspension setups and what not, couldnt tell ya 100% but I liked these more. For the price difference, I dont see how the T1Rs are such a big deal. I would buy another set of these.

I was holding my own with my little e30 w/Azenis VS others with much more experience and car (ex. e46s w R comps, etc..) not a shabby tire IMO at all.

So ya, decent in the rain, awesome in dry. Will buy another set. The end. :)